Mental Health Life itself bothers me

khaverim7

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The short version is: life itself bothers me. And describing my state is incredibly difficult. I literally believe that my case is unique to uniqueness itself. It’s like I have left the realm of humanity and I am completely alone. I fear there is nothing I can do.

I am trapped in a box. Life itself is a problem. It’s like everything on the earth that happens at any one moment must be fixed and defined for me. The constant change and the amount of things happening causes something like an overload. I think things like “How many people are watching this TV show right now?” and “how many people are using a google maps satellite right now?” Stuff like that. And the fact that that number is constantly moving bothers me. Everything – literally everything is in a fluid state. Nothing is steady. The constant variation causes a problem. People constantly dying; people constantly being born. Time changes when you move through the earth. But truly it’s not in “zones” – every step you take alters the precise time you’re at. The sun doesn’t rise in the same spot. Everything is moving. To me it makes everything meaningless. Everything seems totally random. Everything just exists by chance. The shape of the continents, the fact that the earth is 3rd from the sun.

Then there’s the infinite-within-the-finite reality. It’s like this: how many numbers are between 1 and 3? Not one. There’s 1.04, 1.28042, 2, 2.111020556, and so on and so on. There’s an infinite number of numbers WITHIN a finite space. Infinity is everywhere and it bothers me intensely. To me it makes NOTHING solid or defined. There are an infinite number of possible human faces; an infinite number of diseases. The slightest difference could be present and you have a whole different thing. So it’s like there is no “species”. Every single living thing is its own thing. Where does your neck end and chest begin? Where? You can’t pin it down. So it’s literally like there is no neck or chest. There is just…body.

There are many problems. I feel disconnected from everything. I am stuck in this body – this “sack of cells”. The aspect of soul or spirit has basically disappeared. Emotion – music – the “humanitites” – these have disappeared. Or rather, they have lost effect. I have control over my body but it’s like I’m just a robot or something. It’s like I’m just an animal. I hate it.

It’s like a constant contradiction.

Religion, holidays, entertainment, social media, humor, enthusiasm, personality, interest, desire, and ambition – these are all lost or broken for me.
I have lost IT. I call it “my paradigm”. Everyone is born into the world and they grow up and develop their own paradigm. It’s the ground they stand on. They exist comfortably because they don’t have a problem with life itself. They live WITHIN life, doing what they do. No child is bothered by the fact that they have 2 hands. No one even thinks about it. Life just is the way it is, and everyone is fine with it. Even when a child doesn’t get a straight answer to “why is the sky blue?”, they still are fine with it. On the whole, people don’t have a problem with death. They believe what they believe and they just go on and live life. For me, it is a horrible problem. I don’t know what happens. I want to die to end my troublesome life, but then I don’t want to die because it is this unknown void. But for me, reality ITSELF is a problem, let alone the problems that normal people face WITHIN reality. I am stuck; and there is no comfort in life, and no comfort in death. I wish I never existed, or that I could fall into eternal sleep.

It wasn’t always this way. I was a super-happy normal kid with “a paradigm” up to age 18. I met a guy in college who was just like me and we became best friends. We talked about basically every aspect of life and reality and went very deep into philosophy and spiritual things and the scriptures. For 4 years it was this way and by the end I had disconnected from all my old friends and my family. And him with his. We were alone. We were “super” Christians – if you can call it that. I was so hyper-active into the faith that, in a time of very great stress, I started having religious apocalyptic delusions and ended up in a psych ward for 40 days. What’s worse – now he’s gone missing since I was in the psych ward.

Things that were never a problem for me have become a problem since I lost “the paradigm”. Now I have all the questions of a skeptic, but it’s worse than that. Even skeptics have the paradigm. It’s like I can’t have a worldview anymore. I can’t form an opinion. I can’t distinguish right or wrong.

Anything is appreciated
 
So when exactly did it become a problem, after you came out of the psych ward?

And what so you mean your friend is missing? As in the police have him listed as a missing persons?
 
