Loperamide- am I gonna die?

[300couches]

I was on subs for nearly a decade. They ruined me. I had to get off before it destroyed my marriage, I couldn’t get off the couch.. I’m an old school junky.. my memories are of real heroin.. not fent. I fondly remember opiophile and believed “bloolight” was long gone. Anyway.. I am withdrawal scarred. My nervous system cannot handle being on the verge of wd or in wd. I quit subs 40 days ago with the help of loperamide and it’s working but I am scared of the dreaded long qt syndrome.

I quitsubs and started loperamide exactly one month and 8 days ago. I started with 30 loperamide (60 mg) and I’m now down to 20 lope pills (40 mg). I take 10 lopes twice a day. I tried once a day.. it would not stretch. I am trying to jump one lope pill every two days. I have very occasionally taken small amounts of kratom on certain days when I’ve dropped (I really feel it) I do not take kratom everyday however.

I’m starting to worry about my heart. and the scenarios over on Reddit scares me. Is what I am doing plausible? Can I get off this way? Everyone on Reddit says loperamide will be worse. I am desperate to not switch one addiction for the other and I’m not planning to stay on loperamide forever. If it truly is something that I won’t be able to stop taking, I’ll just go back to subs. So far I have been supplementing with potassium and magnesium. Do you think it’s possible to keep taking less lope to be scott free? Is this realistic? I don’t mind not feeling good.. but full blown, long and drawn out sub wds is not something I can do.

 

[Quasimoto]

Using loperamide as a long term substitute for subs is very unwise and unsustainable.

Do you actually feel a drop in dose from lope? After using it just a month? What are the symptoms? They are mostly peripheral at that dose.

I would highly encourage you to take a lot less lope, and just take more kratom, assuming you have good quality kratom.

My understanding of the literature is that the only deaths from 40-60mg daily range were from people who had congenital heart defects. Spontaneous death and severe cardiac trauma from healthier individuals start at around 70-100mg daily.

 

[300couches]

If I start taking kratom, I’ll never stop. That’s what I’m afraid of with kratom. I have no desire to take more loperamide.. just want to get off. I do feel a drop when I drop more than one pill a day. When I drop one pill every two days so far I’ve only been slightly uncomfortable. Thanks for answering.

 

[Halif2]

When I drop one pill every two days so far I’ve only been slightly uncomfortable.

It might be best for you to just keep on doing what you're doing if you've mostly stabilised on the lope and are decreasing. Whether you end up tapering with lope or subs, you'll have to jump at some point and there will be discomfort - there's just no way around that.

Anyway.. I am withdrawal scarred.

I truly understand. I've put myself through too many WDs and they seem to get worse every time. Getting older doesn't help, either.

I think what you're doing - slow taper from lope - is as good a way as any. It'll get harder as the dose gets lower, but if you have serious desire to get out of the prison of opioid dependency, I would advise against adding more potentially addictive stuff like kratom or benzos or alcohol. In my experience adding that stuff doesn't do much to help and ends up just dragging the whole experience out even further.

Good luck with it. You can get through it and be free.

 

[Cult315]

Take my advice with your personal substance control in mind, because while it did work for me in the past it no longer works because I’ve come to either like or tolerate my “tools” enough where they ended up becoming my next addiction

Back in the day when I’d come off opiates I’d use whatever I could to get through the first few days(benzos/benadryl/gabas/etc) and smoke some weed(I can no longer smoke weed myself but edibles also help). Weed always helped with the nausea and general dope sick feeling and the other stuff was to ease RLS and help sleep be a possibility. With most opiates I was always at my worst at day 3-4, usually more so 4 and I’d just get drunk as fuck. Absolutely as tanked as I could get without getting alcohol poisoning or dying. Half the time I’d pass out for long enough that I’d almost be through the next day already, wake up feeling horrendous and do it all over again. If I was still in WD the next day I’d be so hungover anyway I wouldn’t even care and just lay in bed throwing up all day until I passed back out and wake up the next day (hopefully) without any real WD symptoms, feeling like shit and continue on with life.

