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Opioids Methadone and Herion, question, in a sense regarding withdrawal.

Sick-Boy

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Though I post sparingly I'm likely not too familiar here, so to update the most recent and then lead into my question:

After finally giving up the literal greatest love and lover of my life Heroin, with Suboxone being a toy to at first make it easier to use and switch between the two, only to not have as much covered as my Heroin boosted heavy, decided to go on Methadone as a means of really getting clean, finding the only Clinic that allowed me to stay on all my medications, didn't have a ceiling dose (though at first they bring you to 60) and let you stay on the Methadone as long as you so care for, many staying on it the rest of their life I being one of such a person.)
People can use any illegal drug and not kicked out even Heroin, some even come to the place nodding, but they're not allowed take home bottles until at least 3 months of clean urine. Then one, and another one every extra three months, occasionally though they expect so much of you inside and to come within specific times no matter what, many take their time when assigning take homes, as it needs to go through numerous people. Fortunately my counselor seems driven to get me take homes. (And though curious with Heroin twice, it's highly doubtful I'll get tested within the time frame to see if I was using. Two days by tomorrow and I didn't use too much.

By the time of 1 year and 3-6 months I'll be able to reach my highest take home level, needing only go once a week, no longer have to go to the once a week group unless I want to, (thus having Saturday off giving me a full weekend, taking the normal 3 hours out of my day. And still up dosages when needed, (daytime Doctor only ups you 10 MG once a week if asked, night/Evening time I heard ups you as much as you want, starting you off with +20) Going to him if I can hold out tomorrow until 3 or so tomorrow. As you'll soon see why.

Any way, even though most of the cravings are quelled, I get a damn good feeling from mixing all the meds together to the point it feels like a Heroin buzz minus the shooting rush (making me look for legal yet still pleasantly or relaxing drugs to help with that. And am going to see if I can luck out with the family Doctor and get the last of my desired drugs (and the only one I don't need, Soma.)
I still used Dope twice, the first after my first urine in a month, once I only used two bags. I felt their effects pretty close to what they normally would be, then upped myself another 10 on Methadone in two days, though I didn't really feel any discomfort.

Two days ago I decided I'd get 6 bags of Dope for the hell of it. Didn't have heavy cravings, knew eventually it would lead to it but wanted to see how it all interacts and how high I'll get.
It was the weekend, had my extra bottle they give you for Sunday.
I assumed I'd use it over the course of the absence of the Methadone in my system, which was for around an extra 12 hours of the norm, bringing it to around 36 before until my next Methadone Dosage.
Felt good, I enjoyed the break and return to my old high, used less than would normally had been with the case of Heroin. (As I'd usually at least go through 10 bags of the same potent stuff in one night.)
So after waiting 7 hours for the last 1 1/2 bags of Dope to be more so out of myself reasonably, I drank my Bottle of Methadone, which felt quite pleasant.

However something quite unfortunate happened, by the morning I woke up early and didn't feel the greatest, it wouldn't be for another 8-12 hours I'd be feeling like straight hell, but I wasn't off to a good start. Usually my Methadone would easily keep me good at the very least 30 hours before discomfort of such a kind.
I went to my clinic and got upped from 70 to 80 today, the night before took my Methadone which would have been around 12 hours earlier than usual. (Meaning I felt uncomfortable within 12 hours, rather than the full on 30, and know by 24 I'd really be feeling ill.)

