Anybody ever sample this remarkable strain from the great state of Alaska. Whats is its lineage/genetics in terms original landstrains hybridizations? Is any grown outdoors- the long Summer days in the valley seem problematic. What was your subjective experience with this bud- How would you liken the high, taste, appearance, ect... Does it exist in any new strains on the market and can it be found in its original form-it wouldn't surprise me if trainwreck is in its family tree.
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Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck
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chompy
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i picked it up at the clinic once and thought it was pretty dank.
MistaJeff
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I think this particular strain is probably more myth than reality. I used to think "ooh G-13, that's legendary". I then got an 8th of it from a medical marijuana dispensary. It was just a strong sativa, it wasn't magic. Just because a strain is named something does not mean that it is the same strain as pot with the same name. I'm pretty sure that someone just decided to call that pot "G-13" to make it sell. It would be highly plausible for anyone to just name weed "mantanuska valley thunderfuck" just to get people to buy it. I am not saying that there was never an amazing strain of weed from Alaska called "Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck" but chances are that that particular strain is dead or no longer the same as it once was.
Jblazingphoenix100
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nah but I want to 
HighonLife
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@ Mista jeff: well there are legitamite alaska matanuska thunderfuck genetics out there as it is documented in respected seed companys catalogues and also in the cannabible and other such marijuana literature
but yes as we all know some people just put names on weed to make it sell. it is a common practice. so knowing what exact strain of weed one has is difficult unless one grows their own with documented genetics or by trusting other sources but yes such a strain does exist. i dunno about the whole 'valley' wording of said strain but i have heard and seen of alaskan matanuska thunderfuck
but yes as we all know some people just put names on weed to make it sell. it is a common practice. so knowing what exact strain of weed one has is difficult unless one grows their own with documented genetics or by trusting other sources but yes such a strain does exist. i dunno about the whole 'valley' wording of said strain but i have heard and seen of alaskan matanuska thunderfuck
slimvictor
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A friend of mine used to grow this strain. I got an eighth of it about 3 or 4 times. It was incredibly strong. When my friend, the grower, first let me try some, I took a medium hit, passed him the bong, and we talked and relaxed. By the time it was my turn again, I couldn't take another hit - we had planned to do yoga, but I was afraid that I would be too high to function with another hit. In the beginning, one hit would always be more than enough for me. The smell was good, taste was good, but the effects were off the charts. Of course, as I went through more of it, I started to take 2, then 3 hits of it at a time, but I never needed more than that. My friends were always blown away when I gave them a hit or two of it.
I should note that I was used to very high quality marijuana at the time, and that I never needed more than 2-3 hits to get incredibly high. But this Alaska Thunderfuck, a.k.a. Alaskan Matanuskan, was simply stronger than anything else going around the N. California / Oregon area. The same friend also grew "purple", "train wreck- afghani", and other good strains, but he also said that this was the strongest.
I should note that I was used to very high quality marijuana at the time, and that I never needed more than 2-3 hits to get incredibly high. But this Alaska Thunderfuck, a.k.a. Alaskan Matanuskan, was simply stronger than anything else going around the N. California / Oregon area. The same friend also grew "purple", "train wreck- afghani", and other good strains, but he also said that this was the strongest.
El Cubano Poco
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I'm miss thunderfuck! One of the first great strains I tried, it was indeed legit and O-SO- satisfying! :D
In researching this strain I found out some interesting stuff. First my experience with this. The strain that I smoked was from a friend that grew up in Alaska- jr high/ high school years were spent in a town called Palmer which is in the Matanuska Valley. Anyway, he brought some back to CA after a visit there and I got to smoke some- this was in 93'. This was the most potent gange I ever smoked (talked about this in a few other threads) and I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area- so I had a familarity of a wide range of quality bud- strong, potent and otherwise. What was amazing is that one bong hit was all I took and could take. This was creeper so luckily I waited b/w bong hits- I just kept getting higher and higher. That one bong hit took me to the realm where cannabis begins to take on strong characteristics of a psychedelic drug. The other thing that I remember was that it was so full of crystals that it seemed to be dipped in sugar. From my research on the net I have heard others confirm this characteristic. For the life of me I can't remember the taste, though. There was a type of bud that was going around during the christmas season of 87' or 88'in the Bay Area that was supper crystalized and smelled and tasted like pine- a big bannana bud that we nick named "christmas tree bud" that gave a good soaring high but this was different. I have heard people describe the taste of MTF in various ways but mango and red grapes seems like the most popular.
