• Find All Reports by Search Term
    Find Reports
    Find Tagged Reports by Substance
    Substance Category
    Specific Substance
    Find Reports
  • Trip Reports Moderator: Cheshire_Kat

(LSD/5 blotters, suspected 500+ug) - 2yr user - HELL

EndProhibitionNow

Greenlighter
Joined
May 14, 2013
Messages
35
Had posted this somewhere else looking for insights and advice but deleted that because I realized it was more of a trip report.

About a month ago my life changed to say the least. I ingested 5 tabs of clean (tested) LSD and found myself in what has to be the most vicious and confusing thought loops I have ever heard. Background on my usage: weekly MDMA u, and LSD/shroom trips 2-3 times/month for almost 2 years. No previous bad trips, no mental illnesses.

Ate the 5 tabs and for 20 minutes felt as if I was going to have the most rewarding and visual trip of my life. I watched my brother play a colorful video game and appreciated all sorts of lovely patterns. Went to the bathroom and everything was still normal. I came back and immediately started repeating myself 10's of times...."these kids at work are fucking stupid". over and over and over. My brother is an inexperienced sitter and thought something was wrong so he made me come outside to take a walk which I believe was a mistake even though he had my best intentions at heart. Because I was still coherent and knew my anxiety was only caused by the acid.

Less than a hundred feet down the street is when the light switch turned and something went terribly wrong. I knew my name but had very very veryyyyy little knowledge of my life up to that point. I believe the loop was driven mainly by word, letter and number association...extremely difficult to describe but I think I had a word associated with each letter of the alphabet and each digit. I knew with absolute certainty that this was my eternity...and my brother made a mistake and reinforced my idea by saying "this isn't real, you're in an infinite cycle". As he held my wrist and walked me down the street my thoughts became more obscure, abstract and frightful. Numerous times I would break away from him and sprint a short distance only to suddenly stop. He'd grab me and try to talk me down, and I'd run again. Eventually he decided he couldn't handle the situation and called our parents to handle the situation. This whole time I felt CONSTANT deja vu and feelings of helplessness and eternity. I've been lost in other realms before but have still been completely ME. Not this trip, I was a completely different person in a completely different time and universe which I've never seen before.

This is where things get really dark. The 3 of them walked me back to the house and tried sitting with me in my room and showing me things I love to try and break the cycle as well as trying to convince me it was only the drugs...but I didn't believe I was on drugs at all. It wasn't drugs, it was the infinite cycle. I would close my eyes and get lost in thought for 10 minutes at a time, then suddenly open my eyes and scream obscenities at the top of my lungs and throw things, tense all my muscles and generally go insane. Each episode I felt like time was running out more and more (even though I couldn't comprehend life being any different and had NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE PREVIOUS EPISODES). Each one started anew and each one became more intense. I sustained multiple cuts, abrasions and bruises from self mutilating and wildly slapping and kicking objects.

During the peak of the trip and the most intense cycle I stripped naked in front of my family and ran out of the house about a half mile away. They chased me the whole way and my dad finally tackled me and restrained me against the pavement. My mom called the police while me and my father struggled and fought with each other. The police came, restrained me with multiple zip-ties and handcuffs on my wrists and ankles. When the 2 cops lifted me into the air I was convinced they were going to slam me into the pavement repeatedly and kill me which was perfectly ok with me. But instead they sped to the hospital where on arrival I was put into leather restraints on a stretcher and taken into the ER.

In the ER they assigned 3 constables to watch over me while only male nurses hooked me up with heart monitors, IV's etc. When I would wake up out of my deep thought now I would sit up and pull and struggle against the restraints and kick the rail of the bed which caused me to put a huge gash on my heel and scream 1 of 3 things : "666 the number of the beast" , "**GGER **GGER *GGER", or "BLOW ME". (I'm not racist at all so this completely confuses me as to where this came from. also not religious and don't believe in satan). Being in the hospital made me think that I was from a very advanced, future form of earth and I was from the past, and a malfunctioning human of some type. As if they figured out the glitch a long time ago and I was the last one left.

