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Cunning Linguist

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Surely there's a problem here?

Can you be high and remember things? I haven't found a way yet, maybe someone could develope a non-amnesiac strain of bud for me to smoke. Genetic engineering or something. Are the dutch onto that?

I don't think it's likely, will have to smoke less, boohoo:(

Seriously, can anyone turn up to lectures blazed and recall most of what you were told or does it mess your memory up?
 
I dunno, I retain about the same amount stoned or straight...If i'm straight, I think about getting high, so I never pay attention anyway =D

I'm probably more focused in class while high...except if its a 2 hour lecture, then i start to dreg out and feel a bit tired and shitty...sometimes I'll go home half-way through a lecture (during the 5-10 min break) and punch on again...a herbal refreshment always recharges my batteries and gets my mind back on track. I sometimes remember stuff, but thats what lecture notes are for dude ;)
 
I definitely can't quite remember everything that happens when I'm baked, which is most of the time. It's caused me to reflect upon the situation a couple times. It's like.. the strong urge to gain knowledge I've had for a long time is negated by the pot smoking.

I mean, I like smoking pot too, but I don't know that it's worth it..
 
I can rememeber anything some says while Im stoned. Something I actually sometimes study or do homework when Im stoned (which is most of the time).
I think its all in your head
 
They research is there guys, WHILE you are high, your ability to learn is seriously impacted.

The real question is, afterwards, does it effect your brain?
 
The real question is, afterwards, does it effect your brain?
For me, most definetely. If I've been smoking all week and then stop, my memory is quite sloppy for 2 - 3 days afterwards, short-term memory that is.
 
^ yeh me too, i notice some residual "dumbening" for a few days

however, I feel more physically fit and healthy, like my body is running better as a whole, and my sense of hearing, taste, and smell are much better. my sense of sight is worse, tho <- this is all in the no smoke days after ive been smoking a while
 
OK, this may sound crazy, but I have tried studying twice while high. Both times, the results have been unbelievable.. I dunno what it is. I think its just that I find studying bearable (even FUN!?!) when I'm high. This motivates me to study hours at a time until I have it DOWN...

results:
psychology exam - A
studied for just over 2 hours when I was REALLY baked

civics test - 96%
studied for around 80mins... again, REALLY stoned

Otherwise, my memory has not been affected by weed AT ALL. I think, similar to buzzkills, it's all in your head. People need to stop spreading all this shit, and it will magically stop happening. 8(
 
however, I feel more physically fit and healthy, like my body is running better as a whole, and my sense of hearing, taste, and smell are much better.
Same. I won't kid myself, my life would be better without marijuana (in the traditional sense, school/job/health) but I always end up smoking again (I've quit probably 15 times). Smoking marijuana makes my schooling much harder, particularlly because I'm doing advanced subjects. Since I started smoking, my fitness has gone downhill.

I'm not blaming the drug, but myself... it makes me sad to think what I used to be before I started smoking.

Damn, that's it, I'm going to quit.
 
Incident, it is real. People do have trouble learning while high. The two times you didn't have any trouble, doesn't mean you're right..

Cunning Linguist said:
Can you be high and remember things? I haven't found a way yet, maybe someone could develope a non-amnesiac strain of bud for me to smoke. Genetic engineering or something. Are the dutch onto that?

Yeah we are, probably finished by tomorrow..
 
Pot good for the noggin

A healthy percentage of the total aquired knowledge that I hold can be accredited to being under the influence in some way or another. Alcohol is the only drug I've personally come across that makes me totally black out (damned tequila), and that doesn't happen often (thank god for high-school parties). I remember everything after full days of getting high. It may take me awhile to pinpoint the data I'm looking for in memory, but I eventually "lock on" and can get everything else from that day in order.

Now that I think about it, memory manipulation in altered states does take a bit of practice to master, but it can be done with ease when one learns to. Approach obsticals in your life as if they were puzzles that need to be conqured. If you come to an obstical and say,"I cannot go any further," then you will cease to go further! Dealing with memory when high is just another puzzle to master.

-Zoad
 
It could be the fact that i go through high to stoned most of the time. But saying that I used to have trouble reading when high, my eyes would flicker round the page and i'd lose concentration. Pictures!

From http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ the good drug guide:

Yet marijuana is not a wonderdrug. Cognitive function in the user is often impaired, albeit moderately and reversibly. Marijuana interferes with memory-formation by disrupting long-term potentiation in the hippocampus. One of the functions of endogenous cannabinoids in the brain is to promote selective short-term amnesia.
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Of course studying is more entertaining while high, but i can't remember all my great ideas. I always have a pen and paper to hand in case i think of a cure for cancer or a way to fire people into space.
 