I know it sounds stupid, I know it sounds like a bad idea but if your problem isn’t with alcohol it will work. To me doing it the way I did made being drunk feel like torture which made it much easier to not turn to alcohol as a replacement for pills. Until I did years later lol

I still haven’t successfully gotten off subs, so you’re already doing better than me but if you manage to drink yourself into a stupor for a few days after cutting the lope off and not become sir alcohol it could be a good shot at getting off.

I’m currently off subs again with nothing to help other than Kratom which tbh really doesn’t do it for me. No matter how much I take I still feel pretty much full WD symptoms and if I do them for a few days and stop the WDs seem to get worse. I managed to stay off for a little while by using meth, fucked up, stayed on the meth and was never fully out of WD and ended back on subs AND meth, and had an alcohol addiction. Managed to kick the alcohol for the most part at this point, currently in bad WD from the subs and high on meth. Terrible feeling tbh

 

[300couches]

Take my advice with your personal substance control in mind, because while it did work for me in the past it no longer works because I’ve come to either like or tolerate my “tools” enough where they ended up becoming my next addiction

Back in the day when I’d come off opiates I’d use whatever I could to get through the first few days(benzos/benadryl/gabas/etc) and smoke some weed(I can no longer smoke weed myself but edibles also help). Weed always helped with the nausea and general dope sick feeling and the other stuff was to ease RLS and help sleep be a possibility. With most opiates I was always at my worst at day 3-4, usually more so 4 and I’d just get drunk as fuck. Absolutely as tanked as I could get without getting alcohol poisoning or dying. Half the time I’d pass out for long enough that I’d almost be through the next day already, wake up feeling horrendous and do it all over again. If I was still in WD the next day I’d be so hungover anyway I wouldn’t even care and just lay in bed throwing up all day until I passed back out and wake up the next day (hopefully) without any real WD symptoms, feeling like shit and continue on with life.

I know it sounds stupid, I know it sounds like a bad idea but if your problem isn’t with alcohol it will work. To me doing it the way I did made being drunk feel like torture which made it much easier to not turn to alcohol as a replacement for pills. Until I did years later lol

I still haven’t successfully gotten off subs, so you’re already doing better than me but if you manage to drink yourself into a stupor for a few days after cutting the lope off and not become sir alcohol it could be a good shot at getting off.

I’m currently off subs again with nothing to help other than Kratom which tbh really doesn’t do it for me. No matter how much I take I still feel pretty much full WD symptoms and if I do them for a few days and stop the WDs seem to get worse. I managed to stay off for a little while by using meth, fucked up, stayed on the meth and was never fully out of WD and ended back on subs AND meth, and had an alcohol addiction. Managed to kick the alcohol for the most part at this point, currently in bad WD from the subs and high on meth. Terrible feeling tbh

So.. lope… doesn’t work for you anymore? This is why I love blue light because you all understand of the short term. Doing whatever to get through it in the short term… to get out of opioid prison. We’re weren’t supposed to get off these forever binding opioids. We’re supposed to stay slaves. But honestly i destroyed my gaba receptors with gabapentin.. Phenibut. It hasn’t been long enough for me to do a booze run. Perhaps if it was.. I would give it a go. Alcohol was never my thing. I went through the gabapentin thing because i felt like shit on subs. I was able to make dinner, clean the house, so obviously I ended up paying for that.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm on my phone so this will be a little short.

You're probably not gonna die man. This is dangerous though. It is more dangerous than a lot of harder drugs.

People get into jams. They need to go to work, raise their kids etc. If a person needs to take high doses of Loperamide for 2-3 days to make it from A to B, I can rationalize that.

It is much different to do this chronically. Nobody can tell you when/if you're going to die. All we know right now is that you're alive. We know that the practice is really dangerous. Stop now and you can hopefully walk away without consequences.

If you have access to Buprenorphine, yes absolutely use that. It and Loperanide cannot even be compared. Go for a couple of days without and then slowly induct the Buptenorphine. If you need help with this process, let me know.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

WTF do you even think you are doing mate.

 

[Rectify]

Are you going to die?

Eventually.

 

[300couches]

WTF do you even think you are doing mate.

