Mental Health Methamphetamine in place of adderall

[EcHo EcHo]

I've been taking adderall since 1999, I first tried it when I found it in my step mom's medicine cabinet - it was my little sisters. 10mg once a day and I took it 10 - 15 times (if that much). Then I got my own script.
20 mg twice a day for almost 2 1/2 years. I stole a stack of prescription slips from my drs office to rewrite the script for 30mg twice a day and after breaking my ankle, and my conscience telling me not to do it, I handed them back to my dr and told him not to give me adderall ever again. He looked surprised, I confessed to what I'd done and asked him to do what he thought was best (legally).
I didn't take adderall again until 2008 or so. 20mg twice a day.

I first tried meth in 2001, smoking or inhaling it, about 40 times (both combined or separately) and then stopped. In 2002, walking instead of driving (oh at the number of places a drug user calls home when they're young), and used then about 150-300 times (this could be way off - been so long ago I don't remember).

Now, at the age of 42, I'm using adderall (30 mg xr's ) and it takes so much to be effective that studying aquaponics and learning medical and herbal treatments to, in part, replace all this drug stuff with that I'm using meth for the first time to study. I don't like meth any longer, especially with the added chemical side effects plus not being able to take the lowest possible dose, as well as it being illegal (but I know I won't be using it forever, only while studying).
From September of 2010 until July of 2012, distraught after my wife's death, I began IV use that ended using 7.5g over a week long period.
I started using again very very heavily after losing my daughter(2015) although I couldn't tell you how much every month (cost was less than 1/3 of what I paid in 2012).
I truly picked up using the end of summer 2016 after sleeping over a year (forthemost part), and used heavily until spring 2019 - after falling out of a tree. I started using again 0-2 times a month summer of 2020. I don't want it in my life any longer, as it's just not good for the body, mind, spirit, or life in one's own vital sign.

However, after 2 1/2 years of prayer I'm studying aquaponics along with medicinal and herbal creation.
I don't want to buy this off the street, and I'd be able to say my dr would give me a script, however I brought it up to him years ago when I Googled methamphetamine hcl and learned that it's made in a pill form, desoxyn. My dr told me a new patient came in and asked for it one day, "I kindly told him no and sent him on his way."

30Mg adderall xr 2× day, but taking 1-15 a day to manage depression/seeking euphoric escape/need to move around and live(ADHD) , my tolerance (aka brain cells?) has gotten higher over my times of use over 23 years. Especially with methamphetamine use(DEFINITELY FROM IV USE) for 5 1/2 years.


I don't recommend using amphetamines unless absolutely necessary and I'll never recommend breaking the law, however the, "war on drugs," as it's called here in the US is not separate from the law and fear has been the only teacher. Unless it's someone on a show about prisoners scaring kids with the truth or a spoken biography told by the actor that lived it. If the war were separate from the law (on the civil side) then everyone that sells or uses would have somewhere to turn. Kids would stop becoming addicts, dealers would stop feeling the need to carry guns, officers would fell less stress, which leads to sanctity of life and joins us as a people. This is harm reduction, responsibility, and how governments mature and grow. Racial Ideation would become a problem left in our past, but only if continue to teach it through time

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Wow. I'm surprised you're not deeper in, considering the extent of your use.

15 times 30 is 450mg. That's a quite dangerous dose for the ol' neurons. 60mg is generally thought to be safe. I mean, can you keep it to 60mg or less? If not, then treatment is your best option. I've heard of a modafinil/mirtazapine/buprorpion combination taking away meth cravings. Maybe ask yor doctor about it? I think it goes without saying that you need to use a lot less, or not at all, hmm?

If you're asking if street meth is a good substitute for adderall use, 99% of us will say no.

 

[n3ophy7e]

Hey mate, firstly, I am really sorry to hear about losing your wife and daughter.

Adderall is really not meant to be used as an antidepressant, even though it can provide temporary relief from the symptoms of depression (as you know).

Have you ever discussed your mental health with your doctor, or seen a therapist, or tried any antidepressants? Considering the immense loss and grief you've been through, it is possible that you would benefit from antidepressant medication and some therapy RATHER THAN any further self-medication with amphetamines.

But to answer your actual question, no I absolutely would not condone using street meth in place of prescription adderall. In fact I wouldn't suggest desoxyn in place of adderall either. I can't think of a case in which this would be preferable. Aside from never fully knowing quality or strength of street meth, depending on which country you live in, meth laced with fentanyl is increasingly becoming a problem which means you can fatally overdose.

I do understand you wanting relief though, from both your depression and your ADHD. But street meth is not the answer to this. I think you need to have a really good honest chat with your doctor and work together to find a safe and legal solution.

