(Methiopropamine) For studying.

[Policethepolice?]

I've been investigating methipropamine as a study drug, so far it seems leagues above ritalin in that it gives no comedown, or other aftereffects. About the same 6 hour duration too. Shame it's completely unresearched, but having used it 6/7 days last week there seem to be no noticeable aftereffects, which is always a good sign.

Have used between 30-70mg/day in the last week, and have settled on 35mg +15mg as great for 5+ hours of solid theory work, followed by 3-4 hours of still increased attentiveness.

35mg typically comes up within 20-30 minutes, providing an ideal level of stimulation until t+2, after which it begins to tail off, the effects are not particularly noticeable after t+4 but effects do seem to remain until around t+6. Taking after a large meal seems to reduce the effect by about 25% but doubled the effective time, removing the need to redose.

Redosing twice (35+20+15 and 25+15+20) seems to cause stomach discomfort resembling trapped air. Neither MJ or anything else seems to shake it, but it is relatively minor.

Not much appetite supression at this level, no need to eat but perfectly able to, no need to snack as I work like I normally do to excess. There does seem to be a certain amount of mild time dilation, in that I am not particularly aware of the passing of time and am unable to guess it nearly as well as normal.
All ROAs oral, measured with a decent lab balance.

Male, 65kg, 2m+ tall

 

[InvisibleEye]

I can't find much info on methiopropamine, it seems like it just hit the market.
BTW, what was the ROA?

 

[blue_bomber]

I had 400mg of MPA the other day (mixed with 250mg mdai). I was expecting a hellish comedown from the MPA due to the dosage but it never happened. Apart from an irregular heart beat for a few days it was all good, nothing like the comedown from that amount of MDPV or similar stims.

 

[Policethepolice?]

Sorry, taken orally, edited that in along with height/weight/gender.

It's been around since December, I was originally dubious about the thiophene ring, but since no-one reported any problems with it and the price dropped, I thought I'd give it a go.

It lacks euphoria and the like almost completely, which is why I think it really hasn't taken off, but that's part of what makes it such an excellent study drug. Pretty much all it does is wakes you up and focuses you.

 

[jackie jones]

This is the type of report I like to see. Very concise. Keep us posted.

 

[snafu]

For studying, how would you say this matches up with adderall?

 

[snafu]

Wikipedia says this:

"Health risks are totally unknown in any animal due to lack of interest from the pharmaceutical industry and recent introduction to recreational users."

 

[✝SLAVERY✝]

Shame it's completely unresearched, but having used it 6/7 days last week there seem to be no noticeable aftereffects, which is always a good sign.

Wouldn't count on it. Just because you can't "sense" neurotoxicity doesn't mean it isn't occuring.

 

[Policethepolice?]

For studying, how would you say this matches up with adderall?

I've not used adderall, so I couldn't directly compare it, however, it seems similar to the good parts of 2-DPMP 5mg (no euphoria but good drive to study), obviously differing in duration significantly, and comparable to ritalin 20mg, but as I say, none of the side-effects (significant fatigue, dehydration).

Wikipedia says this:

"Health risks are totally unknown in any animal due to lack of interest from the pharmaceutical industry and recent introduction to recreational users."

You pays your money, you takes your chances. As far as my use is concerned, this is the only downside. MDMA, LSD, 2C-E etc all started life this way, it seems a shame to dismiss learning about it because we don't know anything about it.

Wouldn't count on it. Just because you can't "sense" neurotoxicity doesn't mean it isn't occuring.

Quite right, hence why I said "a good sign" instead of it's "safe". Again, I'm aware that I'm taking a risk by trying something relatively new, but I am happy with that.

 

[snafu]

You pays your money, you takes your chances. As far as my use is concerned, this is the only downside. MDMA, LSD, 2C-E etc all started life this way, it seems a shame to dismiss learning about it because we don't know anything about it.

Nowhere did I mention dismissing learning about it. It should be further researched.

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

Try predosing fresh ginger (make tea/lemonade tea or just eat the root) and taking digestive enzyme blends before and during use for stomach cramps/issues/nausea. Ginger has a powerful enzyme in it to held digestion.