On IV I was given a mega dose of xanax and possibly valium as well and went into a deep sleep only waking up every now and then to see a constable hovering over me. When I came to at about 11 in the afternoon the cycle was broken and I was back to being myself again, but thought everything from the night before wasn't real. Until my mom came into the room and I knew it was all real.

The loop itself and what caused it and what thoughts I were caught in are complex, difficult to describe, and fleeting. I am trying to pin down what could have broken it and what caused it but I think it's going to be a long process. One made more difficult because none of my family will talk about it...I remember some but my memory has tons of gaps I know they could fill in but it is just too painful for them to think about.

Even typing this or reading a sentence or two can give me the chills and leave my lightheaded. Safe to say I now take HR a bit more seriously and realize I may not be as strong minded as I thought. :\
 
Depersonalization, derealization, temporary psychosis, with deja vu as a cherry on top. Goddamn man.

I've lost reality during a 400ug trip, hell was had indeed, it spawned from a deja vu moment, though it was far more than deja vu, if I explained you'd call me insane. Almost led to my suicide actually. So I know what you went through, to some extent. Though I've yet to depersonalize during a trip.

I'm glad you're still alive, a trip like that is one to remember. See what you can gain from thinking back, if you can remember. It sounds odd and stupid, but seriously, do it. Things about yourself, those around you, and much much more will come back to you, and its a learning experience. The most revealing part of the trip typically come from going back through the events.

As for the dose, welcome to the 2000ug+ club, while you might not be proud to join, neither was I. Its an experience to keep with you forever.
 
It's interesting to me what you were yelling when you were strapped down to the stretcher in the hospital. It seems to me that you were just saying whatever the most offensive thing you could think of, since you had no other means of protesting your position, being strapped down and generally physically immobilized. You covered all your bases too: religion, sociopolitics, and sex! You've got 666 to offend the religious, 'negro' to offend the racially sensitive or politically correct, and propositioning for oral sex to unsettle sexual prudes. How else could you resist or show your displeasure at the whole situation (though it was of your own making and designed to ensure your safety) but by using your voice?
 
Looking to drop again soon at a lower dose of the same blotters....everyone cross your fingers I dont go back to that place 8)
 
You won't if you keep the dose low. High enough of a dose on any psych and you will get dissociated and depersonalized. There's always the risk, and that's why you need the experienced trip sitters, some haloperidol, and some xanax handy.
 
You won't if you keep the dose low. High enough of a dose on any psych and you will get dissociated and depersonalized. There's always the risk, and that's why you need the experienced trip sitters, some haloperidol, and some xanax handy.

I don't know if I buy that. If somebody is prone to psychotic breaks due to latent (or full fledged) mental issues then psychedelic drugs may cause that issue to flare up, and while large doses would likely make it a worse break than smaller doses, I think that the safe course is to not take them at all.

Why do you suggest all psychedelics can depersonalize or dissociate you? There's a number of PEAs, like 2C-B, that don't really cause ego death in the true fashion. Do you have reason to think that low doses will be surely safe and high doses will certainly dissociate?
 
I don't know if I buy that. If somebody is prone to psychotic breaks due to latent (or full fledged) mental issues then psychedelic drugs may cause that issue to flare up, and while large doses would likely make it a worse break than smaller doses, I think that the safe course is to not take them at all.

Why do you suggest all psychedelics can depersonalize or dissociate you? There's a number of PEAs, like 2C-B, that don't really cause ego death in the true fashion. Do you have reason to think that low doses will be surely safe and high doses will certainly dissociate?

One of my worst, most ego-destroying trips was on 2C-B actually. I didn't expect it to happen either, but a bad enough set and setting can do the trick.

I've known reasonably sane people to do crazy things on high doses; stripping naked is a pretty common one, getting into fights with strangers & cops, trying to climb unclimbable things, talking to lamp posts etc. I've also known genuinely crazy people to seriously shoot into outer space for long amounts of time after small amounts of psychedelics. I believe we all have the capacity to flip our shit. Take care of yourself OP!
 
Sounds like a pretty traumatic experience. Glad you're okay. It might be worth reading that book The Psychedelic Experience by Leary. It does a good job of describing the different states of high dose trips and could help you understand what you went through.