My question to the group is; though I know it will only be another day's wait, but, even though I'm feeling quite nice now, do you think my levels are back and balanced enough to last me comfortably until tomorrow.
If not and I feel some discomfort, would one other dose with the half life likely boost me to where I need to be?
Tomorrow I hope to tough it out even if everything seems to be going fine, and see the "evening Doctor" (the two rotate days,) who gets in around 2-3pm a good 6 hours past my normal dose, though from what I've been told he ups daily if so asked, to not need a weeks wait, will likely up me another 20 MG to start and keep upping me 10 every day, or sometimes every other day until I feel balanced. Then I plan to add another 20 once I feel fully straight (which for me would probably bring me from feeling really nice and balanced, as I've talked to some folks who have been on it a while and said once they reached a little higher than their right dose, they were feeling buzzes, this person being at 110, me being at just now 80, am going to aim at most 130 for now, so if I feel good and mellowed nice with the various other legal drugs in my arsenal, I should really be set, and it would then lessen cravings even more and take care of getting high off Heroin for 36-40 some odd hours. From what I've heard from someone who seemed quite knowledgeable, there are different forms of Methadone, and this one is a weaker form, thus at one point during an emergency (the needed to switch clinics, from their for around a week he was taken to a Clinic with Methadone (of such a technical name it escapes my knowledge) had him so messed up he said he needed it lowered there for him to even concentrate. So what might be 80 here may be 60 or even 50 on a higher form of Methadone.
Ours is a clear liquid, of a medicinal natural tastes slightly bitter, but I love it's taste as I've grown to love the taste of any Medicine, as I usually affiliate it with highs. (Thus when I was on Ativan, (now switched to Klonopin thankfully) with it's sweet sugary binder, I would put a little bit of benadryl into the mix just to keep it bitter.

Anyway, I digress, it would seem my plan to have the Heroin act as my bridge to Methadone dosage for a day backfired. And considering I took my first take home "Dose" 12 hours later, got dosed 12 hours early with an extra 10 MG added today, I wanted to know if I can likely expect to be even again, perhaps need another day, or even need to up my dosage another consistently to keep things running smoothy.
Either way, if I can handle the 5-6 hour wait, even if feeling fine I'll give it another few kicks up. Even though my usage of Heroin was more a mixture of nostalgia, and being board, this will make it less a form of craving (even early on) and making sure it is not as easy to get high, or as high from, but still useful if ever something such as the clinic is iced over and not open without any means of giving patients their Methadone (has happened before as I've been told.)
Thus when the time comes and I have a number of take home bottles, I won't be rushing out every few days to get more dope.

Thanks folks, long read, but I have a habit of such natures.
 
Ah, sorry, I have a habit of posts being quite mixed up when in certain states, especially when in a bit of a panic, so I do apologize.

Basically over the weekend I didn't take my weekly "take home bottle" when I should have, waiting 36 hours before I actually did.
Within that time I unfortunately was curious and thought that by taking 6 bags of Heroin over that course would be as good as dosing to some degree, and thus allow me to put off my Methadone (then being at 70 MG at the time.)
When I was done my little binge I waited another 6 hours or so, then took my Methadone dose, something that would usually hold me a good 30 hours. However only within 12 I wasn't feeling comfortable.
I saw the Doctor there Yesterday and was upped 10 MG, and then took my dosage (the dosage being technically 12 hours sooner than usual.)
This brings me to now, around 21 hours later I again started feeling unconformable, and woke up. There is another Doctor that comes in today around 3 (Far too long a wait at the moment) who is much more liberal with his dosage upgrades, and I was hoping to see him. I know I wouldn't be able to wait that long.

Regardless, I wanted to know if, now at 80 (no longer 70) and back getting Dosed during the times I normally would.
If I can expect the half life to properly build up enough for me to no longer have such early withdrawal, and to expect tomorrow to be much more comfortable, (considering I've been able to go an extra 11 hours, I certainly hope so. Unless the main key was upping another 10 MG, and thus what I'll need.)

Sorry for the jumbled post, hope this one was better. Now between any insight here, and waiting tomorrow, I'll just have to see what's to happened.

