MDPHP & 4F-PHP - Experienced - A summary of effects

[yaesutom]

I decided to write up a summary on these two compounds because there is a lack of information in English. I really dig these two and have been reading & digesting information from the net & myself for a while now.

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I've tried a zillion billion stimulants on this planet. I've been searching for the best for years.... I have narcolepsy so I REALLY love stimulants that get me wide awake & functional.

Eventually I came across all the PHPs (I'm plenty experienced with MDPV). I like the PHPs better than PVPs because they are smoother and just feel "right" to me like they fit into my receptors perfectly, and they don't drag on with hours of after effects & peripheral stimulation. aPHP is super euphoric and super hardcore... probably the most euphoric drug i've done (i'm experienced with all types of drugs) but its kind of a messy experience.. not really suited for daily life and getting shit done. The ring substituted PHP's though, MDPHP and 4F-PHP are damn near perfect. They are both very similar, like apples and oranges. 4F-PHP is the more hardcore of the two, and will wake me up VERY good. MDPHP is a little softer (and probably more tolerable to the average person) and has more of a sexual enhancement effect (and great for binge porn fapathons). The best effect can be derived by mixing the two in approximately 50/50 ratio.

Routes of administration: My preferred way to take these two is by IM. I really can't have a lot of stuff going up my nose but its probably only a little better than snorting, effects wise. Orally works great too and is probably the best way to take it for a narcolepsy or ADHD med substitute. One of the things I love about these is the fact that they are short lasting and have zero comedown, yet are more euphoric than amphetamines (including Dexedrine which i'm prescribed). Its also easy to sleep afterwards and doesn't drag on and on like MDPV. I can be sleepy and IM 20-30mg (sometimes I just have some pre-dissolved in liquid and sort of eyeball it) and I will wake up super smoothly tweaked for 2-3 hours, get a bunch of work done... if i need more I just IM some more.. when i'm done its easy to stop and I can pass out easily. Its not that moreish. Its the perfect amount of euphoria to make me content, focused, and awake but not constantly crave more. Its damn near perfect... I have read many many reports about successful vaporizing (and freebasing by adding a drop of ammonia) of both (more so MDPHP) but I don't think i've tried it myself as I find oral/IM so good.

I am getting some more soon (its been a while, hard to track down) and have had a long break but this time around I will try to measure my doses accurately so I can report on it. I was so happy these exist and almost didn't want to share the secret... But now I see that if i keep it all to myself all the vendors will drop it from their menu cause there's not much info and people keep comparing it to aPHP.. which is a terrible idea. If you compare MDPHP and 4F-PHP to amphetamine.... they are close and they beat amphetamine in most ways. I get almost angry when I see people bitch, comparing these to aPHP cause they aren't "thinking" or something.. ha.. These two should be compared to more regular stimulants at normal doses. As smooth as dexedrine or pure meth but short lasting, no comedown, and more euphoria.

Be careful with the doses though and start low... psychosis can happen if you do too much at once. Good thing is it doesn't appear to pile on top of the last dose - meaning you can keep redosing all day/night without crazy things happening as long as you dose when it has worn off.

Your welcome...

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Oh... note about vendors/batches: I've tried 5-10 different batches from different vendors and I notice there is some variance... sometimes the "dirty" MDPHP I got was better than pure for some reason.. reminds me of the tan MDPV days. Less variance with 4F-PHP but still there a tiny bit. I can say that all of the batches have been GOOD though just some better than others due to mysterious compounds (has to be something else in there!)

For some reason there is a lack of reports in English. There is a ZILLION good reports in Polish or other languages on the net on other forums. That is where I read up on them before grabbing some myself. Those reports align with my own and I tend to agree with the majority of them on the effects. I think there are only a couple reasons for the lack of reports here: People like me aren't reporting or starting discussion and then you got the people that are let down because its "not as good" as aPHP (bull! they are definitely better and more useful). I want these to be available for a long time as I do rely on them for medicinal purposes (narcolepsy and not enough legit meds).

