Stimulants meth is just an evil thing

[justchillin123]

whats happening people,
im new to this site so im saying hi to fellow bluelighters.
i feel like wrighting down some notes on this bastard drug for those who are looking at trying it and everyone else. leave me a reply if you've got any tips.

currently im still heavily in the meth addiction hole. Man what a stupid decision it was to give this thing a go but curiosity killed the cat i guess. I always loved drugs and having a buzz so i was always up for trying things. My first time on this shit was so damm good i knew i had to get some again and then things went from there. meth gives me a long heavy peak for hours and i cant resist that, it makes me feel like the best person in the world.
This thing is now part of my life and i cud never say I want to give up even though i see how it fucks my life. That high makes everything else not as important.
I cant say i want out of this meth hole because i love it to damm much but at the same time I would like too and from previous drugs i was always succesful if i really wanted to quit but this stuff i dont know its too good to stop.
If your reading this and havnt touched the shit then take it from me and stay far away from it, how do i go about whats happening....
thanks for your time and drop me a reply if you wanna share something

 

[kokomo]

no drug is evil as u described, its the ppl who make teh drugs evil

 

[justchillin123]

yeh mate i agree with you there and that goes with all drugs but this stuff is different but your lucky you have no experience with it.

 

[kokomo]

its no different then others

no offense but its ur fault that u got addicted

if u fuck wit drugs u gotta prep urself for its consequences

im addicted to downers & opioids and im cool wit it. i luv heroin, morphine i luv klonopin etc etc etc among many others

and i definitely cool wit it cuz i knew wut would happen if i start doing them

dont blame the drugs

 

[justchillin123]

mate im exactly the same but i know that its all my fault but thats not why i started this thread. Id like some input from anyone that had meth in their life and how you dealt with things. The idea of quitting is in my head but right now i cant say i would want to actually quit, and i rekon its the same for every addict....so guys how did you get out of it, or are u still in it,
thanks guys

 

[kokomo]

dont worry there r tons of tweakers on this board ull get ur replies just be patient also im just saying my own opinions bout the subject, everyone is different. hope u can achieve ur goals, good luck

 

[justchillin123]

yeh thanks for the luck mate lets see what happens. One thing thats good is I havnt iv'd it yet, always wanted too but havnt done it cos it will be jut that one bit better and make things even harder

 

[MorphFiend]

I feel ya man, drugs are a powerful thing and quite a few of them have a very strong grip.

When I was much younger (19) my "crew" of friends found meth. Before that we were you average group of misfits, playing with herb, coke, shrooms.. the occasional E tab when we were lucky enough to find it, then our buddy bought an 8 ball and brought it to our annual new years eve party.

Needless to say for the next 2 years straight it's what our entire social scene revolved around. One of our buddies even ended up selling for a cook, we were in pretty deep. Most of us already up to daily use.

After one of our guys got real bad into it, constantly binging and obviously stuck in some weird psychosis, we all took a step back and realized we had a problem. Much like you're doing now. Anyway the guy ended up getting busted with his pipe and a very tiny amount of residue in it which only further freaked us all out.

We, as a group, vowed it must end. We had all turned into tweakers and knew the consequences first hand. Through a lot of bad times most of us ended up kicking the shit. Having each other there to kick the other in the ass and help remind us that we could no longer enjoy this drug in a "responsible" manner really helped. If one of us relapsed whoever we saw would instantly know we were tweaking and come down on them. Peer pressure for a good cause you could say. Our system may not have been perfect, but it worked. Sure we had some fights, but in the end when it was all said and done we were better friends for it.

Till this day if any of us were caught tweaking we'd likely do the same thing, we know how weak we are when it comes to that shit. I don't have problems with people who like to do meth, don't get me wrong. Our disdain is for each other because we know for a fact that if any of us played with it again it would quickly turn into a problem. We cannot "responsibly" handle the drug, so we just don't risk it.

So yeah, I'm not really sure what your social scene is like man but I can sure vouch for the power of friends when it comes to kicking a bad habit. If you can get together and decide to stop this shit then having a buddy or two to talk to and help watch your back works. It did for us.

Again, I am in no way hating on people who enjoy meth. We, as a group, decided that this was not what we wanted for ourselves and at the rate we were going the end result would only be bad. It just wasn't for us. I've known plenty of people who could tweak out from time to time and have a great experience and do their thing no problem. Not us, our lives revolved around it, in a very unhealthy way.

