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smallengine01

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So i was just wondering if anyone has had this same, or similar thing happen to them.
Got on Methadone to get off H, its worked, but now im shooting coke on a regular basis. 8o
Strangely enough the clinic doesnt care that much about coke, but they'll kick you off the fucking program if you show up w benzos too many times.
Just wondering if this is a common thing, I've heard it was (coke on the done).. Thoughts?
 
I'm not sure how common it is, but they're probably more concerned about the benzos because they don't want people accidentally ODing. Benzos + methadone is way way more dangerous than come + methadone.

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I believe methadone was 'designed' to be used for those addicted to opiates as it prevents withdrawal and it allows someone to get off the streets and have the chance to have a normal life. It has a lot to do with physical dependence as it helps with the cravings for any sort of opiates too, like heroin or strong meds. I have used it myself for almost 8 years and all of those who were on MMT or using Suboxone as a treatment were pretty related to opiates intake also because it prevents you to feel all the pain we have when we quit these type of drug.

I have never seen Methadone being used for Coke addiction. And I feel that you risk to develop another addition, with a strong physical dependence. I have used Coke for many years when I was younger and occasionally later in life and what really helped me to come off of it was the use of benzodiazepines such as Valium (Diazepam) because of the longer half life.

I would personally suggest that you'd try benzos maybe together with an antidepressant for a period of time rather than starting with something powerful that could trigger another sort of addiction with a very different type of withdrawal.
 
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I can relate to the methadone plus benzo combination. I was started on methadone which managed to stop my illicit opiate (heroin) use but I gained another addiction whereby I stated substituting heroin with benzodiazepines. It greatly potentiated the effects of both methadone and benzos when I used them together. This is extremely common so I can understand why your clinic is quite strict with benzodiazepine use. Also they are both CNS depressents so that combination can be dangerous if taken at substantial quantities.

I would imagine that many people also gain or continue other addictions be it cocaine, crack cocaine, benzos, alcohol and others when started on methadone. Yes it helps people to stop using opiates but it does not deal with the underlying psychological addiction problem. That takes a lot of work that is definitely beyond the scope of just once a day consumption of your dose of methadone and involves a lot of self-analysis and introspection to deal with the issues that caused you to start using in the first place. I wish you the best of luck!
 
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I agree with elvis_wears_nikes as well. Starting on methadone treat one addiction (opiats) but if you don't combine the methadone with rehab treatment you will just add one or several new drugs/addictions on top of the methadone and thus you are in an even worse position than before you started as you are now addicted to methadone and the new drugs, where as before you were only addicted to one drug.

So starting on Methadone Substitution Treatment really requires will power, therapy/rehab and hopefully a support system like family or friends because you need to address what ever issue drove you to addiction in the first place. You need to stick to the methadone only and remove the addictive behaviors and thought systems with and add some better coping mechanisms than taking drugs.

And actually finding these coping mechanisms and start to live by them takes A LOT of time and a lot of therapy. You will never get completely rid of your addictive thought system (addictive cognition you might say) but you need to add new defense and coping mechanisms so you can handle whatever it is that you could not handle before without turning back to the addictive behavior. So methadone treatment can save a persons life BUT it can also "just" be free opiats and then you start abusing new drugs because you now have free money that you used on opiats before but now you buy cocaine or something else and thus ending in poly drug abuse.
 
But how would methadone help OP to deal with his Coke addiction? Even if OP does everything accordingly he'd still be using methadone which is not really appropriate when dealing with an addiction of Cocaine. My point is, with or without methadone - he needs to stop using Coke. Now if methadone would help I'd say go ahead and try not to stay too long using methadone, but that is not the case, it does not help OP to cope with that situation, so why would it be applicable?

Why would you even worry about trying to get into a routine and discipline if that doesn't relate to Cocaine as far as I can understand. It would be as if you'd take any other drugs with discipline so that you are distracted enough not to think of own addiction. That doesn't seem to get the job done as OP would continue to have an addiction to coke that is not being addressed.

