Tryptamines Maintaining Unique Mushroom Effects Profile In Concentrates

[Esperighanto]

Hey mushroom enthusiasts,

Since buying the Psilocybin Mushroom Cookbook by Virginia Haze and Dr K. Mandrake, I've been experimenting with milk based extracts like they use for the milkshakes, and crystalized sugars made from alcohol extracts. In the past I've found everclear extracts of mushrooms to only last 6-8 weeks before becoming essentially useless due to potency degradation, not lasting much longer than water based extracts, even if frozen into ice cubes.

What I noticed though was that putting these into honey or other sugar filled concentrates like the "shatter" recipe in that book (think lollipops or rock candy) allegedly last essentially infinitely without noticeable potency degradation. I'm very interested in how alcohol extracts maintain the unique effect profile of the kind of mushroom you use, everclear infused with APEs vs pan cyans vs normal cubensis fungi are all noticeably different, mimicking the mushrooms from which they were extracted.

Has anybody here ever had luck with either extending the lifespan of (or reviving) ethanol extracts, or can anybody here vouch for those honey/sugar extracts lasting at least a few years?

Thanks for any info!

 

[someguyontheinternet]

How long do ethanol extracts usually last?

 

[Esperighanto]

How long do ethanol extracts usually last?

6-8 weeks max, with slight noticeable degradation around the 4 week point it seems. This was using 95% ethanol 5% water, lab grade ethanol added a few weeks to the lifespan but I think there was still a lack of fully anhydrous conditions due to opening the vial to use it at points. Maybe storing lab grade, pure ethanol under inert atmosphere in single doses would get it to last a wicked long time, but it seems like atmospheric exposure made a noticeable difference with the pure ethanol.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Oh, you're storing it in ethanol not evaporating?

 

[Esperighanto]

Oh, you're storing it in ethanol not evaporating?

I would do three separate pulls, evapping each pull and then combining them. First and second pulls felt stronger than third pills but I couldn't tell for sure and didn't have access to analytical tools at the time, but I did notice that the less time I ran evaps for, the longer the final product would last.

Many of these tinctures also tasted heinous as fuck, but with citric acid added they tasted marginally better and also lasted longer by maybe a week or two. I turned about 12 oz total into tincture over maybe a year or so running these experiments.

 

[Didgital]

My homie did some degradation studies on psilocin (not psilocybin). Found it was very unstable in H2O, moderately unstable in EtOH, and very stable in MeOH. Not sure how to extend EtOH extract shelf life w/o evaporation. Evaporating and maybe storing in a sugar matrix is the way to go. I once had a psilocybin infused honey, and it was good for at least a year. It was also purple!

 

[Esperighanto]

My homie did some degradation studies on psilocin (not psilocybin). Found it was very unstable in H2O, moderately unstable in EtOH, and very stable in MeOH. Not sure how to extend EtOH extract shelf life w/o evaporation. Evaporating and maybe storing in a sugar matrix is the way to go. I once had a psilocybin infused honey, and it was good for at least a year. It was also purple!

I've heard people anecdotally claim blue honey can last over a decade if it's dry enough and sealed air tight, but it's usually from weirdo boomer hippies who believe in chemtrails and shit, so I take what they say with a mouthful of grains of salt. I wonder how effectively gel tabs could be made for this, I saw a gel tab mold that was 5"x5", as a 10x10 grid of 1/2"x1/2" tabs.

Maybe that could fit, if potent enough pan cyans (full dose being a gram at most) adequately dissolved to fit 50g in a small amount enough of ethanol to fit in the gelatin, then set somehow. Half a gram of TTBVI, Estero or MIB pan cyans will absolutely be noticeable without being too overwhelming for people, so it might be a good middle ground as far as potency goes.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I've blended dried powdered mushrooms with honey 3 times of they've near completely lost their potency within 6 months each time.

I just stick with 4-aco-dmt these days. It's stable for at least a year dissolved in propylene glycol.

Maybe you could try using PG for an extraction instead of ethanol? Even everclear is 10% water, PG as I understand it is 0% which also means no oxygen and at least in theory, no oxidization.