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Lying to get paid for clinical trial.

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Basically im flat fucking broke and am having a really hard time getting a job. So I am on craigslist today and see an ad for a clinical trial for a new anti-depressant so I fill out the questionare to see if I qualify. I had to lie and say im already taking venalfaxine which is only half a lie cause I am prescribed to it I just never started taking it :\. I also said I could pass a drug test which I can as long as its not supervised ;). I think this is the drug they are trialing Agomelatine. Its a meletonin based drug that somehow blocks seretonin. The study pays 800 dollars which would be amazing. My question is for anyone who has participated in a clinical trial how long does it take to get paid? How do they know you are actually taking the drug? Do you think they will test me to make sure im actually taking the venalfaxine? I know this is wrong but im broke and desperate.
 
getting an actual job is going to pay a lot more, and get you plugged into the working would, where its actually easier to get the employment you want. I wouldn't bother with this— its a distraction and a waste of your time in the long run.
 
My friend went through a clinical trial about 10 years ago. He said it was a lot of bullshit. Yeah they take a lot of blood and urine so you would have to take the drugs.
 
There's a magazine published by people who do these tests for a living. Some reportedly make as much as $50,000 a year, but they're driving all over the country to show up for different clinic's qualifying tests and they maintain as "normal" a condition as they can muster (or at least the clinician's perception of normal). This means you can't smoke, drink much, do any drugs anytime close to the tests, and you need ideal body weight and healthy readings and medical history on all the basics (though this varies by clinic and pay grade). The magazine's motto is "work is for suckers." They claim to have a lot more free time than most career people, but to keep it up their schedule is totally at the mercy of the clinic's. It's really easy to be disqualified for a high-paying trial, too. For example, if you even so much as have a couple drinks within three days of qualification tests your liver enzymes are likely to be elevated beyond their criteria. And yes, the people that make that kind of money say it requires them to lie constantly (never depressed, not even any mild allergies, etc.). Still, even if you're disqualified you get a bunch of medical tests/reports for free (liver enzymes, EKG, STD tests, white blood cell count, blood pressure). For most people it only makes sense if your temporary unemployment just happens to coincide exactly with a time the test and trial is conducted and you have nothing better to do (you're stuck at a clinic with no visitors for weeks on end for some). Payment is only in full if you complete the maximum number of days in a trial, and they can kick you out at any time. The check comes after follow up interviews or in segments as interviews are completed. Oh, and of course there's the whole thing about being a guinea pig to test the tolerance levels for a drug that may kill you or fuck you up in some other way if that's what the trial is for. If you ask the right questions you can get a good idea of the drug class, mechanism of action, and what other drugs it might be related to in order to better assess your risk, but they don't just give the info out without being pressed.

Yes, I attempted to do this once during a summer while finishing school when I was going to be moving far away in a couple months (at the protests of my girlfriend and family, heh). I made it through all the qualifying but then got rejected because my white blood cell count was elevated during the last test (never did get sick or anything, though - the tests were just oversensitive so I got fucked out of it).
 
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Speaking as someone who earns his living, among other things, designing and executing clinical trials: DON"T FUCKING DO THAT. Clinical trials, especially pharmaceutical ones, are incredibly expensive in both money and person-hours. If there are restrictions/knockout conditions, they are there for a reason. At best, you'll wind up excluded from the data if they catch it; most likely you'll wind up either as a head-scratching outlier, or otherwise fucking up their data; at worst there'll be an interaction and you could wind up causing yourself real damage.

Find another way to get money. If you fuck over a clinical trial, you're potentially throwing to waste tens of thousands of person-hours. For what? A couple hundred bucks, tops? I'm sure that there's a ditch needs digging somewhere, really.
 
I should have been more clear in my original post. I do have depression its just that I am not currently on an ssri because they dont work for me. I plan on taking the medication offered in the study. I cant pass a drug test because of weed but I would be curios to know if they will test me for the effexor but I somehow doubt it. I dont see how I would fuck up the study. I am probably going to go in for the initial interview see what they have to say and go from there. I doubt I am going to do it honestly but I think it will be interesting to see what they have to offer.
 
Oh, well that's different. Go in, talk to them, but be honest. They'll tell you if they think that there's a potential for interaction or what have you.
 
Find something else. All you'd be doing is fucking up their data. Either a dangerous drug gets passed, or a lifesaving drug gets denied because of your deceit.
 