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A note on some other odd "PV" like compounds i've tried, but are not as good as ^^ those two.

4-CL-PVP - Its a psychotic psychedelic.... I've seen things I cannot explain and its a totally reliable way to induce psychosis. Psychosis on the first dose. I think this one should be studied because its unique in that it gave me psychosis while NOT being stimulating (no euphoria either). In its credit, it is a CALM psychosis.. I saw a ghost cat running around my house playing with my real cats and I was typing on my phone with my new 5-dimensional vision and talking to aliens and wasn't freaked out at all....

4-CL-PPP - Almost inactive... gave up as I really don't like testing out random 4-chloro compounds but I did feel slightly stimulated.

4F-PVP - Surprisingly I really just couldn't get off on this one.. seemed way weaker than 4F-PHP. The feeling is "off" too. I think the PHP's have the perfect alpha-carbon chain length. Someday, hopefully this will be studied more (what the alpha carbon length does in the brain).

MPHP - Similar to MDPHP but not as good. The 4-methyl is supposedly more dangerous anyways so not a big loss.

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[Xorkoth]

Interesting, thanks for reporting. Of this class I've only tried MDPV and I hate that shit, I assumed all of these guys would produce anxiety and overstimulation and strong compulsive use despite feeling like shit. Recently I've been doing too many stimulants so I'm holding off on them for a good long while, but I must admit this report has me intrigued.

I do like pentylone though, which has gotten bad reviews overall. I find it to be a pretty clean functional stimulant with some euphoria and not a strong urge to redose (though it's there), as long as you keep the doses low.

 

[yoyoman]

Yeah these are WAAAY better than MDPV, and i've never tried aPVP but I probably wouldn't like it.

I feel like these two are 'ruined' by reports from people comparing them to aPVP or aPHP. People are let down that its not as fun or messy etc. I've tried aPHP and its just too messy for daily use and really hard to not do the whole amount you bought. I see MDPHP & 4F-PHP as more medicinal stimulants. In my world dexamphetamine should be in coffee but i would take these in place of it. I think i'd rather have an infinite amount of these two more than I would like an infinite supply of d-amphetamine.. they're just as smooth and provide a little more euphoria. I also like the short duration and freedom to keep dosing to keep going without much downside to it.

I should have mentioned MDPHP feels like it has slight serotonin releasing properties... something about it feels relaxed, maybe its a reuptake inhibitor or releaser of serotonin.

Since you brought up pentylone, I can mention some of these stimulants i've tried. I did not like Hexen at all for some reason... feels nothing like I read about. Maybe i've gotten crappy batches of it or something.
NEP (I think N-ethyl-pentedrone) - Thought this one was super good although too weak. Gave a unique euphoria.
4-methyl-pentedrone - I liked this one, provided a clear headed awake feeling when smoked. Sorta weak compared to the substituted PHPs.

Some emphathogens i've tasted recently: 4-MEC and 4-EMC - Loved both of these.. I preferred 4-MEC it felt closer to mephedrone.
4-CMC - Liked it and it felt like it released the most serotonin out of all the 4-XXX but the 4-chloro is scary.. doubt i would take it again because I don't want to fry my brain.

 

[Xorkoth]

Have you tried pentylone? Curious, because I think hexen/ethyl-hexedrone is very euphoric (well, not at the level of the most euphoric stims but more euphoric than most), with a short duration. A bit too much residual stimulation but few peripheral side effects for the euphoric hit. I haven't tried 4-MEC but I LOVE 4-EMC... just lost like 4 grams at a festival and I'm bummed. I find it quite compulsive while making me think it's not compulsive, very chill, I can fall asleep normally, doesn't keep me up, and it is very euphoric, moreso than hexen by a lot, moreso than most things. When I have it I abuse it, which makes me sort of glad I lost it... had 12 grams, shared with friends but in less than a month it was down to ~ 4 grams, and that was after a week and a half taking a break because I did it too much and felt totally spent.