Hi khaverim,

Much of what you say is very insightful and interesting, I'm with you on the whole' everything is in a state of flux' thing, reality is a flighty thing.

During the worst episode of illness I've had in my life thus far I totally lost faith in reality, I just didn't feel like anything had any substance. All the things I knew about particle physics ( a pet subject not a profession ) and time and space gained huge importance to the point of me being totally consumed.

I felt utterly disconnected, everything looked strange and unreal and I was unable to function.

Nothing has changed in view of how fragile the thin veneer or our reality is but I'm not obsessing about it and it doesn't disturb me in the way it did. I think it's important not to suppress these thoughts, they are not the ramblings of the 'insane' but if you become consumed by these thoughts you aren't fully experiencing the wonder of it all.

Just my thoughts
 
^ I was going to say something very close to what was said above. Nothing you said is far off from how I perceive existence. The problem does not lie in your perceptions but in your reactions to them. The fact that nothing stays put, nothing can really be counted on, death is a great unknown that we are being pulled towards from the moment we are conceived is causing you great fear. The only place my thinking diverges from yours is in saying that most people "don't have a problem" with any of this. I think in some way, everyone does. It is part of being human. Yes, it affects us all to different degrees depending on our sensitivities, personality etc. During our lives we all find our own ways to try to live with the uncertainty and chaos of constant change and the unknowns of existence, but in the end, being aware of your fears is far healthier than pretending not to have them.

I think that stepping away from judgments about your perceptions and focusing on ways to connect back to yourself as a miraculous "sack of cells"--every one of which is a universe in itself is a shift in thinking that may help your feelings hold less fear. The fact that you want to fall into an "eternal sleep" tells me that you are overwhelmed and exhausted by your feelings and thoughts. Have you ever tried meditating or simply breath practices?
 
You should maybe try again a medication at a smaller dosage, you and your doctor both will agree with.

It can really help with the right med and the right dose.
 
Thanks for the replies guys.

I have never gotten into breathing exercise or meditation, basically because I would want to avoid a situation where all I have is my thoughts as company... I'm sure many people "have a problem" with these things to some degree, but I know it just isn't the same. Mine has a crippling, exhausting effect.

I'm on the anti-depressant Wellbutrin 200mg right now. I technically have the symptoms of depression but honestly depression doesn't describe it. All I can come up with is "I've lost the paradigm" -- I've lost "it". The stuff that makes you a normal human. There's just nothing like it.

I have tried in vain to truly describe what I experience day to day. In the end, my efforts come up fruitless and I say things like "I wish I never met my friend", "I want to delete the past", etc. It's like there is no fix for me unless I can find a way to delete the past. But that is like...impossible. So again, I am in a cruel box.
 
You did a much better job at explaining yourself then i ever could.

I've written out dozen's of threads on this topic; only to erase them later because i simply couldn't get my point across.. the last thread i made i mentioned existential despair because it's the closest description of what i would attribute myself experiencing. The problem for me is, that existence is a chaotic infinite mess that holds no inherent meaning beyond that which i as the observer attribute too it; this freedom to define reality is the issue, because it's the acknowledgement and understanding that nothing is solid, everything is fluid and forever changing.. there is no foundation, no paradigm as you call it.

It's like your at a crossroads and there is an infinite amount of direction's that you can take.. you know that none of them have any greater value then the other, but how do you determine which direction to take, there is literally nothing to influence your decision.. all you can do is stand still or pick one direction at random. This is how i see life, at any given moment there is an infinite number of directions that lead into the next moment, you have no information on what this choice will result in, only that you have the freedom to make it.

This is a hard place to be in, what feels like limbo.

I doubt i helped, but i can strongly relate.
 
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hi malakaix,

Thanks for the reply. Yeah. One of my only comforts, if you can call it that, is that there are others who have a despair for life itself. I don't think I'm going to find someone who really knows what I "have" here. It straight up sucks. I am only 22 and I'm trying to find a way to live life like a normal person. But I have no basis to live life. I have no "motor" for stating or making an opinion. It's like I've become a ghost. Even words bother me. Just words. I can't reconcile it.