Getting that deep into the psychedelic experience without proper preparation and education on the concept of "ego-death" can be extremely traumatic and difficult to integrate into normal life. I've seen it happen to people who suffered quite badly for a long time after which has really shown me how important it is to understand as much as possible before it happens to you. If you can recognize the mind state as something normal while you're there you're less likely to freak out and begin on the horrible downward spiral of thought loops and paranoia.
 
Less than a hundred feet down the street is when the light switch turned and something went terribly wrong. I knew my name but had very very veryyyyy little knowledge of my life up to that point. I believe the loop was driven mainly by word, letter and number association...extremely difficult to describe but I think I had a word associated with each letter of the alphabet and each digit. I knew with absolute certainty that this was my eternity...and my brother made a mistake and reinforced my idea by saying "this isn't real, you're in an infinite cycle". As he held my wrist and walked me down the street my thoughts became more obscure, abstract and frightful. Numerous times I would break away from him and sprint a short distance only to suddenly stop. He'd grab me and try to talk me down, and I'd run again. Eventually he decided he couldn't handle the situation and called our parents to handle the situation. This whole time I felt CONSTANT deja vu and feelings of helplessness and eternity. I've been lost in other realms before but have still been completely ME. Not this trip, I was a completely different person in a completely different time and universe which I've never seen before.

Wow. I once 'sat' (in fact, it was more like a few hours of speedwalking) with a guy who had taken too much acid. I believe the above is a quite accurate description of what happened to him. Very similar.

By the way, I have no idea why people think that the police is in any way apt to helping people lost in a psychedelic experience. What they did to you is the only thing they know how to do, and it usually doesn't help lost trippers very much. Now, with you being violent I can see that they thought there was no other solution, but still... Being with you and not trying to talk you down would have probably the solution with the best outcome. Glad you came out ok though. :)
 
Fuck.. that trip sounds frightening!

oh it was for everybody involved. Me obviously, my family, even the large male nurses and constables seemed disturbed.

speaking of frightening...thinking of writing a short first person psychological thriller/horror tale about my life changing trip. Kind of a stream of consciousness thing. Something thatll really scare the shit out of people. You wont know that I dropped acid until the story is over because like I said, I didn't remember I was tripping. You'll simply be dropped right into my mind in the middle of the episode, no set-up, no context to keep you grounded in reality. Complete immersion into psychosis. Would anyone be interested in reading this?
 
Yeah interested. Thanks for the report as well, makes me remember the disturbing shit I occasionally go through myself on psychedelics.
 
Yeah, I'd read that!

I'm amazed you seem to have come through this unscathed. Well done! Some people have lingering psychological problems after a trip that bad, & rarely consider tripping again so soon after one.

After a frightening trip to the world between worlds back when I first started smoking weed, I've tried to avoid doses &/or drugs that might produce ego death or total dissociation. I prefer simply to enhance things that I am already enjoying whether that be a night out or a festival, a wilderness hike or a video game. I'm glad other people are prepared to venture deeper than I am prepared to go & tell the story, but I don't often read reports that make me think I've made the wrong decision...
 
A very good description of what my brother and I (both Bipolar) call... "The Repeats". Horrendous aren't they? You now have an appreciation of what "Eternity" means. If nothing else, it helps you to appreciate death. LOL. But seriously, "Time" is merely a concept. The mind "pastes" together memories from the "past" and ideas about the "future" so that time appears to be linear - moving in one direction only. When you're in an altered state of consciousness, your mind can come up with different constructs of time - including an "infinite loop". No mind-construct of time is TRUE. There is only NOW. And we are all stuck HERE. So sit back and enjoy the moment and try to develop a healthy scepticism towards your conditioned thought-stream which will tell you nothing but bullshit stories about what is going on around here... whether you're high or straight, sane or insane. As you undoubtedly know, "It was just the drugs" is not an adequate explanation for what you experienced. This could be your opportunity to move towards "Self-Realisation". If you're interested, I suggest that you do some research on "Non-Duality". Go well!
 
Last edited:
Top