Stimulants are the most compulsive drugs to me these days. I do a variety of drugs, used to be addicted to opiates bad for 10 years, I'm well past opiates now but of all the drugs only stims (especially empathogenic ones) feel like I have a problem with. Just too compulsive.

Anyway have you tried pentylone? Wondering how you feel about it. I like it, it's mild but I like that about it, not too compulsive either, mostly because it's not that good, but it does provide a stimulant thing and is pretty clean-feeling is not overused.

 

[Wiserthanearlier]

Mdphp was slightly effective at best for me. Although wasnt pure looking. A clay or soft brown flakky powder.

20mg, would seem to offer something, but 60mg offered no more.
Dosed up until arounr 80mg + 40mg and really got no more benefit above the initial effects at much lower doses.

Experienced with apvp, aphp, 3mmc, methylone, pentedrone, flephedrone and a few blended cathinones. (As well as many other drugs in different classes)
My source wasnt good i dont believe, but overall this seemed significantly less interesting

 

[yaesutom]

Mdphp was slightly effective at best for me. Although wasnt pure looking. A clay or soft brown flakky powder.

20mg, would seem to offer something, but 60mg offered no more.
Dosed up until arounr 80mg + 40mg and really got no more benefit above the initial effects at much lower doses.

Experienced with apvp, aphp, 3mmc, methylone, pentedrone, flephedrone and a few blended cathinones. (As well as many other drugs in different classes)
My source wasnt good i dont believe, but overall this seemed significantly less interesting

There was a lot of shitty MDPHP i went through for a while.. it is hit or miss unfortunately. The good stuff you just knew it was the good stuff because it had a strong effect at a low dose. Very sexual and euphoric..

i've never tried pentylone but I noticed its schedule I so I don't want to take a chance importing it to try it but i've always been curious. I don't like Hexen which is strange because it resembles MD/4F-PHP somewhat. i could have just gotten a crappy batch (I heard there were a lot)

 

[Ziiirp]

Nice report, although I have the complete opposite oppinion (maybe different body chemnistry).
Also would say I have a minor case of narkolepsy (feeling euphoric when doing absolutely nothing and then dazing away), but I'll never find out, because I don't go to MDs.

I disagree entirely with your evaluation and comparison (at least of the compounds I've tried).

Out of all the DRI I've taken, I prefer MDPV the most (it is very dopaminergic and titratable, no shitty serotonergic flash is provided until you dose a lot, i.e. overdose).

All the other similar compounds ((SN)DRIs with similar binding profiles) I tried, had so many negative aspects, that I consider each of them as poison.

(not necessarily pyrovalerones) :

- 2-DPMP (hardcore vasoconstriction, causing edema in the limbs and head -> scared the shit out of me, see death reports on pubchem, mentioning those symptoms)
- a-PHP (20 min okay stimulation, then suddenly gas is building up in the stomach every time and ruins everything for 3h and much nervousness)
- Ethylphenidate (20 min nice rush, then a 4h comedown with difficulty thinking, speaking, felt like 2-DPMP light)
- Isopropylphenidate (rather weak, but at least has less side effects)
- RTI-111 (suprisingly very similar to a-PHP, only that the comedown is shorter)
- Cocaine (too weak overall compared to good old amphetamine, but has the least side effects of the listed, so I dont consider it as poison, it is just too weak)

My main ROA is insufflation with the occasional oral ingestion.

I prefer amphetamine and close derivates (x-F(M)A) to any of those DRI-RCs. Fuck all of them (despite MDPV) :D

 

[Xorkoth]

Most likely you've never had mostly pure cocaine. I've only ever had it one time - coke is so notoriously cut to shit these days - and it's pretty wonderful, but it lasts a short time so isn't really ideal for functional use. But it was potent, 2 little tiny scoops, 1 in each nostril, probably 30-40mg total, numbed my whole face and I went from feeling tired and antisocial to feeling wonderful and talking to everyone. No side effects at all, no comedown, I didn't redose though (I would have, but someone gifted me with a dose and I didn't see them again that night).

