Stimulants Light meth use vs Tolerance build up

[nardal]

TL;DR I have been using 10mg doses of meth to keep myself awake so that I can do work(3-4 doses per sleepless night), I recently took quite a lot more than this to keep myself up over 3 nights and, after waiting 2 weeks, still have a noticeably higher tolerance - how long is it likely to take (if ever) for my tolerance to get back down to a point where 10mg will be an effective dose again?

Also, will Ritalin have any cross tolerance with meth? if so then is there anything else I can use to keep myself up which has no cross tolerance?

Hi guys,

Sorry if this has been answered before but I've had a look around and can only find threads which are similar but which don't quite answer my questions.

Basically I've been using low doses of meth (9-11mg measured to 0.1mg) to keep myself awake and concentrating on stuff recently as apparently interns aren't allowed to sleep.... This was all well and good for around 4 weeks using very rarely, probably two sleepless nights a week where 3-4 caps would keep me up from 6am day1 to 12pm day2 and I could take 1/2 a bar of Xanax to get a good nights sleep and feel good the next day after a solid 6 hours rest.

2 weeks ago was a little different, I had a few pressing issues which needed dealing with and ended up taking around 12 caps as well as around 40mg of dextroamphetamine to stay up for 3 nights, needing to increase the frequency of dosages to get the same alertness, before finally crashing and getting some sleep, post sleep I felt fine (if a bit like someone had just kicked the shit out of me) and went about my life for 2 weeks staying away from the meth and just relying on caffeine to keep me up, as unpleasant as that is.

Tonight I, once again, have things that need to be done which don't seem to be possible within normal waking hours, I took 1 cap, still felt groggy after an hour so I took a second, still feeling "not quite alert enough" I'm a little concerned about the lasting effects of my elevated use last week, I am completely aware that tolerance builds rapidly (hence my last dose at the end of 3 nights was 4x my normal dose) however can't find any info on how long it is likely to take for my tolerance to get back down to near-zero (I don't think it will ever be back to zero tolerance), the only stuff I've been able to find is about smoking or IVing large doses to get euphoria, this is obviously a slightly different situation in that I'm not looking for a rush or euphoria (I lack the time needed to enjoy a good high) I'm just looking for similar levels of wakefulness and alertness.

If it is at all relevant: I used to be quite a heavy psychedelics user (back years ago when I had the time) and had a brief stint where I got my hands on a few grams of molly around 8 months ago which I went through with a few friends over 3 weekends (probably averaging 250mg on Friday and Saturday night)

Also: I'm not a great chemist so am not sure about another thing, I also potentially have access to Ritalin, aderall and dextroamphetamine, while I'm almost 100% sure that dex and aderall will have cross tolerance I'm not sure about Ritalin and would gladly use that to keep me up during these long nights if it means that I can let my meth tolerance go back down to a point where a single cap will wake me up, if not Ritalin then is there anything else I can use to help me out in a similar way?

Any help would be much appreciated as I would prefer to not get caught in a cycle of upping my dosage to frequently and have a 2 week break coming up which I plan to use to recover but am not sure if it will be enough.

Cheers,
nardal

 

[Brandasaur]

I would suggest taking a break from the meth and use some ritalin, as it is not an amphetamine. I find for my recreational use that if i quit for just over a week for tolerance to go down and in 2 weeks it is back to normal.

 

[nardal]

I ended up taking a third cap (1st cap at T+0:00, 2nd cap at T+1:00, 3rd at T+2:00) ended up getting the effects I was expecting at around T+3:00 so I think my tolerance is definitely up higher than it really should be, although It's been two weeks! oh well, I'll leave it for a while longer and just stick to ritalin. I recall reading somewhere that ritalin actually helps protect the brain from damage from amphetamine use? can't remember where I saw this or how reliable it's likely to be but maybe just getting some ritalin instead would be a good idea regardless....

 

[Brandasaur]

Yes, if you are going to be using stims for getting stuff done i would stick to the pharms like ritalin, concerta, adderall. Sure meth is good to keep you up but adderall does the same thing with less harm.

And 2 weeks into my meth use i already had to smoke 2 points to get as high as when i started. So my tolerance almost doubled.

 

[nardal]

My main reason for chosing meth is that it's a lot easier for me to get, while this seems really odd seeing as it's "more illegal" than pharms apparently it's true for me, also the only thing I've found to be anywhere near as effective is dex, ritalin and concerta just don't seem to have the same effect (although I don't feel like sleeping) and I've only tried adderall once and while it was fine I, counter intuitively, feel more comfortable measuing out my own doses of meth, probably because there's so much information about avoiding meth addiction and harm reduction that I feel like I would be better equiped to handle anything that goes wrong with meth, I guess that a bit of research will fix this problem... and I do have a two week break coming up :D

And double tolerance seems to be approximately what I'm dealing with now, I think I might stick to ritalin for a couple of months before going back to meth, it's probably worth the extra effort to get it if it means that I wont end up eating my way through piles of meth just to stay awake.....