From my perspective, if you have an addiction to Cocaine, deal with this addiction, don't start a new one. Go to a rehab house or do it by yourself, I know it's difficult but it's totally possible and so many people have gone through this and succeeded, you'll just be one more person to get away from the psychological cravings and addition from Coke, in the same way someone else would get away from drinking.

You need to focus on your current addiction, shooting coke would not be resolved by taking methadone. That's for something else, you need to realize that the cocaine use is not good for you and quit it before you get into an accident. It's common among coke shooters to shoot up one dose after another. That is what you would need to focus right now. And I know you can do this. Trying something else involving other drugs would be counterproductive to me.

It does seem right to start a treatment with methadone if your problem right now is not being able to quit shooting up Cocaine.
Regardless if methadone is easy or difficult to come off of. By the end of the day you'd still have to deal with your Cocaine habit. Methadone does not prevent you from using Coke.

I think you need to get sober for few days and rethink about what is out of control right now, what are your priorities and what is it that you can't handle. Then try to think how could you make this work, are you really wishing to get away from your current situation. Because deep inside you know you that's the one thing you one to do and I'm pretty sure you can do this. People stop doing drugs everyday, I often say that if I did it anyone can.

Wish you the best of luck!
 
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smallengine01 said:
So i was just wondering if anyone has had this same, or similar thing happen to them.
Got on Methadone to get off H, its worked, but now im shooting coke on a regular basis. 8o
Strangely enough the clinic doesnt care that much about coke, but they'll kick you off the fucking program if you show up w benzos too many times.
Just wondering if this is a common thing, I've heard it was (coke on the done).. Thoughts?
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Were you expecting to get lectured? I actually read your post saying you are on methadone to get off H. Yes I have known people who did coke on it. They'd use a couple of days then clean up for their pee test (I'm in Canada). These people already had a cocaine addiction before starting methadone. They still give the methadone to people who pee dirty, they just don't get "carries" (a week of take home methadone). Don't know about the benzos as friends didn't use them.
 
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. However - I thought I'd relate my experience with cocaine and MMT:

So - basically I've been addicted to opiates for MANY years and have been on regular methadone maintenance for the last 2 years (with various other bouts of suboxone or methadone in the past). I generally still use heroin every day as well as the methadone.

Anyhow, I've never been huge on cocaine, but I did at least use to enjoy it. The last three or four times I've tried it (probably spaced at least 4-5 months between each try), I've found it has produced basically no pleasant effect. With the exception perhaps of the very-initial (first 30 seconds or so) rush when IV'n. But basically, it's like the opioid addiction has just destroyed he ability to feel pleasure from cocaine. I inject it, if I inject enough - especially if mixed with the gear - I can get a nice "rush" for a minute or so. But then I just experience about 40 minutes of racing thoughts and anxiety - which is basically cocaine, objectively - but there's *supposed* to be an accompanying sense of euphoria, well-being and even a feeling of being in control and feeling slightly arrogant and clever - smug even.

But nope.. All I get now is intense anxiety, not even slightly pleasurable. Even having sex I just feel totally anxious.

Basically - for whatever reason, the coke seems totally ruined.

Now - you could obviously put it down to shit coke. And, I live in Melbourne, Australia and we have notoriously terrible coke. However, it's definitely coke - even if it may be low-grade - although, apparently it isn't low-grade. The main point regarding quality though is this: At least 10 other people I know have used this same coke on each occasion and felt intensely pleasurably experiences; akin to regular cocaine experience, as it should be basically. However, my wife and I (he opioid habit being the same as mine) just experience a rush, followed by racing, anxious thoughts and a terrible feeling in the body and mind!

On the plus side - no real come-down to speak of and fine for whatever the next day. Still though - rated 1/10; definitely avoiding coke in the future.



Also - curiously, if I inject methamphetamine (and due to previous addiction, I've only done this a couple times in the last decade) - I still enjoy an insanely pleasureable rush from IV - followed by at least 10 hours of feeling fucking fantastic. So, methamphetamines aren't ruined for me; just cocaine!!
 
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