Regardless, the Evening Doctor comes in on Thursdays as well, if I can hold off until 3 then, I'll go and get upped a few MG (He'll usually start with an extra 20MG that day, then up you another 10 for three or so days. Which sounds great, as it would make the feelings of Heroin much harder to feel, and the Methadone potency to be increased. Being at that Dosage seems to be the sweet spot for many clients, who say they not only always feel comfortable, they get a perpetual buzz.
But I digress.
Thanks, and sorry for my previous horribly put together post...
Off to the Clinic now.
 
just a few words of advice, me myself I was going throo gear like it was going out of fashion,diconal,temazepam,morphine,palfium, heroin,temgesic being the drug of choice, was taking 4x7.5mgs in every hit 4 times a day, plus whatever else was there, after many years o injecting in arms,legs,groin n even neck I knew wid need to do something or would die very quick, so methadone was my saving grace! but am on a stable dose of 150mls oral green coloured 1mg/1ml mixture,its syrupy so cant be injected,there are those who have tried but fk ur veins very quickly so DONT!! my dose is taken 1st thing in the morning as soon as waken up 6.30am, get script twice weekly take home thats me down from 300mls per day with loads of accompanied psyc meds. look at the strength of your methadone as here in Scotland we get green,brown,blue and yellow coloured so beware
 
Sounds like it might do you well to straighten up a little bit, or at the very least talk to the clinic people - a doctor, or friends you have on the inside who are in a similar situation - about what's going on, because I for one am not really sure what you're talking about. Like is your motive, in the long run, to get high, or to get clean? I can't even tell :/

You can obviously keep doing what you're doing if you want but it might be easier just to follow whatever plan they have for you instead of trying to do weird calculations of how high you can get before getting caught. I mean I understand you're fiending but like... What are you at this clinic for, to get high off anything but heroin? Because it sounds like you do have some serious addiction problems besides heroin, too, right now. If that's not bothering you, fine, but if you want to get cleaner, you might have to be a bit harder on yourself, and actually NEED this change instead of half-heartedly wanting it.

Hope this is more helpful than discouraging *hug* lol I know I sound kinda tough but I'm genuinely a little worried for ya :\ feel free to message me whenever if you need friendly support (though I can't help you with the calculations, honestly not really sure what you're up to lol. ) Good luck!
 
Ah, sorry, I have a habit of posts being quite mixed up when in certain states, especially when in a bit of a panic, so I do apologize.

Basically over the weekend I didn't take my weekly "take home bottle" when I should have, waiting 36 hours before I actually did.
Within that time I unfortunately was curious and thought that by taking 6 bags of Heroin over that course would be as good as dosing to some degree, and thus allow me to put off my Methadone (then being at 70 MG at the time.)
When I was done my little binge I waited another 6 hours or so, then took my Methadone dose, something that would usually hold me a good 30 hours. However only within 12 I wasn't feeling comfortable.
I saw the Doctor there Yesterday and was upped 10 MG, and then took my dosage (the dosage being technically 12 hours sooner than usual.)
This brings me to now, around 21 hours later I again started feeling unconformable, and woke up. There is another Doctor that comes in today around 3 (Far too long a wait at the moment) who is much more liberal with his dosage upgrades, and I was hoping to see him. I know I wouldn't be able to wait that long.

Regardless, I wanted to know if, now at 80 (no longer 70) and back getting Dosed during the times I normally would.
If I can expect the half life to properly build up enough for me to no longer have such early withdrawal, and to expect tomorrow to be much more comfortable, (considering I've been able to go an extra 11 hours, I certainly hope so. Unless the main key was upping another 10 MG, and thus what I'll need.)

Sorry for the jumbled post, hope this one was better. Now between any insight here, and waiting tomorrow, I'll just have to see what's to happened.