Its a meletonin based drug that somehow blocks seretonin.
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eeek i would pass on that lol i took some sleep aid that was supposed to increase melatonin and it made me nuts lol and block serotonin or stop re-uptake?

did you ever call them?
 
In my country they do these clinical trials on people who are absolutely clueless.
For example if you have cancer and go to a hospital you might receive a new untested drug, a placebo, or the standard treatment - but most patients have no idea that they are guinea pigs.
 
Hang on ONE SECOND. There's places that PAY you money to take drugs? and you get these drugs, free?

Hang on, are these the tests were you get high or not?

"New VERY cheap, sythectic(semi) Morphine-like drug to be produced - users will need to begin oral then over 2weeks move to IV £700/week. USERS MUST NOT OF USED BUPRENORPHINE IN PAST year if so ask, or methadone. User much be off/clean and non-tolerent AS DOSES WILL BE LOW - the drug appears to be quite safe but as strong as morphine/diamorphine IV/IV is 1.5-2.5x (mean) ORAL BA is 30%-70% but TBC the drug is MMM or 4MMM 4,methymethMorphine week 1-4 will be a low to a mod/strong oral dose then nasal sprays and sc/im/iv will be done adjusting dose the user WILL BE NOT be allowed to drive due to rescrictions and orally must dose 4x day and 6x for IV

DAMMIT so lets see my tolerence is at, ummm *SIGNS UP @ 4 diff clinics" KAA CHING! 6months to be paid get doped rightup.
 
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eeek i would pass on that lol i took some sleep aid that was supposed to increase melatonin and it made me nuts lol and block serotonin or stop re-uptake?

did you ever call them?
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There supposed to call me in the next few days I actually got something in the mail from the drug company today saying I would be contacted in the next 5 days. But I think im gonna pass I mean 800 bucks is nice get high money but I think my seretonin system might be worth more then that. Im pretty sure this is the drug they are studying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine. But they just said its an antidepressant so its an educated guess on my part.
 
800 bucks O_O lol sounds good but ya the price you pay is uh

I was looking at some clinical trials and there is one here in Houston testing OxyContin with naloxone I was like wtf lol why would anyone want that. Sounds yuck imo
 
Having just interviewed for one of the biggest clinical trials facilities in Canada, I can tell you that there is almost no chance of fooling them. The whole point of having these trials is for them to be bullet-proof so that they can get FDA approval for the drug. They close up all loopholes and won't hesitate to reject you if something isn't right.
 
I didnt even set up the appointment. After alot of thought I decided 800 dollars is not worth it for all the BS i would have had to do.
 
ive signed up with some market research company over 2 years ago and not yet received an invite for a clinical trial. $800 is good money not to be sniffed at
 
ive done a few. both times they make you fill out a ton of paperwork like living will and all this stuff that basically doesnt hold whoever liable should you od lol.

i made like 600 on my first one and then around 1500 for the second one. both were inpatient tho so i spent about 15days first one and about 30 second one. they kept a heparin lock in me at all times pretty much, always taking blood. wasnt a bad option since i was broke and homeless at the time. 3 hots a bed and all the dilaudid and cigs i could take! they actually sold a few diff types of cigs at the nurses station.

the bulk of the money is given to what they call the compltetion bonus, which makes it tough to make much$ if you dont do the whole thing. Both inpatient ones i did were for opaite study and i also did a test trial for the new suboxone strips tho i was in the group that recieved a pill that was supposed to be diff but i couldnt tell..anyways, it an option i guess, but look at the fine details.

as for lying, i fiduged the truth in some instances about how much i was doing. ymmv.
 
Okay, I have been to 3 screenings for 3 different medical studies. Each of them you will need to take part in numerous screenings/ piss tests/ blood tests/ECG tests etc. Most won't take a participant if they are on -any- drugs in the last 6 weeks, prescription or not. Of course you can blag it by being sneaky, but I can imagine it being alot harder when they want to take random urine samples.

The three screenings I took part all had medical studies lasting between around 6 weeks in total, including up to 14 days in hospital. There will also be numerous follow ups and you will need to attend all the follow ups to receive the full amount. You won't get paid for at least a week or two after completion of the study, so really about 6-8 weeks to receive any money, unless you're lucky.

Honestly man, apply and go for it but don't rely on this as a source of money. If you fail one test you'll be fucked!
 
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