 

[Ziiirp]

Yeah that is possible. But I got it from a long term coke addict, that obviously loves the shit and he used the same stash. Lets say, the shit was cut to 50/50. Still it was really underwhelming (conisdering the price and compared to most amphetamines). But it was great, that there weren't any immediate side effects.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah the price is a huge deterrant, it's totally not worth the money, that's for sure. Also the duration sucks.

 

[Ziiirp]

What I really like about amphs, that they are so functional, that, if not abused, you do not need any downer.

With most of the above DRIs I need a beer during the fucking ONSET to not to freak out, so most of them cannot be functional for me. I think my organism is just not build for SNDRIs.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah I agree with that, most DRIs seem to totally require alcohol or a benzo for me to not become uncomfortable. I usually really like the onset, but then it gets edgy without a downer. I can feel that way on amps too but only if I take too much.

 

[yaesutom]

See, usually I agree and am the same way... NEED a benzo or a downer of some kind to take any DRI. But I have been using MDPHP and 4F-PHP, mixed together, dosed recklessly, without any benzo's around and been having nothing but a blast.

I notice my anxiety actually goes *down* while using these. Defiinitely no jitters or side effects even at mega doses after tolerance build up. Every other NDRI though, maybe except for isopropylphenidate, is hell and full of sides requiring a benzo to mix in there.

Everyone is different, but I also have experienced very very different MDPHP & 4F-PHP. Stuff was like another drug, sometimes a good drug.. but sometimes with some panic effects. what I have now has -zero- panic inducing effects.

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Also I just got a refill on my dexedrine script and know I wont have a hard time stretching it out like i usually do. I may have to switch days or weeks... I notice a tolerance building up with the *PHP's so maybe I should switch to amphetamine during that time. I have been overdoing it though.... I just love that blanket of euphoria... feels like a blanket is wrapped around you while your spun lol

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I can report that it does indeed work great in a nasal spray bottle. I bought some metered nasal sprayers, didn't really dose properly (since I can take high doses no problem) but I was tired.. pulled it out did a couple squirts in each nostril and it woke me right up (i was grocery shopping getting really tired). I should add saline or something to help with that taste....

 

[3dempty]

I can not believe you do not smoke the 4f-php, just because once you smoke it right you are auto redose. Or as I call it our rodent brain. I know your thinking like reptilian brain, and you are right. There is a mouse inside each of us , who will keep hitting the cocaine lever until we die of starvation.
All of a sudden I have not stopped hitting that time foil for more then 5 minutes in the last week. The 5 minutes was to get a new lighter.
While other NDRI 's have caused psychosis, depression, paranoia,. This is the only chemical causing O.C.D.

It is not about cravings or or about avoiding the crash. It is not about anything, especially your wants or well being.
But I love it anyway the minute I start to run out.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I would probably do unspeakable things to be able to go on a few day run of something like MDPHP. Then I'd do even more unspeakable things while on the run.

I better stop thinking about this...

As a huge fan of MDPV and APHP I am quite interested in MDPHP. I can't help pondering it's taste, effects and perviness. I shudder while thinking about it.

Damnit I really really should stop thinking about this...

 

[3dempty]

alchemist taken mdphp for mphp /

Everyone looks to a lone chemical to find different types of pleasure. So I am trying to produce a combination of chemicals .
The man that had tried combinations of the lie of cathinon could help me a lot.
Can you write the effects Jutish thread or message me.

What really interests me is altering substances with chemistry. Someone mentioned using ammonia. Where could I find more about this.