As to the origin of this strain there has been alot of debate on the subject on the internet. The consensus seems to be that the Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck strain was a pure indica or mostly indica strain of extraordinary high potency from the late 70s through till the mid 90s by some acounts or disappearing after 01'-02' by others. Supposedly this was a clone that many feel is now extinct but had been crossed with other strains hence Matanuska Mist, Matanuska Tundra, ect...According to the Big Book of Buds which I was reading in my neighborhood headshop/bookstore Sagarmatha sells the original strain or something close to it renamed as Matanuska Tundra. People who claimed to have smoked it also reported the buds as having characteristic purple spots which I don't remember seeing. Another classic strain of Alaskan bud that was around iduring MTF's heyday was one called Yukon Gold that many people mentioned fondly as well.
As far as grow characteristics- I figured that all the MTF was indoor. Close to the solstice in the valley you have extra extra long daylight hours. The Matanuska Valley is known for growing super large produce in the summer. The hours of darkness increase rapidly around what would probably be flowering time- aug- early september if it was outdoor. Some say that this strain is optimized for growing outdoors in the region even requiring a good frost to perform well. One or two have gone as far as saying this is an indigenous strain (landsrace) which I highly doubt. Definiately alot of indica if not pure indica in this one I reckon.
In summary- I feel blessed that I got to try this phenomenal strain around its heyday. Really super stoney dipped in sugar one hit indica. Whether or not this strain is still around is a point of much conjecture and debate on the net.
As to the origin of this strain there has been alot of debate on the subject on the internet. The consensus seems to be that the Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck strain was a pure indica or mostly indica strain of extraordinary high potency from the late 70s through till the mid 90s by some acounts or disappearing after 01'-02' by others. Supposedly this was a clone that many feel is now extinct but had been crossed with other strains hence Matanuska Mist, Matanuska Tundra, ect...According to the Big Book of Buds which I was reading in my neighborhood headshop/bookstore Sagarmatha sells the original strain or something close to it renamed as Matanuska Tundra. People who claimed to have smoked it also reported the buds as having characteristic purple spots which I don't remember seeing. Another classic strain of Alaskan bud that was around iduring MTF's heyday was one called Yukon Gold that many people mentioned fondly as well.
As far as grow characteristics- I figured that all the MTF was indoor. Close to the solstice in the valley you have extra extra long daylight hours. The Matanuska Valley is known for growing super large produce in the summer. The hours of darkness increase rapidly around what would probably be flowering time- aug- early september if it was outdoor. Some say that this strain is optimized for growing outdoors in the region even requiring a good frost to perform well. One or two have gone as far as saying this is an indigenous strain (landsrace) which I highly doubt. Definiately alot of indica if not pure indica in this one I reckon.
In summary- I feel blessed that I got to try this phenomenal strain around its heyday. Really super stoney dipped in sugar one hit indica. Whether or not this strain is still around is a point of much conjecture and debate on the net.
slimvictor
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The strain that I described earlier was grown and smoked in 2006 and 2007.
Whether that means MTF is still around, or that I smoked something else, is not clear.
However, it sounds quite a bit like what you described, jspun.
Whether that means MTF is still around, or that I smoked something else, is not clear.
However, it sounds quite a bit like what you described, jspun.
HighonLife
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not to be rude but you asked a question, then let others answer it, and then you went ahead and did the research that you shoulda done on your own in the first place and got the answer. maybe next time you should just do your research instead of making threads
No offense taken. I thank everyone who took the time to respond to this thread. The reason that I start threads is to get information I cant find on the net or in other media. And I aquired some really good info from those that responded to the thread. I would like to think that the purpose of "making threads" involves more than answering questions that the thread maker is too lazy to research using available tools. And I still have not gotten the answer. To quote myself:
are still inconclusive.
please keep the responses comming- if the original genotype is lost, the phenotype might still be out there- that is the utility of collecting info about peoples' subjective experiences with this strain- from a harm reduction standpoint, this info might be useful to a medical MJ patient somewhere in the future- to be able to make informed treatment choices.
