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"Also, mushrooms have been used by indigenous cultures for 1000s of years and it is likely that if there were extreme negative long term effects that the natives would have caught on to this and stopped using mushrooms."
or maybe their beleif in the mushroom lead them to beleive such things as HPPD to be a blessing or a state of being crossed between 2 worlds like i did before i heard the term hppd and used the term PERMAFRY, HPPD has been around much longer then most people realize, its been studied off and on under diff names since the 60's psychedelic wave produced many casulties, but it wasnt untill my associates and I, made stormloader and HPPDONLINE that any real awareness came to be, most people who loved psychedelics would rather stay in denial back then before openin their mind to it, many still beleive its all in the guys head etc. but ya, the cultures were cut off from society, when(as documented in LSD MY PROBLEM CHILD) the first white man, (an associate of hofmann) ate mushrooms outta the kindness of some woman in the tribe, this was in the early era of psychedelic research, and we didnt even study or discuss much with the tribe who took the mushrooms called somthing with a T, they beleived(since they didnt know how to read a bible) that mushrooms were sent from god to teach them what they couldent read etc, so when asking a HPPD'r if he was in that tribe about long term effects, itd prolly be said along the lines of enlightenment , or in heaven while on earth etc, again is why HPPD was being researched decades ago cause of learys faulty acid wave and many casultys sprung from it, since HPPD is rare, finnally enough of the population of new age societys were able to say what wasnt right when they ended up permafried and knew it to be a drug instead of god etc, dr abrahm(tho i dont respect him) started the research, make sence?
"Well I have heard of HPPD ("flashbacks") occurring after chronic mushroom use. But not so bad as with acid, and much less common. Most if not all mushroom deaths and illnesses occur when the shrooms are misidentified in the field. Personally, I have used mushrooms many, many times without long term problems, and so have many of my friends. Psilocybin is chemically very close to DMT, an endogenous neurotransmitter, and may indeed convert to DMT in the brain. These naturally occurring tryptamines are considered to be exceptionally safe to use. "
cause in the last decade of HPPD awareness LSD was the most commonly used psychedelic, now that the word is out to the net community about HPPD not being BS like many thought in the widespread community for years, has made it so HPPD is more commonly said in posts for people to read and understand their disorder. Mushrooms can cause HPPD just as easy as LSD-2cb, all psychedelics can cause hppd cause they play with the same Receptors mainly 5-ht for tryptamines and Adrenolin and 5-ht for PEA's, not 5-ht soley but psychedelic used receptors of 5-ht.
HPPD also dosent come from Chronic abuse, you can take LSD 10000000 times and not experience 1 symptom of HPPD, tho i know many people who have tried Psychedelic's once and have HPPD for 1-40 years. HPPD is extreamly rare, i got it on around my 25th dose of LSD 7 years ago, im a pro psychedelic typa person so i got off easy and have little problems with it anymore, i still have BLATENT Visual Patterning and colors blanketing my visual field as if i was coming off of say LSD, but i dont mind this for many reasons, the problem lyes with people who do psychedelics unaware of HPPD nor being well researched in the field of these psycho actives, and do it outta curiosity, not expecting what happens, friends were doin it or outta sheer boredom.. i know many who were in this class of user's when they tried the Psychoactive responsible for HPPD, these people do not have love for psychedelics, infact they speak out about how they ruined there lifes, and who could blame them considering a non druggie tries somthing for one reason or another and ends up experienceing effects untill a magic bullet is found or they die, never understanding the true beauty that lyes in psychedelics etc, they cant jsut accept the disorder and move on like many of us can, and thats the problem, if u are aware about HPPD and the hazard it can bring to your life and ingest psychedelics then ur researched and understand such things, this is why i refuse to let friends try a psychedelic who never have before even tho they are aware of psychedelics and jsut about everything about them spit into their ear from me, its just not worth the guilt.
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HPPD is very rare and will prolly only hit 1 outta 100000 psychedelic users, if ur an average individual who enjoys his mind as is and the hold on to reality your taking for granted, then dont do psychedelics, they are only for the psychonauts and researchers when it comes to illegal psychedelic use, and HPPD can hit at any time in ur usage history and future, id go into the science about that but it isnt proven so i wont speak that.
"Mushshrooms are the safest drug. Only way to get a negative effect is eating poisonous ones. "
for real strongley dissagree here, Mushrooms have caused many people i know mental problems, not just pre- problems it braught out but once u dive into the spiritul side of shrooms many take it to far, i got one whos friend self-commited for the same reasons i stoped useing mushrooms at high doses or without alc to calm the flow, cause me and him came to beleive seperetly we were Psychedelic messiahs in a way cause this is what this fungis we hold up so highly lead us to, beleive much of what we take from the experience, and what we experience down to having a great trip then doing somthing unmentionable like going to the bathroom and feeling as if we offended the ancient teacher in some way leading to a dark entity thrill ride with all our fears dished to us in 3-6hrs. now this isnt gonna happen to everyone but psychedelics are toxicly safe , not mentally.. not brain damage, but a new mind, i liked to call it evolution. then came the day years back where i left the spiritul psychedelic path in hopes for the sanity i was about to loose by my own free will, i think i learned/saw more then enough, and some of it was mentally tampered, meaning i took it the wrong way or i was just psychosised out cause that was all the path i was on came to in the end, except my creative mind and deep phylosophy we all gain from these substance's, and ive learned to know when to say quits with the ancient teachers mescalin psylocin and DMT, tho i still use them occasionally i do so with alc so i dont get locked in a thoughtloop, these 3 psychedelics are the only ones i ever experienced spiritulality off of, LSD was a self anylyzeing tool, i could look back and see how all the shit i learned on it came from my own mind, somthing i still cant do with the ancient teachers.
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This post was not anti-psychedelic, more of a awareness to psychedelic users, HPPD is real, and so is drivein yourself crazy, mushroom in comparisent to LSD etc, in regards to causein HPPD is somtimes more likly to cause HPPD in some respects cause of 5-ht activity and the the mind trip that comes with mushrooms, i say this cause the Fungis HPPD'rs ussually have many mental problems that came with HPPD, emotional instability etc that isnt seen with most LSD users, but thats all my opinion from years of research, in the end, theirs no safe psychedelic when it comes to HPPD, so before you use one, try and have a good reason for it, cause u dont wana get bitten for curiosity and fun.
and remember, its goes the other way too, many have extream lifelong positive effects from the drugs, just look out for your mind
sorry for grammer and puncuation
-Lucid