I’m trying to get off subs. Not trying to get high on loperamide,

 

[300couches]

I was on subs for nearly a decade. They ruined me. I had to get off before it destroyed my marriage, I couldn’t get off the couch.. I’m an old school junky.. my memories are of real heroin.. not fent. I fondly remember opiophile and believed “bloolight” was long gone. Anyway.. I am withdrawal scarred. My nervous system cannot handle being on the verge of wd or in wd. I quit subs 40 days ago with the help of loperamide and it’s working but I am scared of the dreaded long qt syndrome.

I quitsubs and started loperamide exactly one month and 8 days ago. I started with 30 loperamide (60 mg) and I’m now down to 20 lope pills (40 mg). I take 10 lopes twice a day. I tried once a day.. it would not stretch. I am trying to jump one lope pill every two days. I have very occasionally taken small amounts of kratom on certain days when I’ve dropped (I really feel it) I do not take kratom everyday however.

I’m starting to worry about my heart. and the scenarios over on Reddit scares me. Is what I am doing plausible? Can I get off this way? Everyone on Reddit says loperamide will be worse. I am desperate to not switch one addiction for the other and I’m not planning to stay on loperamide forever. If it truly is something that I won’t be able to stop taking, I’ll just go back to subs. So far I have been supplementing with potassium and magnesium. Do you think it’s possible to keep taking less lope to be scott free? Is this realistic? I don’t mind not feeling good.. but full blown, long and drawn out sub wds is not something I can do.

Replying to my own post here as an update. I made big jumps from lope by using kratom briefly. It worked and I didn’t get stuck on kratom. I’m now under 10 lopes a day and thinking about jumping. The only shitty symptom I have is that I can’t stop urinating.. every fucking 5 minutes.

 

[Cult315]

Replying to my own post here as an update. I made big jumps from lope by using kratom briefly. It worked and I didn’t get stuck on kratom. I’m now under 10 lopes a day and thinking about jumping. The only shitty symptom I have is that I can’t stop urinating.. every fucking 5 minutes.

That’s a pretty unusual symptom/side effect I believe. I didn’t read through the post again but you sound like you’re an older guy, you ever have issues with your prostate? I could be wrong here but I’ve never heard of(or experienced) frequent urination with any opiate type of drug, and I’ve done a lot of them. The only things that really have made me piss more than usual is meth(but only if I’m drinking enough fluid lol) and for some reason mushrooms make me have to piss really bad, not super frequent but enough where it feels like I just downed a 12 pack of beer. Sometimes straight feel like I’m gonna piss myself if I don’t go instantly. Oh. And also beer lol

But yeah, no homo but your prostate? Could be all fucked from decades of constipation and being pushed up on by massive opiate turds. Definitely worth looking into if the non stop pissing persists for much longer

 

[300couches]

That’s a pretty unusual symptom/side effect I believe. I didn’t read through the post again but you sound like you’re an older guy, you ever have issues with your prostate? I could be wrong here but I’ve never heard of(or experienced) frequent urination with any opiate type of drug, and I’ve done a lot of them. The only things that really have made me piss more than usual is meth(but only if I’m drinking enough fluid lol) and for some reason mushrooms make me have to piss really bad, not super frequent but enough where it feels like I just downed a 12 pack of beer. Sometimes straight feel like I’m gonna piss myself if I don’t go instantly. Oh. And also beer lol

But yeah, no homo but your prostate? Could be all fucked from decades of constipation and being pushed up on by massive opiate turds. Definitely worth looking into if the non stop pissing persists for much longer

I’m a woman.. peeing every 5 minutes during wd is nothing new to me. Keep in mind I was on a higher dose of subs for over 7 years and quit that higher dose of suboxone two months ago. I heard that if I had a salty taste accompanying the frequent urination- that would mean a hospital trip. I’m also supplementing potassium and magnesium.. electrolytes… but I also wonder if it’s the constipation too. Because that’s been an issue too. I’m really wondering if I could just drop the 10 loperamides and free up my intestines. Quitting subs with lope wasn’t easy.. at all…but at least I could handle it.