In starting this thread, I got alot of speculation: just like on the net, and that speaks volumes. But I also heard a few people, especially slim victor, echo some of the stuff I came across in the reasearch I did, and was similar to my own experience- this helped clarify some of the speculation.
I believe that the greatest amount of harm caused by drugs is the result of prohibition first and foremost and misinformation/myths a close second. The drug goons use misinformation to scare the public in order continue their "war" and be able to comit crimes aginst humanity with impunity. A war that resulted in the arrest of 588,963 Americans in 1995 on marijuana charges alone.
If you come across this thread again highonlife, you posted that:
please, kindly, can you direct me to which of the three volumes of cannabible I can find information about this strain, to other literature out there on the topic, and can you please elaborate on what you have heard and seen about alaska matanuska thunderfuck? El Cubano Paco, I'm dying to read details from you regarding this strain if you have the time.%)
I have a family member from Alaska that I am going to discuss this topic with and see what I can get.
Thank you all
eViLChEf
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The first time i ran into this strain it was around 1992-93 in Florida and it was just called "Alaskan Thunderfuck". If i remember correctly it was a really intense clear headed high that was almost as trippy as eating brownies. I thought it was some made up shit for a long time until I heard the name pop back up
Quoting self:
Not to do my own research again- but I found out that it is in the first volume. I know this because we have volume II at my local headshop bookstore (The Black) and I & III are sold out but it referenced the first volume in a discussion on one of the Matanuska strains out there (matanuska mist or one of those). I'll keep people updated. Good thing I did my own research (and lucky I live by a place that stocks this type of literatute) or else there would have been a Cannabible IV out by the time I got the answer as to my question (of which Cannabible volume to look in for info on Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck.)
One of the most potent strains I ever got ahold of was from Orlando grown in South Florida in 1991 called "crypie" as in cryptonite bud. On the top 5 most potent buds I ever smoked. Intense soaring high. Fluorescent light green that tasted like mint, citrus, and evergreen
Ever come cross this E-Chef?
Not to do my own research again- but I found out that it is in the first volume. I know this because we have volume II at my local headshop bookstore (The Black) and I & III are sold out but it referenced the first volume in a discussion on one of the Matanuska strains out there (matanuska mist or one of those). I'll keep people updated. Good thing I did my own research (and lucky I live by a place that stocks this type of literatute) or else there would have been a Cannabible IV out by the time I got the answer as to my question (of which Cannabible volume to look in for info on Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck.)
One of the most potent strains I ever got ahold of was from Orlando grown in South Florida in 1991 called "crypie" as in cryptonite bud. On the top 5 most potent buds I ever smoked. Intense soaring high. Fluorescent light green that tasted like mint, citrus, and evergreen
Ever come cross this E-Chef?
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panic in paradise
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i have grown this several times, and an odd give away that you have strong Manatuska genes, is that the plant will develop odd white patches on the fan leafs, or other larger leafs that will disappear, and stay gone, or reappear in another area.
its very strange, and if i didnt know any better i would of thought it was a mold....
good stuff, fun and easy to grow, but the THC% people quote, for this strain or others, is not the standard by any means, but rather an indicator of its capabilities. most of this depends on the grower, and many other factors.
Manatuska is pretty awesome though, a real unique LandRace.
there is a neighboring valley to manatustka which has its own indigenous cannabis,,, the name of the valley is the name of the strain, and im not remembering it atm, but it starts with a T.
its there, pretty cool, but not comparable to MT.
ATF is a hybridized/stabilized, more of a Sativa(60?40) version of MT.
as i said ive growen it a few times, but honestly wouldnt again, at least not as a primary plant.
its very strange, and if i didnt know any better i would of thought it was a mold....
good stuff, fun and easy to grow, but the THC% people quote, for this strain or others, is not the standard by any means, but rather an indicator of its capabilities. most of this depends on the grower, and many other factors.