I think the problem with drugs and the gut is related to what the drugs induce the gut itself to produce during the drug's time of effect, and that the body normally does not have to deal with it so it is "unprepared" to rid of whatever gas bubbles or anything else that manifest themselves... unless you are lucky enough to have a super stomach (not me).

I'll be checking this one out myself too... I can always use help with work. =)

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

Yep this one is pretty good for work. I've been at it all morning and afternoon... a small bit of stimulation, but not too much.

 

[donalduck]

Can somewhere compare it with adderall?

 

[clubberdude]

This stuff is excellent for working to - even several hours after a small dose, i'm able to focus much better than without the MPA. That said, the Aniracetam taken this evening may also play a part...

 

[InvisibleEye]

Thanks for the heads up. This world lacks 'smooth' stimulants, lol.

 

[kingme]

I had 400mg of MPA the other day (mixed with 250mg mdai). I was expecting a hellish comedown from the MPA due to the dosage but it never happened. Apart from an irregular heart beat for a few days it was all good, nothing like the comedown from that amount of MDPV or similar stims.

i wouldnt say irregular heart beats for a few days are nothing...

glad to hear mpa is a clean stim though, at least in this experience. ive seen it mixed in pellets with various others, not many reports of it alone.

 

[Ruination]

(excuse the possible english mistakes - also I am not able to give precise dosages since I don't have any scale ; refer to what the other bluelighters said)

At low doses: Increased alertness, Able to focus on one precise thing or many at once, social enhancer. Pupils may be slightly dilated but nothing shocking. Heartbeat a little bit increased.

At higher doses: Same as above but increased. Increased heartbeat isn't annoying. When redosing a lot of times, pupils may get highly dilated depending on the person (it happened to me to get it fully dilated without feeling too much effect). Jaw clenching, I've seen worse, it's not too annoying but it's definitely there. Euphoria, not as weak as some people say. Great music appreciation, and a very pleasant tickling sensation in the whole body. Still able to focus on one thing and to "seem normal" to other people.

Be warned that there's a great urge to redose, sometimes you feel like it's going down for a couple minutes when it's just going to continue.
Stimulation will often last 4 hours with still a little bit of increased alertness for 2 more hours. At high doses it happened to me to remain very stimulated even 8 hours after.
Sleeping isn't hard once the main stimulation ended, eating isn't hard. Biggest con to me: sex is Impossible during the stimulation, I never could get it hard even though I was very excited. How frustrating.

So after many days of use I don't have any particular side effect to report. No comedown, no nose bleeding, but a probably related headache after ~2 consecutive days of high doses. Nothing to write home about

 

[Ruination]

Also, am I the only one who felt like it was necessary to take a piss every 15 minutes even without drinking that much ? It's kind of annoying

 

[spephspeph]

Also, am I the only one who felt like it was necessary to take a piss every 15 minutes even without drinking that much ? It's kind of annoying

I had that last night....I was using it to help me write an essay. Snorting and putting in my drinks.
Constantly needed the toilet. I was being careful of what I drank, fruit & barley water, milk, orange and mango juice, cup of tea.
I'm sure I was pissing out more than I was taking in. One piss lasted nearly 5 minutes. Revolting.

 

[Muddy Benson]

I realy agree that this is a wicked study/work/performance aid, there's no distractons with it, it is cheap and doesn't seem to be addictive.

I bought some around about when it first hit the 'stores' back in Dec10, I think i must've made it through 6/7 grams since then, sometimes in a binge type deal with other chems, weed is enhanced very nicely, mdai used to come in a combi and it's rather complimentary, maybe a little too enjoyable(I have been through best part of a g of mpa in one sit and that did make me a very wary, not happened since), other times it's been as a motivational aid, say for instance; if I can't be arsed to get up one day, I lay in bed, drop a little, bout enough to cover the very tip of a key into a rizla (don't have to touch it or think about it or even taste it) and suddenly i have enthusiasm and energy for the day ahead. I have noticed however that my heart beat is very irratic and mild insomnia keeps me awake all hours, messing my body clock right up!

Is anyone else experiencing restlessness? for sometimes days at a time? I tried using for 4/5 days at a time but by the end of the week I was haggard, I use roughly 1 maybe 2 days a week.. Oh and when I run out, It's not even a big deal, that being said, I'm alot more productive when I have some to fall back on Can't say I've had the pissing prob :s Used to get that with pills tho :3