I'm sure there are better ways of kicking the habit but yeah, that's how we did it. Not that we didn't find other habits later in life. Several of us have been opiate addicts for years now.. but it's "maintained" pretty well. We haven't gone off our rockers like we did with speed.

I wish you the best of luck if you do decide to kick it man. If it's what you really want to do, just know that it IS possible.

 

[justchillin123]

I feel ya man, drugs are a powerful thing and quite a few of them have a very strong grip.

When I was much younger (19) my "crew" of friends found meth. Before that we were you average group of misfits, playing with herb, coke, shrooms.. the occasional E tab when we were lucky enough to find it, then our buddy bought an 8 ball and brought it to our annual new years eve party.

Needless to say for the next 2 years straight it's what our entire social scene revolved around. One of our buddies even ended up selling for a cook, we were in pretty deep. Most of us already up to daily use.

After one of our guys got real bad into it, constantly binging and obviously stuck in some weird psychosis, we all took a step back and realized we had a problem. Much like you're doing now. Anyway the guy ended up getting busted with his pipe and a very tiny amount of residue in it which only further freaked us all out.

We, as a group, vowed it must end. We had all turned into tweakers and knew the consequences first hand. Through a lot of bad times most of us ended up kicking the shit. Having each other there to kick the other in the ass and help remind us that we could no longer enjoy this drug in a "responsible" manner really helped. If one of us relapsed whoever we saw would instantly know we were tweaking and come down on them. Peer pressure for a good cause you could say. Our system may not have been perfect, but it worked. Sure we had some fights, but in the end when it was all said and done we were better friends for it.

Till this day if any of us were caught tweaking we'd likely do the same thing, we know how weak we are when it comes to that shit. I don't have problems with people who like to do meth, don't get me wrong. Our disdain is for each other because we know for a fact that if any of us played with it again it would quickly turn into a problem. We cannot "responsibly" handle the drug, so we just don't risk it.

So yeah, I'm not really sure what your social scene is like man but I can sure vouch for the power of friends when it comes to kicking a bad habit. If you can get together and decide to stop this shit then having a buddy or two to talk to and help watch your back works. It did for us.

Again, I am in no way hating on people who enjoy meth. We, as a group decided that this was not what we wanted for ourselves and at the rate we were going the end result would only be bad. It just wasn't for us. I've known plenty of people who could tweak out from time to time and have a great experience and do their thing no problem. Our lives revolved around it, in a very unhealthy way.

I'm sure there are better ways of kicking the habit but yeah, that's how we did it.

hey mate thanks for the input,
unlike you I'm in this addiction all by myself because I tried this once and have been doing it secretly(or trying too) since then. I have some really good mates that are still clueless and I dont want to tell them. Its great you found a way out and by the looks of things it seemed like you were able to quit bcos you wanted too. I cant say I want to right now and so i cant see a way out at the moment.
always bben wanting to try iv but it wudnt be safe for me at all, this shit is really tough to controll even thoiugh I know I shudnt do this a lot theres a voice that says who cares get some anyway it'll be fine, just a fuking evil drug

 

[DJ 303]

A substance is inanimate.
It has no intention or will.
It can not be evil and it can not be good.
a substance cant be "abused".
You can only abuse youself by using it.
Avoid anthropomorphizing the substance itself.
Accept the responsibility is yours.
The choice to take it is yours.
And how you behave or regulate it is down to you.

However, sure, crystal is a highly addictive substance its true. more so than most of the "club" drugs. and sure of course the dopamine and endorphine rush feels good. or else nobody would do it. i had experience of it for a few years. for a couple of those years I used it every weekend from friday to sunday morning. It was handy when I had to DJ all night friday, travel to the next city saturday or work in the studio until the nights performance, and then still be able to bang it out in the clubs. It was my choice. and it was fun for a while. but you gotta have rules. And fucking stick to them.

Ladies and gentleman.
Addiction is not a prerequisite to consumption.

