Legalise all drugs, say Lib Dems

[frizzantik]

society is NOT ready for legalization of all drugs. not ready in the slightest.

i agree that society is not ready in the sense that they would not accept it, but i think society is ready in the sense that it wouldn't fall apart due to massive drug addiction.

 

[SmC]

I don't get people who say that our society is 'not ready for it'. If were not ready for it now then we never will be, once they become legal they will become more accepted in society. Not straight away, but eventually they will be.

 

[qwedsa]

I get my cigarettes from out of the state.

you get your cigarettes legally right?

 

[TheDEA.org]

How so? A brief explanation will do, all i'm aware of is the 50p for highest earners, something which i approve of.

The basic theory is that by heavily taxing productive people to fuel a socialized state you 1. create disincentives for hard work and investment (why should I bust my ass to make a dollar more if you're going to take most of it away from me?), even driving some wealthy people to leave the country, and 2. further inhibit economic growth by spending money less efficiently than private individuals and industry do (because of bureaucratic overhead, etc.), which creates waste and corruption and slows economic growth and increases unemployment.

Rich people do one of three things with their money: They can spend it (which creates jobs and fuels economic growth), they can invest it (which creates jobs and fuels economic growth), or they can give it away to charity (which helps the poor and public far more efficiently and responsibly than government programs do.) Bill Gates, son-of-a-bitch that he is, is giving away virtually all of his vast fortune to charity. That's the sort of thing the super-rich do; this notion that government is helping society by robbing the rich to give to the poor (after taking a fat cut for themselves) is a bit of a delusion of the proletariat.

Does that really matter? Well, in 2005, the UK had a per-capita income of about $30,000...compared to the US's per-capita income of almost $42,000. The UK's economy grew at 1.8%...while the US's economy grew by 3.5%. (Source: CIA Factbook.) Real income (adjusted for inflation) has almost tripled in the US in the past fifty years. The reason is simple: Innovation, risk-taking, and investment are rewarded here; success is not seen simply as an excuse for the government to take away (and misspend) money that wealth-producing people 'don't really need'.

Socialism trades the promise of tomorrow for the security of today. If that's what floats your boat (if not your economy), have fun; America will wave and smile as we go by in our yachts. I would say 'fuck the socialists', but really, I don't need to; they fuck themselves.

 

[rocklobster]

you get your cigarettes legally right?

By avoiding the state tax? No.

Edit: Switzerland has fuck-cheap cigs, too.

 

[Drug-Alchemist]

The basic theory is that by heavily taxing productive people to fuel a socialized state you 1. create disincentives for hard work and investment (why should I bust my ass to make a dollar more if you're going to take most of it away from me?), even driving some wealthy people to leave the country, and 2. further inhibit economic growth by spending money less efficiently than private individuals and industry do (because of bureaucratic overhead, etc.), which creates waste and corruption and slows economic growth and increases unemployment.

Rich people do one of three things with their money: They can spend it (which creates jobs and fuels economic growth), they can invest it (which creates jobs and fuels economic growth), or they can give it away to charity (which helps the poor and public far more efficiently and responsibly than government programs do.) Bill Gates, son-of-a-bitch that he is, is giving away virtually all of his vast fortune to charity. That's the sort of thing the super-rich do; this notion that government is helping society by robbing the rich to give to the poor (after taking a fat cut for themselves) is a bit of a delusion of the proletariat.

Does that really matter? Well, in 2005, the UK had a per-capita income of about $30,000...compared to the US's per-capita income of almost $42,000. The UK's economy grew at 1.8%...while the US's economy grew by 3.5%. (Source: CIA Factbook.) Real income (adjusted for inflation) has almost tripled in the US in the past fifty years. The reason is simple: Innovation, risk-taking, and investment are rewarded here; success is not seen simply as an excuse for the government to take away (and misspend) money that wealth-producing people 'don't really need'.

Socialism trades the promise of tomorrow for the security of today. If that's what floats your boat (if not your economy), have fun; America will wave and smile as we go by in our yachts. I would say 'fuck the socialists', but really, I don't need to; they fuck themselves.

Go fuck yourself. I live in a country that doesn't go by the same ideas as your precious USA. And guess what? Every single place I have gone to looks like a third-world country in comparison.

Here, everyone gets free education all the way to the top. Everyone gets free medical services, food on the table and essentially everyone is given at least some kind of apartment if they are unable to pay for their rent on their own.

And no, I'm not living in any kind of "socialist" country.

Then, when "American model" of society does all that as good as it's done where I am, I might support that model. To this day, no-one in their right will not even think about comparing your barbaric society and the real democratic and free western nations in terms of which is doing more good for it's citizens.

Frankly, I don't care. I just play my cards right, and hope that the end of the world would come as soon as possible. Then the real game could begin.

 

[TheDEA.org]

Go fuck yourself.

Hmm....French?

 

[snowshovel]

Shit, did this thread really have to turn into a general left v right political debate already?

From how Drug-Alchemist described his country I'd guess it's somewhere in Scandinavia, not France.

 

[Psychedelics_r_best]

Those damn Lib Dems. Such a bad influence on our children.

 

[tambourine-man]

Holy shit! How did I miss this? This is great news - even if it's only a fringe meeting, the fact that it's actually being discussed amongst the suits has got to be a step in the right direction.

He argued that legalisation could not just occur within the UK but had to happen around the world.

He urged party members to lobby the United Nations, which meets in Vienna in March to reconsider the 1961 convention on illegal drugs, which guides policy around the world.

And there's the realism...

I can't see any UK Government taking a stand on drug use. But by God, I might actually vote if they put together an official proposal.

 

[boothy]

Good news, Lib Dems will always have my vote.

Although they need stronger more unified policies elsewhere to challenge the main two parties. Tories of course will return to power... which, as much as Labour isn't ideal, is the worst out of the three by miles.