Ah, looks like Bluelight has no rep system (probably understandable considering the nature of the forums...) so I'll just settle for saying thank you the old fashioned way

Thanks for the help, this is the first time I've actually been a bit worried about something like this, it's nice to know that even when I can't get the help I need by lurking there are people willing to help out!

 

[WarChild]

Something worth noting - in my experience meth tolerance certainly builds up with use on consecutive days or on a bender without sleep for a few days. The duration decreases as do the effects and the 'magic' of the stuff fades away to just feeling good, (and eventually just feeling so sleep deprived there is no feeling at all). But a thing i have noticed with all the long term meth users i know (including me) is that a tolerance, once formed, never really goes away. Back when i was using 2 or 3 days a week a dose of 10mg would have a pretty good effect. Now, after about 14 years of regular (sometimes more, somtimes less) use, I really need about 40mg to feel good, and it is NEVER as good as it used to be in the glory days.

An alternative for you (apologies if this has been mentioned) is Modafinil which is a drug designed for people who do graveyard shifts, pilots who do long flights, etc. Its mechanism is not fully understood but it reduces fatigue without being a traditional stimulant. It does not produce euphoria (officially) although i find it does boost mood slightly. It also helps with concentration, much like Dexamphetamine and Ritalin. As it is not a drug of abuse it should be easy for you to get. In Australia where I live it is not subsidised by the government as it is not seen as a crucial substance, so it is quite expensive $120 for 30 tablets (a dose is 2 tablets). I have found it to be quite effective, but like all these things there does seem to be a bit of a crash the next day - but NOTHING like after meth or other amphetamine type stimulants. It is good stuff.

WC

 

[nardal]

Thanks for the info WarChild, I live in Australia as well so Modafinil could be a good option, before I start making phone calls to my usual people about getting some: is it script only? I would hate to ask someone if they can get me something that is over the counter and have them charge me a nice premium for the delivery, I know I'm being a bit lazy and not doing my research but most of the time when I try and look up legality I end up fucking up and finding out the wrong info or I can't find anything at all....

Did my own research and looks like it's scripted only (thank you another bluelight thread!) you wouldn't happen to be able to give me some advice on how to get scripted would you? is it like Ritalin and such where only specific docs can prescribe or is it not yet at that point of commonality where the extra restrictions are required? and if I do need to go find a doctor is there anything specifically I should be telling them? or will the truth of "I need to not need to sleep so much" be enough?

Sorry that I have so many questions, I'm a bit interested in potentially getting scripted something helpful as weighing out weights of 10mg is an enormous effort so I would love to have something that's already pressed into pills for me :D

 

[shreddedlettuce]

And 2 weeks into my meth use i already had to smoke 2 points to get as high as when i started. So my tolerance almost doubled.

Stop smoking it.
Take it orally if you have to.

I think I might stick to ritalin for a couple of months before going back to meth

I loll'd after reading the above quote.

But seriously, you might have a totally different outlook if you just change the ROA (taking it orally and not smoking it).

 

[nardal]

I think you may have mixed up some of your posts there shredded, I haven’t been smoking it (never smoked it before, IVd once but that was more for the high than for the study) I've been capping it into 9-11mg capsules.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Oops my bad.
Been a long day, sorry.
*blush*

 

[nardal]

No dramas, it's nice to know that people are reading this thread

 

[WarChild]

I pick up my Modafinil using a normal yellow script, same type as other non scheduled substances, so that would suggest any doctor can prescribe it. It is indicated for Narcolepsy (pretty hard to convince your GP you suddenly have narcolepsy), and for shiftwork sleep disorder (unless you do shift work this won't fly either). So you'll need to get creative. Wanting it to lose weight, concentrate more, and brighten your mood, again whilst the drug does these things and your GP is a little conservative (as many are) you wont have any joy either. Given it has appetite suppresing qualities aparently it became popular a few years ago for a while with young people using it to look good. I hope you are a guy? Funnily, as i think i said, the pharmaceutical company does not even really know how it works as it doesn't act like amphetamines, but it is dopaminergic in some ways.

I might have missed it, but why are you having trouble staying awake? This will give me an idea of how to go about asking a doctor for it?

Without knowing your situation i can say If you were prepared to straight out lie, perhaps find a GP at a different clinic and just bullshit that you do graveyard shifts at a service station and can't stay awake when you need to, and that you are worried you might have to go back to 'evil' amphetamines if you can't figure another way??

How much does your GP know? One thing which has worked for me in the past is saying that 'a friend gave me some and it was amazing - can i have more' ...

At the end of the day it is not technically a drug with abuse potential (accoerding to MIMS anyway). I gotta say 200mg gives me a pretty good buzz for a while, although i do get some anxiety when it wears off, and a minor crash the next day - although i am prone to bad comedowns from all stimulants - my doc was insistent there is no side effects like those.