Regardless, the Evening Doctor comes in on Thursdays as well, if I can hold off until 3 then, I'll go and get upped a few MG (He'll usually start with an extra 20MG that day, then up you another 10 for three or so days. Which sounds great, as it would make the feelings of Heroin much harder to feel, and the Methadone potency to be increased. Being at that Dosage seems to be the sweet spot for many clients, who say they not only always feel comfortable, they get a perpetual buzz.
But I digress.
Thanks, and sorry for my previous horribly put together post...
Off to the Clinic now.
your methadone dose lasts 36hrs so doing other opiods like heroin should have no affect as your receptors are already loaded with your methadone and also meth is continous its all adding everytime you take your dose! I take my dose 1st thing in the morning 150mls of 1mg/1ml physeptone - methadones generic name here in my village in Scotland and its green in colour to show its non injectable well supposedely I know peeps who have tried and vein damage is certain. methadone ampoules are for injecting both im and for iv use.
 
Interesting indeed how it seemed to completely mess up the rhythm, making me start to withdrawal earlier, I have a few assumptions, but still not really sure, I see my counselor tomorrow, so if I'm not back to feeling A-OK I'll talk to him and see if perhaps the Doc would give me one last 10mg raise. (which is usually just a once a week thing.)
As for it's color, it's naturally clear, they add green colored water to it to make it harder to inject. It's not thick either way though.

And Pup, in honesty, if Heroin maintenance was in America, I'd be on it, I love the feeling of getting high on Opiates. And do naturally get high off the Methadone, a nice strong buzz and personally I have no moral objections to it. I'm in favor of it. The reason I'm getting off Heroin is it was too damn problematic, too much money, the withdrawal was horrible but it was the cravings that got me. And I'm not one to be clean and sober, far from the AA/NA kind of guy.
The reason I went back to Heroin over the weekend was more out of curiosity then anything, and I've learned my lesson not to go back until the damn stuff is a form of maintenance, legal and about 50 cents a bag, or I become a millionaire. As I'm just fine riding the Methadone Buzz.

A key difference here is, on Heroin I had goals, but I didn't care to achieve them, before Heroin I had no real hope for future as I deal with Schizophrenia, and for around 5 years I just gave up before starting to get better, with a natural shift in perception. And though it might sound like bullocks, I've found more help with the Drugs that get you high, than the psyche meds that did nothing more than gain me weight (all came off when I got off them.) I've been on such type drugs since 7 and though I never got a high, I never saw help from them either.
Heroin gave me a period to retract inside myself and feel no pain, (Aside when off it) what I've lived through on it, and the experience itself brought me to where I need to be now, much more healthy with the help of the Methadone, no longer worrying about Heroin being the dominating force in my life.
Now with the Methadone, while I get a nice lovely Opiate buzz, and can make use of my legal Benzo's (within the realm prescribed which is enough for me, been on them over 10 years, only thing that stopped the heavy Anxiety during psychosis, could bring me down enough to ease the psychosis, the rage that resulted later on from all the fear I once had transferring into another direction, sleep problems, etc.) Now I feel great all over (Aside from this brief problem over the weekend which I hope is fixing itself.)
Despite the buzz I've never been this productive in my life, I am working on getting numerous goals accomplished, putting 4-14 hours a day toward these goals, (with a nice Buzz the whole time) and as is the case with many I've talked to on Methadone, even though they still feel damn good, they're not worried about having to get their fix, and are working toward their goals as well.
(Well not everyone, some do Dope and the Methadone all the time, and I can't blame them due to the way it feels, others just don't give a fuck go get it and do whatever, and finally, I'm on the path toward getting that which I've wanted to do for so long done. Now I just need a good Girlfriend and I'll be set!)

Thanks everyone, I suppose tomorrow I'll see if I'm good to go or if I might be able to luck out and get one more 10 MG uppage, as the Doc himself said needing a higher Dose is normal at times when you first start. About done my first month 1/2. Glad this one lets you stay on it the rest of your life if you want, and allows all prescription meds with it, and won't even kick you out for dirty urine (but don't plan on getting a take home any time soon. And though the curiosity got me the last time, not the craving, I'm not risking even messing with Dope once a month after a urine. I'm content now on Methadone. Crazy as it sounds, I do miss the whole ritual of shooting up though.)

Anyway, need some sleep for tomorrow. Thanks folks.
 
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