Why can’t vultures fly business class?
No carrion!


chemicals

 

[Zleytown803]

Just went through a Gram of A-PHP. The only way to describe this chemical is super cocaine and amphetamine on crack. Lmao! Sure PVP might be better but a php is better IMO.

 

[yaesutom]

Haven't been here in a while.

Anyway, MDPHP is #1, 4f-php is an OK backup though but something about it is just weird.

I'm very curous about alpha-PHiP or aka 4'-Me-PVP as some sellers call it. Might be in the league of aPVP by reading foreign reports translated. I'm still using MDPHP very often as its one of the rare things that reliably wakes me up. I'm not lookin to get a a-PVP clone (never tried it, but MDPV was a bit too much for functional use). Sounds like aPHiP is similar but slightly not as hardcore. I find mixing tiny bits of other things with MDPHP boosts it... I think the lack of comedown and obsessive redosing might be because it could be slanted more towards NE release/reuptake. Somehow though, its smooth or limited to the head rather than body. I'm curious what a little aPHiP added would do.. haven't seen much on English boards not that i've really looked hard.

Isopropylphenidate is great but seems like it lacks something to do with wakefulness.. too much dopamine only? Sometimes I mix the two for better effect.

I do remember, taking isopropylphenidate after first half of the day taking Adderall, and got quite a great effect... when adderall would have just quit at that point.

 

[devguru]

Hello,

I have roughly abused MDPV before (long time ago) during it was on market, and also highly abused a-PVP previously .. So, I am so familiar with the MDPV style anxiety and paranoia. They usually gives me parkinson like effects (i am always slowly walking.. because at that stage, i believe if i move little faster %100 percentage i will get brain damage or seizure, lol, fckin brain games..) and feeling too much sensitivity with my hair roots on my head (and (+) general uncomfortable stages which everyone generally faced with) etc. Anyway ..

I just ordered and got 6g MDPHP and 10g HexEn from a Polish vendor a couple days ago. I took their photos what look like

MDPHP = https://imgur.com/KAHW0Lp
HexEn = https://imgur.com/hqJOVEy

(BTW, before the day, I vaped almost 250mg HexEn during the day, from noon until midnight) Just FYI ..
Next day .. For the beginning I tried MDPHP with low doses like 5mg (vaped through tinfoil, it leaves dark residues) didn't understand anything from MDPHP on this dosage and ROA.
Even I am not sure that i had vaped this compound properly or not with it's own unique style. Maybe i need to make some practise to learn how to properly vape this shit..
Then I decide to switch another ROA.. +15min after my vaping trial, I have (almost) properly measured 10mg MDPHP with my cheap 0.001 scale and insufflated it ..
+3 min I got some effects but i think it was not exactly RC stim effects due to my MDPV like RC experience before . I think it was placebo, whatever, again i waited for 30min to redose.

(Especially after reading lot of article and comment about what you are planning to buy next, if you got it and tried it .. then realized that it was not your expectation and not suitable for your chemistry .. WOAH it is the number #1 comedown feling in the world in my opinion)

Anyway
+30 min after that i insufflated 10mg previously .. insufflated another 15mg MDPHP and waited ..
+10 min usual sideeffects slowly raised up . anxiety, parkinson, mild paranoia (not a big problem for me, due to having dozens of clonazepam, phenazepam, magnesium citrate, valerian root extract etc. )

But I would like to know that;

1. Have I really fucked up my rewarding system on my brain, neurotransmitters etc ?.. whatever .. i am not pro on these kind of science terminology ..
2. Is my MDPHP dosages too small for the initial try ? because i know some of RCs gives you extreme paranoia and anxiety, if you keep dosing low except of their sweet point dosage.
3. or my previous day's HexEn consumption was effected this MDPHP effects ?
4. or my ordered batch is just some dried diearrhea shit, except of real MDPHP synth ?

Anyone have an idea about dosage, ROA, redose intervals ?
Also I wonder if vape HexEn & MDPHP together, it will be safe ?

Thank you in advance .