Hey Justchillin man.
Get it together mate.
you admit its "destroying your life".
Your destroying yourself, not it.
ask yourself these questions.

have you, in your usage of the substance
a) jeapordised a friendship
b) broken your moral code (ie stealing/ripping off to get a hit)
c) jeapordised your job/future
d) jeapordised your family situation
e) jeapordised your mental well being
f) jeapordised your financial well being

if you answer yes to many/any of these, and if you are still doing any of these things, then get a fucking grip now. it will only get worse.
you feel like the best person in the world you say?
Your using to escape your self hatred man, not to enhance your already happy self. bad bad bad.
and if your fucking anyone over and still feeling good when your high, then you need a long hard look at yourself man.

Be a man.
either quit it or use it responsibly.
by that i mean.....
NEVER
1) stay up for more than a night and a day (be a fucking　man, put down your pipe, take a sleeping tablet and get some rest)
2) use if you cant afford it
3) borrow money for it
4) use it by yourself and hide away
5) lie to yourself.
6) use it in the week or when you should be working
7) let it spoil your dreams or your motivations
8) Use to escape your misery, it makes it worse. use to enjoy your happiness
9) use if you havent got all your things in order first... ie you have the time and money
..............and finally

10) never think that you cant do without it.

you can.
You will crash for a couple of weeks.
You will have no energy or enthusiasm to do anything for a while
you will feel like you cant get anything done if you dont redose
you will find that you need to fill the void that it leaves you with.

But mate, its temporary.
little by little youll wake up for longer each day, have more energy, start piecing it back together.
force yourself to get outside, get at least a walk until you can manage physical excersise.
find your natural happiness man.
do something kind for someone.
fill your life with sex, ice cream, beer, friends, adrenaline, experience, music, dance....
whatever it takes.
get a job. part time at first, get into a routine, youll be right in no time.

and most importantly, dont believe your own bullshit.
if you are breaking those rules, you are not able to use this substance.
if needs be go away. go away, stay with relatives/friends whatever.
go somewhere where you cant score. tell someone close to you that you need help.
get down on bended knee in front of the person you love most on this planet, look them in the eye, and swear blind that you will never use it again. swear on your very own life.
cause if you break that promise to them.
then your not living anymore man.
your dying.

get help man. you can get through it. at the end of the day you aint quivering, hallucinating, vomiting, or in pain.
the worst it gets is just a desire to go and score.
delete your dealers phone number.
tell him not to sell to you.
sever your ties while you still can.

I wish you luck my friend.
the first step is admitting your problem.
so youve earnt my respect for that.
now deal with the fucking matter man.　
if not for yourself, then for all the other people that your hurting. surely a tweaky, sweaty, liver bashing, tooth rotting, pimple picking, soul destroying, life ruining buzz cant be worth all that eh?

one day at a time man.
and things will only get better.

peace

DJ 303

"we are what we think, with our thoughts we make the world, speak or act with a pure mind and happiness will follow.
like your shadow.
unshakeable"
Dali Llama

 

[MorphFiend]

Yeah true, it was a combination of being scared and realizing it was a problem. So even though we didn't really want to, we knew we needed to, and yeah that really helped.

Sometimes it does take a good scare to get ourselves where we want to be.

You have however admitted that it is a problem, that is the first step man, be strong.

I wish you luck with whatever you decide to do sir.

 

[justchillin123]

thanks guys i appreciate it, just saying it again, I know its all my fault and never said it wasnt but I still call meth an evil drug simply because it is, its evil in the buzz the comedown and when you let it scare you with all those quick visuals and shadows so even though it is just a substance it sometimes feels like a new person in your life.

This might be a shit thing to say but on another side I like how the drug has given me the ability to not worry about things much which can be a great thing in life but mann i dont know what to say, by the way does anyone know how to get rid of a bad headache...its killing me, slowly starting to comedown at the moment and this hurts
compared to heavy addicts i would say I'm coping ok right now, i cant afford more than 3-4 points maximum a week which stops me from goin too far,
cheers

 

[homeydontplaythat]

definetly is evil. heroin is too, of course, but meth is just so dirty.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

^ Umm no, did you not read the posts.

The point is meth is not evil, heroin is not evil. They are inanimate objects and it is YOU who controls HOW they are used

Lyrica is evil though, not one good use.

 

[justchillin123]

^ Umm no, did you not read the posts.