I find a couple puffs on the ol' one-hit do wonders for attentiveness in my less-than-exciting classes, but only to an extent. Usually my note-taking slows down considerably, so I end up with impeccable notes, but also end up writing everything down three sentences behind, so I miss a lot, too. Anything more than, say, three one-hits is too much for my attention span, though.
 
Cunning Linguist said:

From http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ the good drug guide:

Yet marijuana is not a wonderdrug. Cognitive function in the user is often impaired, albeit moderately and reversibly. Marijuana interferes with memory-formation by disrupting long-term potentiation in the hippocampus. One of the functions of endogenous cannabinoids in the brain is to promote selective short-term amnesia.

Remember that these statements are draw from studies involving many unique people and pot's effects vary proportionaly the personality of the individual and thier experience with altered states. Scientists can see chemically what is going on, but they do not know yet how those chemicals effect the personality and it is the personality which interacts with or rather creates the observed effects.

If short-term amnesia is observed in studies (mind you, this is an external observation by the researchers), it is because the participants don't yet know how to handle that aspect of pot. Furthermore it is inaccurate to say that pot interferes with memory-formation since memory is constantly being formed. What makes a difference is whether or not the individual recognizes outer sense data with that memory. The sense data IS there, but the individual may not associate strongly with it. This is a sign that internal, mental events were taking presidence over outer/physical events at the time, thus making the outer sense data irrelivant (please excuse the shitty spelling).

The cognative function is still there where you're high, just not in ways that you may obviously notice.

I'm not saying its a wonderdrug, either. Pot does one thing and it does it well. But there is a lot of dogma built up around such a simple drug. When studies are done, they are in a way, already biased toward the popular opinion.

This is already too long, sorry, I just tend to type on...
-Zoad
 
Zoad, are you saying that there is a method to handle the short-term amnesia? I'd like to hear that.

Admittedly my concentration is poor sometimes, which could go some way to explain my bad memory.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Zoad, are you saying that there is a method to handle the short-term amnesia? I'd like to hear that.

Admittedly my concentration is poor sometimes, which could go some way to explain my bad memory.

Now, please, I am not negating your experience or somehow dissing you. I am not flaming you or posting a message just for the purposes of dissagreing. Your experience is valid in terms of what you're individual personality is. That is my main message. As far as a method of action in order to take conscience control of your memories, the method may be as unique as your personality.

The method, as you are fond of methods, is what you have to explore. When you first acknowledge that a memory may not be recognized, do not automatically assume that the memory is not there. If you convince yourself of this, then you should never bring yourself far enough to explore the experiences that you hold. Beliefs, even as insignificant as this, will hamper your explorations. If you beleive that you do not hold experience, then you will never look to what experience you have. This is very important, especially with the mechanics of pot.

Pot, as I have said elsewhere, relaxes your grip on the state of mind that you identify as "sober". After this relaxation, you're beleifs automatically set your state of mind, in a manner of speaking. This is not to say that you do not have control, for you always have control if you are recognizing of your control. You let pot bring you where you think it should it to go. If you beleive that it has medical effects, then it does. If you believe that it will put you to sleep, then it does. If you believe that it hampers your memory, then it does.

But please notice that it is not the pot which brings upon these effects, it is you! If you are forgetting something when you are high and you believe that pot interrupts memory, then you will say to yourself "This pot is hampering me... what is it that I need to remember? If only I could remember something... but I am high and I can't remember anything! I'm sure there was something that I had to remember..." And you concern yourself with remembering something so much that you don't trust yourself enough to recall what you need to remember!

The power in a belief relies on the trust put behind it, and pot relaxes your hold upon beliefs. This is not to say that you don't trust your beliefs when your high, but you are much more willing to explore other beliefs. If you don't trust something when your high that you do fine when your not high, then you will have great difficulty accomplishing that something when you're high.

You can ask a lot of people about driving experiences, for example. The experienced and trusting people will tell you that driving while high is no problem and sometimes more enjoyable, while the people who don't trust themselves have great difficulty driving and experience confusion. While high, if you are trusting yourself, you can drive yourself all the way home and ask yourself when you get there,"Wow, how the hell did I get all the way over here? I don't remember a god-damned thing." But you are home non-the-less. If you are driving home and you do not trust yourself, you may question every turn and bring yourself to Canada and still not trust where you are.

But if you must incorporate a method, first identify what you are looking for, then know that what you are looking for is there. If you trust that is it there, then you will not waste time negotiating with yourself on whether or not you actually remember the detail, for you actually remember everything, it is only what you identify with that you consciencely remember. The trick then, is moving what is subconscience into the conscience. Once you know it is there, then grab ahold of whatever small details you can and gradually reincoporate the original information. The action of remembering is itself more akin to setting yourself into the state of mind that you were in at the conception of the memory. Grabbing ahold of what details you can is basicly a trick you use to do this. Quicker access can be gained through the mastery of being able to switch your state of mind at will, which also uses trust.

-Zoad
 
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