LONG STORY SHORT - Given it is not abusable it should be easy enough for you to get prescribed legitimately but it might take a bit of creative thinking and talking. It does sound like a good option for your situation. my last script cost me a lot (cant post the price due to Bluelight rules) because it is not on the PBS - as i said, Medicare dont see it as a legitimate therapy, along the same lines as Viagra etc. But thats 30 tablets which is 15 doses, a hell of a lot cheaper than meth in australia!!! and i didn't mention that i have snorted it too with good results - but you didn't hear that from me. A week or two ago i had about four modifinals and 25mg dexamphetamine, and i was certainly speeding!! Horendous comedown though, a shocker!

One last thing too - tolerance seems to build up quickly. When i take it 2 days in a row i can feel the difference on the second day - and i've read similar acounts on the net too. But on the first day it is an impressive substance.

Give me some more info on your situation and i'll PM you with some ideas.


WC

 

[nardal]

PM sent, thanks for the help looking forward to my weeks off so that I have a chance to detox a bit and try and get back to normal so I can try the second half of semester fresh!

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Ritalin (methylphenidate) and Adderall (racemic amphetamine)/Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine - called "dexamphetamine" in Australia) are all cross-tolerant with methamphetamine. From what I've read of your experiences with lower doses of oral methamphetamine - you're experiencing a combination of tolerance and sleep deprivation. The sleep deprivation part is easy to fix, just get some sleep (so avoid taking stimulants for a few days at the very least if at all possible). Amphetamine tolerance is a bitch - but it will go down once you've taken a week or two off from all stimulants. I'm a user of dextroamphetamine to help with graduate school work, and, in the past, I used it for shift-work issues same as you... (it, along with racemic amphetamine and methylphenidate are widely available in the U.S., I've never used methamphetamine because I've never needed to) and I can tell you that the following will help with recovery from amphetamines:

-Make sure to eat a decent sized fatty meal before (and if possible, after) taking methamphetamine.
-Continue to only use it in oral form. Smoking, snorting and IV are much more dangerous methods of using meth, you're playing it safe by using oral dosing.
-Go to the health food store and grab yourself some magnesium supplements, as well the following: fish oil, regular multivitamins, vitamin C and melatonin. Consume magnesium daily (no matter if you're on meth or not) as well as the fish oil and regular multivitamins. Take the vitamin C and melatonin on the comedown when you want to sleep. Both vitamin C and melatonin are antioxidants and will help your body recover from the stress of stimulant use quicker.

But yes, as others have said, the best way to fix amphetamine/methamphetamine tolerance is to take a break.

 

[nardal]

Thanks NeighborhoodThreat, actually amusing that dextroamphetamine is called dexamphetamine in Australia because I always used to call it dexamphetamine until a 'friend' got quite upset at my improper terminology :D nice to see that I wasn't wrong after all!

But I've gathered from the others that It's not going to be fun, I'll just have to dial it back a bit and hopefully try and make myself as productive as possible during normal waking hours and perhaps just spend a few days sucking down coffees rather than crystal...

Wonderful advice as far as eating goes, I think I've heard that all before, luckily if I get to work early enough there's a handy English breakfast being cooked each morning (apparently people working longer hours is worth the money for food?? makes me happy regardless) although just wondering if you know why eating a good solid meal before is good? I tend to have a pretty terrible diet (basically I eat breakfast because it's free then nothing until next breakfast) so I'm thinking that could be a significant contributing factor to ineffectiveness, I guess I just don't know enough pharm to understand why.
I don't actually ever plan on IVing ever again, it was a terrible experience in that the first time I tried to shoot I went straight through the vein and ended up with a meth blister (filled with other shit as well consdering the size) that was around half the size of my palm! and it hurt like hell.... didn't get a huge bang for my buck type thing from that experience although when I did end up IVing properly (second time I had a friend who has been IVing heroin for years help) and while I was incredibly impressed by the rush I just didn't feel like being productive, which is counter productive to my reasons behind taking it in the first place. Just out of curiosity why not snorting meth? My friend who recommended I try meth for study/alertness recommended that I snort it, I snorted it once and it hurt so bad that I swore I would never do it again (I'm not even a fan of snorting relatively easy substances like coke....) is there any specific reason why snorting isn't as effective? or is it just more dangerous?
As far as supplements go I'm on all of those except magnesium... which seems to be the most important one? I guess this is the advantage of having a boss who is obsessed with my health and gave me a gift pack containing every vitamin any human being could ever need! there probably is some magnesium in there actually... I'll have a look later....

But otherwise yes, I think I'll take a break when this 30mg wares off I might call in sick to work, finish off a few things and try and get more than my 4-6 hours tonight, especially with the weekend coming up this shouldn't be a problem!

Thanks so much for your help.