The point is meth is not evil, heroin is not evil. They are inanimate objects and it is YOU who controls HOW they are used

Lyrica is evil though, not one good use.

umm na mate i would say meth is a lot more evil than heroin, H is somehat natural and is a chillin buzz, meth is all strong nasty chemical and makes you act not normal fuk man you could end up anywhere on it the stuff just dosnt let you think straight..gets crazy at times

oh sorry mate i misread your post thought u said heroin is evil

 

[sockpuppet]

I'm with you OP, and as an old school dopefiend trying to keep healthy after wasting my youth I also think the common attitude around here is completely misguided.

We used to call these "hard drugs" or "death drugs" and the terms still fit. Amphetamines, opioids, benzos, etc are all powerful tools when absolutely necessary but should definitely be stigmatized and treated differently in our scene(s) than herb and psychs without the potential to kill or viciously addict.

Watching the downward spiral of drug abuse and death on this site is heartbreaking. But it is so much worse to see those in the grips of addiction (or youthful naivete) promoting these death drugs as no different than milder, safer, and frequently beneficial sacraments. There is easily as much harm production going on around here as harm reduction.

If you are young you stand a good chance of getting away from this stuff now. It will bring you nothing but heartache if you continue with it. Good luck.

 

[oldkaw]

If you looked in my Elvis edition PDR, circa 1961, you would find meth in everything from grandmas jump start tonic, to moms drop a few pounds product, to your sisters don't be depressed your boyfriend left you for your best friend pills. It was around for decades with little abuse because people gave little thought to do so. Then the press says, hey you can really abuse the hell out of this shit, the government says if you use it at all you will abuse the hell out of it, and you have to listen to their dumb ass? No, you don't. Step up to the plate. Look at your route of administration. Grandma never smoked it and she did just fine thank you very much. If you took oral does of 10-25 mg. instead of smoking it by the quarter gram or whatever, don't you think the reinforcing qualities, (wherein lies its addiction potential) would be nearly a non issue? Use and abuse are not connected via a substance, only with your mindset.

 

[sockpuppet]

Sorry oldkaw - not accurate.

People had horrible problems with oral amphetamines from their introduction in the 1930s, and these grew much more common as they were heavily promoted in the 50s. Many people were addicted to the prescription speed, and many people developed barbiturate addictions to balance out the stims. Many people died of barbiturate overdoses. It was a huge problem and that's why they stopped prescribing prescription speed for several decades by and large.

And that doesn't even touch the huge IV speed scene of the early 60s or late 60s. Talk to anyone who was around the LES of NYC in 1960 or the Haight after the speed came flooding in '67. It was a horrible scene then just as now.

Society forgets the lessons of previous drug epidemics. It's all cyclical. Just like people now have forgotten how fucked up everyone got with coke in the 70s and 80s.

My rule of thumb for drugs: Do you know lots of people who have used a particular drug for 40 years and don't regret it? Not many hard drugs you'll find older folks recommend to the young....

 

[justchillin123]

Sorry oldkaw - not accurate.

People had horrible problems with oral amphetamines from their introduction in the 1930s, and these grew much more common as they were heavily promoted in the 50s. Many people were addicted to the prescription speed, and many people developed barbiturate addictions to balance out the stims. Many people died of barbiturate overdoses. It was a huge problem and that's why they stopped prescribing prescription speed for several decades by and large.

And that doesn't even touch the huge IV speed scene of the early 60s or late 60s. Talk to anyone who was around the LES of NYC in 1960 or the Haight after the speed came flooding in '67. It was a horrible scene then just as now.

Society forgets the lessons of previous drug epidemics. It's all cyclical. Just like people now have forgotten how fucked up everyone got with coke in the 70s and 80s.

My rule of thumb for drugs: Do you know lots of people who have used a particular drug for 40 years and don't regret it? Not many hard drugs you'll find older folks recommend to the young....

yeh i would think so too its alwys been a problem. Even Hitler did it and went fukin crazy

 

[melvin420]

yeh i would think so too its alwys been a problem. Even Hitler did it and went fukin crazy

Hitler was already crazy lol then did it his last 3 years of his life DAILY. But yeah I'd say meth is evil... it's just so dirty no offense or anything guys but really I don't think staying up for countless days and being so strung out is fun.

Also what is this "speed demons" shit I'm hearing a lot of people get from meth... SOUNDS EVIL