So now I'm trying to think of a way that I can trudge through life without completely losing it. It is a task just to get through the day let alone try to lead a normal life. Before all this happened I wanted to get married and have some kids but now I don't see any way I could bring a child into the world.

I need the paradigm! Arrgh.
 
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par·a·digm
ˈparəˌdīm/
noun
noun: paradigm; plural noun: paradigms

1.
technical
a typical example or pattern of something; a model.
"there is a new paradigm for public art in this country"
synonyms: model, pattern, example, exemplar, template, standard, prototype, archetype

Maybe you stepped outside of the paradigm you were handed by being born in a certain body (gender), in a certain place and time (culture) and a certain family who themselves are somewhat products of their own place and time. Everyone of our lives is shaped by this in many ways. For a small percentage of people it is a fit. For most of us we spend our time trying to integrate our alienation from the greater paradigm and this struggle shapes us as much as anything else. Do we become angry and bitter or are those necessary emotions just steps to self actualization? Is the sense of unbelonging and unreality so great that it undermines our sense of self or can it empower us to create our own sense of meaning? Maybe you have only lost something that was familiar, not something you actually need. Maybe this uncertainty and disconnection you are feeling is the difficult larval development necessary to something vastly greater but as yet unimagined?
 
...I went through a period of pretty fucking severe depression for around 2 months this time last year, specifically Dec. 2012-Feb. 2013. It was after a few times where I did too many amphetamines, and possibly put totally unnecessary constriction on my chest/heart. I was REALLY down on myself...I somewhat contemplated suicide a few times, but it never got serious just because I would never be able to go through with hurting myself (I have this crazy thing for self-preservation even after all the bullshit I've put my body through)...Anyway, the reason why I was depressed isn't that important, what is is that I quit my job because of my depression for 9 months and wasn't making any cash, just going to school and living with my parents. Not making any money was worse than the depression I went through - I just started to get depressed about how I wasn't making any money. Over the 9 months, all my anxiety over previous amphetamine use started to disappear and by the end of the 9 months I realized I was fucking fine, but now I was unemployed.

Still trying to pick up the pieces now. Have some part-time work but nothing like I used to get - had a pretty cushy position worked out for myself before the depression hit with the amp use.

All I'm saying is all you need in this life is money, and maybe a significant other and a family and a nice house/car if you're into that stuff. Everything else is complicated bullshit, in my opinion.

Not trying to make light of your issues, just sharing.
 
There are many problems. I feel disconnected from everything. I am stuck in this body – this “sack of cells”. The aspect of soul or spirit has basically disappeared. Emotion – music – the “humanitites” – these have disappeared. Or rather, they have lost effect. I have control over my body but it’s like I’m just a robot or something. It’s like I’m just an animal. I hate it.

It’s like a constant contradiction.

Religion, holidays, entertainment, social media, humor, enthusiasm, personality, interest, desire, and ambition – these are all lost or broken for me.
I have lost IT. I call it “my paradigm”. Everyone is born into the world and they grow up and develop their own paradigm. It’s the ground they stand on. They exist comfortably because they don’t have a problem with life itself. They live WITHIN life, doing what they do. No child is bothered by the fact that they have 2 hands. No one even thinks about it. Life just is the way it is, and everyone is fine with it. Even when a child doesn’t get a straight answer to “why is the sky blue?”, they still are fine with it. On the whole, people don’t have a problem with death. They believe what they believe and they just go on and live life. For me, it is a horrible problem. I don’t know what happens. I want to die to end my troublesome life, but then I don’t want to die because it is this unknown void. But for me, reality ITSELF is a problem, let alone the problems that normal people face WITHIN reality. I am stuck; and there is no comfort in life, and no comfort in death. I wish I never existed, or that I could fall into eternal sleep.