Manatuska is pretty awesome though, a real unique LandRace.
there is a neighboring valley to manatustka which has its own indigenous cannabis,,, the name of the valley is the name of the strain, and im not remembering it atm, but it starts with a T.
its there, pretty cool, but not comparable to MT.
ATF is a hybridized/stabilized, more of a Sativa(60?40) version of MT.
as i said ive growen it a few times, but honestly wouldnt again, at least not as a primary plant.
From what I can tell from living here in Alaska all my life is, that MTF is just a good name drop for strong indica strains. I have talked to soooo many people, growers and dealers alike. I have come across far too many bags of the supposed MTF, they were never quite the same but I will admit they were potent.
It seems MTF was most likely lost at one point, it was big a quite a while back, from what I can tell it was something the older generation of growers had(people in there 60-70s). Now adays I would find it hard to believe that anyone growing the original strain in Alaska unless you live out in the woods somewhere far from civilization.
It seems MTF was most likely lost at one point, it was big a quite a while back, from what I can tell it was something the older generation of growers had(people in there 60-70s). Now adays I would find it hard to believe that anyone growing the original strain in Alaska unless you live out in the woods somewhere far from civilization.
PIP, Not sure about the strain your mentioning but Yukon gold was another classic strain ( although it probably didn't grow in Yukon Canada but in Alaska.
Anyway, story I heard was that indica was a cutting that was circulated that disappeared d/t fed raids in the 90s after the recriminalizing of growing and possession. I always wondered if plants in Alaska are grown in door only in the valley or acliminated to flowering early and its short growiing cycle. Maybe either of you two know better. heard both. But the MTF I tasted got me stoned in the psychedlic realm one hit wonder pure indica but with a good head, taste, super stone in the psychedlic realm- one hit wonder shit. I know the genes survive through other strains. One of best quality indica highs ever. Alot of good weed comes out of the great state of Alaska. Its a beautiful place- had relatives from Seward but to Anchorage, matsu-valley, and Eagle River at various times- beautiful state of breathtaking beauty of the little I saw where American individual and protection against government intrusion is protected compared to other states. MTF disappeared in 95' I think. I smoked it in 93' or 92' I think.
Anyway, story I heard was that indica was a cutting that was circulated that disappeared d/t fed raids in the 90s after the recriminalizing of growing and possession. I always wondered if plants in Alaska are grown in door only in the valley or acliminated to flowering early and its short growiing cycle. Maybe either of you two know better. heard both. But the MTF I tasted got me stoned in the psychedlic realm one hit wonder pure indica but with a good head, taste, super stone in the psychedlic realm- one hit wonder shit. I know the genes survive through other strains. One of best quality indica highs ever. Alot of good weed comes out of the great state of Alaska. Its a beautiful place- had relatives from Seward but to Anchorage, matsu-valley, and Eagle River at various times- beautiful state of breathtaking beauty of the little I saw where American individual and protection against government intrusion is protected compared to other states. MTF disappeared in 95' I think. I smoked it in 93' or 92' I think.
panic in paradise
Bluelighter
i wanted to mention Yukon, and these undisclosed Grizzly hybrids are supposedly made up out of N territory indigenous strains.
im not thinking of Yukon Gold, i used to drink the hell out of that stuff.
all stabilized stains will have their own distinguishing traits, but not all Cabernet Sauvignon is equal either. the grower, and/or growing conditions will make or break the plant.
im not thinking of Yukon Gold, i used to drink the hell out of that stuff.
all stabilized stains will have their own distinguishing traits, but not all Cabernet Sauvignon is equal either. the grower, and/or growing conditions will make or break the plant.
Chainer
Bluelighter
Way to bump a topic from that dead that belongs in Strain Discussion anyway.
Don't bump year old threads unless your post adds content, especially if we have a specific thread for this already.
I can merge this thread, but it would come out so wacky because of how old it is. If you have any further Qs on MVTF, ask away in Strain Discussion.
Don't bump year old threads unless your post adds content, especially if we have a specific thread for this already.
I can merge this thread, but it would come out so wacky because of how old it is. If you have any further Qs on MVTF, ask away in Strain Discussion.
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