 

[dalpat077]

And so the saga continues and rears its head again (in reference to the thread topic). And for the record: I deleted my Meth. thread the other day (wasn't going to go anywhere and too much sharing on my part).

But that obviously hasn't stopped me from keeping an eye on things here on the topic.

I've noticed something (and which anybody can confirm for themselves with a quick search of the forums):

Within ten minutes I can come up with Meth. posts where people have started micro-dosing and have had almost instant relief from depression and there's probably more than one that notes that "they got their lives back" whereas before they started the shit they were pretty fucked and just didn't have the motivation nor the energy to try pull themselves out of the depression (and in one or two cases out of the suicidal) endless loop which feeds on itself.

Within the same ten minutes I can come up with at least twenty posts where the usual suspect anti-depressants and alternate treatments have not worked and only prolonged the daily agony and if not that has made things even worse. And this aside from my personal experience(s) of late with anti-fucking-depressants. If you ask me: right there is as big of a ripoff and worthy of conspiracies insofar as big pharma. churning shit out just to make money and keep people in the fold as it were.

And I have a sneaky suspicion that our friend with all of the Meth. shit posting (a*****7) has resulted in a knee jerk reaction to this issue in spite of his including links to valid studies and papers (on the topic of neurogenesis etc. most all of which I've been able to verify independently of his posts and links much to my surprise I'll tell you).

So, and obviously going against the grain here, the OP gotta do what the OP gotta do. Otherwise it's not going to end well (although that's arguable and debatable i.e. depends on your defintition of "well"). And there's a cost factor involved too i.e. prescription (anything) Adderall vs. street Meth. no? And if it gets to the using just to get blasted well then that's on the individual. Shit happens. Not like anybody is not aware of the potential pitfalls. Certainly not if they've been a member here for a while.

 

[FallenOne86]

Do doctors still prescribe amphetamines to people who have ADHD? By the way do they do studies for adults to see if you had ADHD or are they trying to stop prescribing amphetamines because it works for some of us and I’d hate to go back to street meth and self medicate with that because it’s all been bunk shit thanks to stupid careless illegals not knowing how to cook the shit properly!

 

[n3ophy7e]

And I have a sneaky suspicion that our friend with all of the Meth. shit posting (a*****7) has resulted in a knee jerk reaction to this issue in spite of his including links to valid studies and papers (on the topic of neurogenesis etc. most all of which I've been able to verify independently of his posts and links much to my surprise I'll tell you).

Hehehe I knew his name would pop up at some point.
To be perfectly honest, my opinion on the subject would be exactly the same despite his shit-posting and troublesome behaviour.

 

[negrogesic]

Methamphetamine is generally inferior to dextroamphetamine in the treatment of ADHD. At low doses it has an antidepressant effect that dextroamphetamine doesn't quite have (both have antidepressant properties), but the quality of focus is worse. It is significant more reinforcing, although I'd actually wager to say that up to the 10-20mg threshold dextroamphetamine is perhaps more reinforcing than dextromethamphetamine, after which dextromethamphetamine becomes more reinforcing. This is because the adrenergic nature of dextroamphetamine gives it more clearly perceptible effects at the low dose range.

In anycase, methamphetamine is more toxic and less effective in the treatment of ADHD. More importantly attempts to therapeutically use methamphetamine almost never turn out well.

 

[arrall]

Sorry to hear about your wife and daughter man. I'm a near-daily prescription dextroamphetamine user (10-30mg/day), but I don't have much to add beyond @negrogesic's excellent answer:

Methamphetamine is generally inferior to dextroamphetamine in the treatment of ADHD. At low doses it has an antidepressant effect that dextroamphetamine doesn't quite have (both have antidepressant properties), but the quality of focus is worse. It is significant more reinforcing, although I'd actually wager to say that up to the 10-20mg threshold dextroamphetamine is perhaps more reinforcing than dextromethamphetamine, after which dextromethamphetamine becomes more reinforcing. This is because the adrenergic nature of dextroamphetamine gives it more clearly perceptible effects at the low dose range.

In anycase, methamphetamine is more toxic and less effective in the treatment of ADHD. More importantly attempts to therapeutically use methamphetamine almost never turn out well.

The main suggestion I would have is to consider trying something to reduce your amphetamine tolerance if you're really having trouble getting an effect from amphetamine due to past meth use. Start with the safer solutions like 200mg of Magnesium Glycinate/Bisglycinate and 20-30mg of Zinc Glycinate/Bisglycinate daily. If you don't notice a big difference after taking both of those for a month or so, it could be worth trying something more active and experimental like low-dose Memantine. Legality-permitting of course, but it is gray-market in most countries. Memantine is not completely safe and can have noticeable side effects, so exercise caution and do your own research. Just try to find a way to make standard amphetamines work for you at therapeutic dosages (≤ 30-40mg/day) and stay off the methamphetamine.