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chiball66

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i searched the forums but couldn't find anything....

does taking tobacco out of the end of a cigarette and loading it with weed have similar effects with the filter left on it as just smoking weed out of a pipe or joint?

in other words, does the filter filter out a noticable amount of thc?
 
I tried this, the effects are greatly diminished, but its less harsh... What I like to do is take out the filter and replace it with some rolled up cardboard. One of my friends said that the THC is filtered out.

Neways just roll a j, u will use less weed, and neways no matter what it looks like, if it smells like weed it must be weed. Don't try to hide it!
 
DrEIMiller said:
I dont think the filter removes the thc - if it does, it's negligible, seriously.

Yeah of course it filters out the THC, thats why its called a filter....
 
lol, i only did it cause my campus is strict on all things. and i don't know the town yet to go for a "blunt ride". so, i did what i had to do. and i don't have any wraps on me. don't know where to buy them yet around here.

plus, with a menthol cigarette it makes the weed all mentholy and good.
 
DrEIMiller said:
I dont think the filter removes the thc - if it does, it's negligible, seriously.

You're completely wrong.. Cannabinoids are extremely sticky, the filter will filter out a significant amount of active compounds, don't use one.
 
Blowmonkey said:
You're completely wrong.. Cannabinoids are extremely sticky, the filter will filter out a significant amount of active compounds, don't use one.

Amen.



Nice avatar mate. Btw, did you get my DXM question? Was my inbox full again (I'm so popular of course :D)?
 
^ Nope, I just have a habit of reading PM's and then forgetting to reply.. :D

I'll get back to you in a couple of hours, first I'm making dinner! :)
 
i used to stuff empty ciggies with weed, just for ease and to look like a ciggie, but i was young and stupid... and i did notice have to smoke like 2 and half packed ciggies of weed to get the similar high of one proper rolled J... stick with the papers and cardboard.:)
 
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Well I stand corrected then. However, I've always gotten just as high when I haven't removed the filter.

And I have read in some other boards people who have the same opinion as I. I haven't read anything factual that supports either view though. I would be interested in seeing that.
 
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Ahh, ok, well I kind of randomly found this on a thread at overgrow. It says up to 30% of the cannabinoids can be removed by a cigarette filter. That number seems awfully high. I know that I wasn't only 70% as high and I wasn't smoking more bud than I would normally.

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"Franjo Grotenhermen
The major strategies to reduce the risks of smoking are:

The use of cannabis strains with high THC content. (...)

The use of pure cannabis. Sometimes cannabis is smoked together with tobacco or other dried herbs. This procedure should be avoided to minimize the inhalation of smoke from burnt plant material.

The use of pipes. Pipes are superior to cigarettes in some situations in that they easily allow the patient to smoke small amounts of pure high-grade cannabis. The percentage of tars in the smoke is reduced by condensation on the pipe walls. Pipes should be cleaned frequently. Water pipes are inferior to cigarettes and should be avoided.

The use of cannabis that is free of natural contaminants and adulterants. Only disease-free cannabis should be harvested and air-dried.

The use of inhalation devices that reduce output of tars. Gieringer tested vaporizers that heat marijuana to 180-190°C vaporizing THC below the burning point of cellulose and other plant material. The production of polycyclic hydrocarbons was reduced. The best vaporizer delivered 10 parts of tar to one part of cannabinoids, cannabis cigarettes yielded a ratio of 13:1 (average), and water pipes an average of 27:1 (...). Thus, the best vaporizers achieved a performance ratio about 25% higher than the unfiltered cannabis cigarette, while water pipes were less favorable than cigarettes. The use of a filter in a cannabis cigarette was not advantageous since it not only filtered the tars, but also the cannabinoids. Indeed, the performance ratio was decreased by about 30% compared to the unfiltered cigarette.

In a new study Gieringer was able to demonstrate that combustion products were substantially reduced by using another vaporizer. The used device produced THC at a temperature of 185°C while completely eliminating benzene, toluene and naphthalene. Significant amounts of benzene began to appear at temperatures of 200°C, while combustion occurred around 230°C or above. Traces of THC were in evidence as low as 140°C. Carbon monoxide and tars were both qualitatively reduced by the vaporizer, but were not quantificated in this study. However, a significant reduction of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons was assumed since vaporized cannabis emitted a thin gray vapor and the plant material was left with a green to greenish-brown "toasted" appearance, whereas the combusted sample produced thick smoke and turned to ash. (...)

Combination of oral use and inhalation. In several indications, a combined regime of a basic oral medication with cannabis or THC and a demand inhaled medication may be useful to reduce risks from smoking and from possible overdosage with oral administration.

Grotenhermen F. Harm reduction associated with inhalation and oral administration of cannabis and THC. Journal of Cannabis Therapeutics 2001, in press."
 
I reckon the filter stops you getting as stoned, I mean, using a roach rather than a filter is normal practice and theres got to be a reason for that!
 
If you shop around a bit, you can find good quality tobacco stores that sell filter tubes, filters, and good tobacco. ;-) There are filters out there that are half hallow with a sort of X pattern in the back end of them. Unfortunately the company that sold them as a complete tube is not around anymore, but you can always roll your own with it. It's a bit more effort to find tubes without a filter, but they do sell them and the afforementioned "X-pattern" filters.

The only advantage to this is discretion. If it looks just like a regular cigarette, people will assume it is just like a regular cigarette. It's going to cut down the amount of THC you get from it, maybe 20-30%. There are plenty of times when discretion is a better course of action if you are going to be out & about.

When I rolled these I would always mix a slight amount of tobacco in it, and both ends of it would be entirely tobacco as a small amount tends to fall out of any tube, and you aren't going to smoke them all of the way down to the filter.

A box of premium tubes can be had for under $3, tools for making you own from tubes can be had in the $4-12 range (depending on what you want), and really good tobacco in the $15-20/lb range.

I generally roll my own tobacco cigarettes. Better smoke, less chemicals, more potent, and cheaper. The tax-a-holics haven't yet decided to tax loose tobacco at the same excessive rate as prerolled.
 
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