It wasn’t always this way. I was a super-happy normal kid with “a paradigm” up to age 18. I met a guy in college who was just like me and we became best friends. We talked about basically every aspect of life and reality and went very deep into philosophy and spiritual things and the scriptures. For 4 years it was this way and by the end I had disconnected from all my old friends and my family. And him with his. We were alone. We were “super” Christians – if you can call it that. I was so hyper-active into the faith that, in a time of very great stress, I started having religious apocalyptic delusions and ended up in a psych ward for 40 days. What’s worse – now he’s gone missing since I was in the psych ward.

Things that were never a problem for me have become a problem since I lost “the paradigm”. Now I have all the questions of a skeptic, but it’s worse than that. Even skeptics have the paradigm. It’s like I can’t have a worldview anymore. I can’t form an opinion. I can’t distinguish right or wrong.

Anything is appreciated

Jung and Freud have written about the 'conflict of the unconscious' where your unconscious self in seeking desires (etc) is conflicted with the external world. It seems you're feeling alienated from society itself. Which you said came from high stress which brought on delusions. All these things in a bag you said reality itself is a problem. And your fear with death --it being a void. Perhaps you just need to find something passionate to do to fill the void. You are very good at articulating your problem; you could start a journal. Through writing and your gift for contemplating things you could chime out a worldview unique to your own reality. If everything collapses you are in a unique position to be reborn.
 
Maybe you stepped outside of the paradigm you were handed by being born in a certain body (gender), in a certain place and time (culture) and a certain family who themselves are somewhat products of their own place and time. Everyone of our lives is shaped by this in many ways. For a small percentage of people it is a fit. For most of us we spend our time trying to integrate our alienation from the greater paradigm and this struggle shapes us as much as anything else. Do we become angry and bitter or are those necessary emotions just steps to self actualization? Is the sense of unbelonging and unreality so great that it undermines our sense of self or can it empower us to create our own sense of meaning? Maybe you have only lost something that was familiar, not something you actually need. Maybe this uncertainty and disconnection you are feeling is the difficult larval development necessary to something vastly greater but as yet unimagined?

Many thanks for the continued response, herbavore and others. The trouble is kind of double: I stepped out of the paradigm I was handed when I met my friend at 18. We worked together and became brothers and essentially were attached at the hip. I was totally overhauled as a person and lost my former self, but I was okay. I still had the human stuff. The paradigm as I'm calling it.

THEN came the mental breakdown, the mania, and now after the dust has cleared I have lost the stuff. It's kind of like I have been two people in my life and now I have to make a third person. Truly I have not been able to sufficiently explain or describe it.

I don't know. They say that time heals all wounds. I am compelled to do something to fill the air but it's literally like everything is tainted.
 
Life bothers me too. In fact I'm surprised more people don't feel this way because life is very very bothersome. So in a way there is nothing abnormal at all. The contents of your mind, judging from your original post, are extremely interesting; I'd be glad to swap subjects with you for an hour or two. Like a mind transplant. Why does infinity bother you? You might like Sheldon Solomon, he talks about the psychology behind being a mind in a decaying body and the problems it causes. Desire and ambition you don't need, so that's a good thing you don't have them. Religion, why do you need that? Entertainment? Can it, nonsense. Social media? Mostly garbage. The paradigm is your worldview is it not? And it appears that you destroyed the previous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltanschauung but haven't got around to creating a replacement. Good luck.
 
^That wiki page was very interesting, In Dubio.

I think in part it is because of my age (60) that what used to be troubling to me I now am able to completely enjoy as part of this brief adventure. When I was young I always procrastinated until the final moment that something had to be accomplished. It didn't matter what it was--writing a paper, producing art for an exhibit, cleaning my house before guests arrived--I seemed to have to go through the procrastination step to get to the highly energized step of almost manic production. The closer I get to my contract with my body expiring, the more appreciative I feel for every aspect of being human--including the little kernel of deliciousness in feeling completely lost. I didn't really change my worldview, age did. Don't know that this is relevant to you, khaverim7....just a postcard from the other side of the hill.:\
 
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