Methadone and bodybuilding

Higherfocus420

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I'm on a methadone script but have started going the gym again with my mate I've lost a lot of muscle and weight will my script affect my gains significantly and make it hard to gain or lose weight I know that opiates affect your testosterone levels
 
Higherfocus420 said:
I'm on a methadone script but have started going the gym again with my mate I've lost a lot of muscle and weight will my script affect my gains significantly and make it hard to gain or lose weight I know that opiates affect your testosterone levels
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Yes it will lower your test and make it harder to gain.

Still a great healing activity. I did amateur bodybuilding on methadone for years. Definitely needed to juice once I was taking it seriously
 
RedRum OG said:
Yes it will lower your test and make it harder to gain.

Still a great healing activity. I did amateur bodybuilding on methadone for years. Definitely needed to juice once I was taking it seriously
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Exactly what this guy said also. Methadone tanks your test worse than any other drug. Consider it anti-testosterone. I remember i couldnt even get off to porn for months at one point.


Maybe think about switching from methadone to suboxone which doesn't affect T levels, or perhaps get on TRT and slowly say fuck the other bullshit like I did...
 
RedRum OG said:
Yes it will lower your test and make it harder to gain.

Still a great healing activity. I did amateur bodybuilding on methadone for years. Definitely needed to juice once I was taking it seriously
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So I will still be able to build muscle on a low taper dose will just be harder
 
Higherfocus420 said:
So I will still be able to build muscle on a low taper dose will just be harder
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It really depends. I never regained proper test levels after kicking my heroin habit. Even after being natty and lifting hard for a year. So was 22 so youth was on my side too
 
Lifting weights was instrumental to me getting off of methadone. As I was tapering I was lifting hard and heavy and was able to both gain muscle and lose fat. And i believe the exercise itself helped me mentally.

Exercise seems to have analgesic effects, which seemed to help take the focus off of my aching bones. That said, I had to soak in a tub everyday to help with those methadone bone aches.
 
negrogesic said:
Lifting weights was instrumental to me getting off of methadone. As I was tapering I was lifting hard and heavy and was able to both gain muscle and lose fat. And i believe the exercise itself helped me mentally.

Exercise seems to have analgesic effects, which seemed to help take the focus off of my aching bones. That said, I had to soak in a tub everyday to help with those methadone bone aches.
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So I won't becoming arnnie but will surely start to look like I did when I was a into fitness and body building all the time just at a slower pace and be harder I'm only on 40 ml ATM so it's low
 
chicken hoagie said:
Maybe think about switching from methadone to suboxone which doesn't affect T levels, or perhaps get on TRT and slowly say fuck the other bullshit like I did...
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Buprenorphine affects T levels. It also fucks up metabolism even more so than some “classic” opiods.

I won’t make a thread for this but will just post it here.

In my case I have problem I’m often in too much pain to work out without opiods. So a balance between smoking a joint and taking something like paracetamol and doing nothing physically and getting proper pain-relief and working out and eventually improving my pain via that but not getting strongly addicted to opiods is a hard road to go..

I do get muscle gains on opiods but it’s definitely a lot slower than without them.

If/when day comes I find a pain relief medicine that works properly but isn’t opiod I’m throwing a party.

Taking anabolic steroids in my case.. I’m sure in the beginning it would feel perfect but as years would pass I would probably regret I even started but who knows. There’s a lot of breakthroughs in this field so who knows what all will be available in years and decades to come.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
Buprenorphine affects T levels. It also fucks up metabolism even more so than some “classic” opiods.

I won’t make a thread for this but will just post it here.

In my case I have problem I’m often in too much pain to work out without opiods. So a balance between smoking a joint and taking something like paracetamol and doing nothing physically and getting proper pain-relief and working out and eventually improving my pain via that but not getting strongly addicted to opiods is a hard road to go..

I do get muscle gains on opiods but it’s definitely a lot slower than without them.

If/when day comes I find a pain relief medicine that works properly but isn’t opiod I’m throwing a party.

Taking anabolic steroids in my case.. I’m sure in the beginning it would feel perfect but as years would pass I would probably regret I even started but who knows. There’s a lot of breakthroughs in this field so who knows what all will be available in years and decades to come.
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Please provide a reference to the research regarding suboxone affecting T levels. If it does, it is negligible compared to any full agonist opioid.
 
Yeah, I'd say methadone has a much more profound impact on hormones and metabolism than buprenorphine.

Methadone even made me fat, which is very uncharacteristic for me. It made food taste really good and gave me a ravenous appetite. Granted I was maintained on 380mg/day, so it so made me take naps during the day (which is also extremely uncharacteristic of me - I never take naps nor am i able to)

But it all evaporated when I quit it and began lifting heavy. It did leave me with a touch of gyno though. That never seemed to completely go away but its very slight.
 
negrogesic said:
Lifting weights was instrumental to me getting off of methadone. As I was tapering I was lifting hard and heavy and was able to both gain muscle and lose fat. And i believe the exercise itself helped me mentally.

Exercise seems to have analgesic effects, which seemed to help take the focus off of my aching bones. That said, I had to soak in a tub everyday to help with those methadone bone aches.
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Soaking in a HOT bath tub is amazingly effective at eliminating any discomfort from opioid withdrawal

half a Clonidine, Valium 10mg, and some good Indica, slip into a hot bath and melt into comfort, 100% pure relief

it’s sick how uncomfortable you feel in opioid withdrawal, cold achy bones, sore muscles, runny nose, chills, hot & cold flashes, wet underwear from creepy cold sweat, ugh….absolutely disgusting
 
Im on morphine and have no trouble gaining muscle. I gained about 15 or 20lbs of muscle this year so thats not bad. Im not dependant on it though i take breaks now. But even when i was taking 150mg's a day i could still gain muscle.

Do you take it for opiate addiction or pain? I would get your test levels checked before you do anything really. But switching meds could definetely help for sure
 
I gained a lot of muscle when i was taking modafinil,tramadol,alprazolam. This made me energetic, less sensitive to pain, i was able to lift more while on opioids than without them...
 
If you were previously into lifting weights and have now detrained and lost muscle, you should be able to gain what you lost back pretty quickly and easily regardless of methadone due to your increased myonuclei.

When you gain muscle, you get more myonuclei to support the extra muscle fibers, these nuclei stick around even after losing the fibers and they're able to quickly ramp up transcription of the muscular machinery more quickly than someone without
 
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someguyontheinternet said:
If you were previously into lofting weights and have now detrained and lost muscle, you should be able to gain what you lost back pretty quickly and easily regardless of methadone due to your increased myonuclei.

When you gain muscle, you get more myonuclei to support the extra muscle fibers, these nuclei stick around even after losing the fibers and they're able to quickly ramp up transcription of the muscular machinery more quickly than someone without
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It's refreshing to see someone who knows a bit about physiology.

Basically as long as those myocytes are around (I think cell life for them is like 5-10yrs if memory serves right), then all those additional nuclei are there from the previous satellite cell recruitment.
 
For me personally, Buprenorphine has a greater damaging effect of natural testosterone production... Dont get me wrong Methadone does the same thing but Buprenorphine really turned me into a skinny junkie.
I pretty much just don't think about sex on either buprenorphine or methadone.
 
chicken hoagie said:
Exactly what this guy said also. Methadone tanks your test worse than any other drug. Consider it anti-testosterone. I remember i couldnt even get off to porn for months at one point.


Maybe think about switching from methadone to suboxone which doesn't affect T levels, or perhaps get on TRT and slowly say fuck the other bullshit like I did...
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Old post but Subs will absolutely still nerf your test, just not quite as badly

Different strokes for different folks and all but going from methadone to buprenorphine is a step in the right direction sobriety wise a lot more-so than the opposite


To the OP: Look, bodybuilding on all this stuff is do-able obviously, but it’s still a negative factor. The guy on stage next to you probably isn’t gonna be on it, and it’ll be to his advantage

Work on fully getting opioids out of your life if you want max growth.

And no, you won’t be able to out-drug the negatives. They still screw with your kidneys and make you hold water
 
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jayyss said:
For me personally, Buprenorphine has a greater damaging effect of natural testosterone production... Dont get me wrong Methadone does the same thing but Buprenorphine really turned me into a skinny junkie.
I pretty much just don't think about sex on either buprenorphine or methadone.
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Do you have bloodwork results to substantiate this?

If you’re just going strictly based off your libido at the time, there are multifaceted effects of other hormones that play into it, and even dopamine and serotonin believe it or not. DHT is primarily responsible. Total test is useless as balls on a dildo if it’s bound to SHGB

I’m not calling you a liar or an idiot or anything; just pointing out that the medical literature and peer reviewed studies generally show the exact opposite of this; that it’s buprenorphine that has less of an impact on hormones than not only methadone, but actually most of all other opioid agonists like heroin and morphine as well
 
Serotonin101 said:
It's refreshing to see someone who knows a bit about physiology.

Basically as long as those myocytes are around (I think cell life for them is like 5-10yrs if memory serves right), then all those additional nuclei are there from the previous satellite cell recruitment.
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Im glad you still post here

You were still a green little newbie asking about your first cycle back when I was around like 10 years ago in these parts
 
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