"Legal" Drugs Kill 3x Illegal Drugs, FL

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LEGAL DRUGS KILL FAR MORE THAN ILLEGAL, FLORIDA FINDS

Prescription Drugs in 3 Times More Deaths Than Illicit Ones.

MIAMI - From "Scarface" to "Miami Vice," Florida's drug problem has been portrayed as the story of a single narcotic: cocaine. But for Floridians, prescription drugs are increasingly a far more lethal habit.

An analysis of autopsies in 2007 released this week by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission found that the rate of deaths caused by prescription drugs was three times the rate of deaths caused by illicit ones.

Law enforcement officials said that the shift toward prescription-drug abuse, which began here about eight years ago, showed no sign of letting up and that the state must do more to control it.

"You have health care providers involved, you have doctor shoppers, and then there are crimes like robbing drug shipments," said Jeff Beasley, a drug intelligence inspector for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which co-sponsored the study. "There is a multitude of ways to get these drugs, and that's what makes things complicated."

The report's findings track with similar studies by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, which has found that roughly 7 million Americans are abusing prescription drugs. If accurate, that would be an increase of 80 percent in six years and more than the total abusing cocaine, heroin, hallucinogens, Ecstasy and inhalants.

The Florida report analyzed 168,900 deaths statewide. Cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamines caused 989 deaths, it found, while legal opioids - strong painkillers in brand-name drugs like Vicodin and OxyContin - caused 2,328.

Drugs with benzodiazepine, mainly depressants like Valium and Xanax, led to 743 deaths. Alcohol was the most commonly occurring drug, appearing in the bodies of 4,179 of the dead and judged the cause of death of 466 - fewer than cocaine ( 843 ) but more than methamphetamine ( 25 ) and marijuana ( 0 ).

The study also found that while the number of people who died with heroin in their bodies increased 14 percent in 2007, to 110, deaths related to the opioid oxycodone increased 36 percent, to 1,253.

Florida scrutinizes drug-related deaths more closely than do other states, and so there is little basis for comparison with them.

Still, the state has lagged in enforcement. Thirty-eight other states have approved prescription drug monitoring programs that track sales.

Florida lawmakers have repeatedly considered similar legislation, but privacy concerns have kept it from passing.

As a result, federal, state and local law enforcement officials say, Florida has become a source of prescription drugs that are illegally sold across the country.

"The monitoring plan is our priority effort, but that is not enough," William H. Janes, the Florida director of drug control, said in a statement accompanying the study.

He said Florida was also looking at ways to curb illegal Internet sales and to encourage doctors and pharmacists to identify potential abusers.

Some local police departments have taken a more novel approach.

In Broward County on May 31, deputies completed a "drug takeback" in which $5 Wal-Mart, CVS or Walgreens gift cards were distributed to 150 people who cleaned out their medicine cabinets and turned in unused drugs in an effort to keep them out of young people's hands.

Regional Figures

The FDLE report also broke out information on drug-related deaths in Medical Examiner District 5, which includes Marion County as well as Lake, Sumter, Levy and Hernando counties.

According to the report, the district including Marion County showed a marked improvement in cocaine-related deaths when compared to the state.

Statewide, the number of cocaine-related deaths rose from 1,702 deaths in 2004 to 2,179 in 2007, a 27.7 percent increase. Meanwhile, there was a 34.7 percent decrease in cocaine deaths in District 5, dropping from 69 in 2004 to 45 last year.

The report also stated that of the 110 deaths statewide in which heroin was found in the system, with 93 fatal doses, none occurred in District 5.

The report also looked at the increasing prevalence of prescription drug fatalities. Here are some of those statistics for District 5:

* Methadone: Of the 45 deaths in which the drug was found in the deceased's system, the amounts were considered lethal in 33 of them.

* Alprazolam: 30 deaths in which the drug was found; the amounts considered fatal in 15.

* Oxycodone: Found in 27 deaths; fatal in 19.

* Hydrocodone: Found in 18 deaths; fatal in six.

* Morphine: Found in 17 deaths; fatal in 11.

* Propoxyphene: Found in 16 deaths; fatal in five.

* Diazepam: Found in 16 deaths; fatal in four of them.


http://www.ocala.com/article/20080614/ZNYT04/806140326
 
the legal drugs nicotine and alcohol kill way more than just three times as many people as illicit drugs. tobacco kills like 400,000 people a year in the US
 
Jimmie and Joanie are criminals--might as well make their parents and grandparents too... :\

Go Amerika!
 
The difference is that legal drugs are more easily accessible, so of course it's going to kill more people. I don't want to risk jail and who else knows what could happen to me if I attempted to find heroin or cocaine or pills. I can just go get alcohol at the grocery store. That makes a big difference in the statistics. Some people have no interest in risking jail for a high.

Make all drugs available and then see where the numbers lie. Having an extra beer isn't going to make me OD like taking 1 pill of oxy 80's.
 
Lysis said:
Make all drugs available and then see where the numbers lie. Having an extra beer isn't going to make me OD like taking 1 pill of oxy 80's.
Neither does 1 more 5mg percocet make you OD. But one more glass of liquor can make you OD. See, it's all relative. And if you look at percentages rather than numbers, you'll see that legal drugs still kill more than illegal drugs.
 
Bavanai said:
Neither does 1 more 5mg percocet make you OD. But one more glass of liquor can make you OD. See, it's all relative. And if you look at percentages rather than numbers, you'll see that legal drugs still kill more than illegal drugs.

You cannot accurately compare the death rate of alcohol vs the death rate of, let's say, heroin. Alcohol is legal and a socially acceptable. I will not take a risk of getting raped, arrested, killed, or just plainly ostracized by going to my grocery store and buying alcohol. Not true for illegal drugs, which is why less people buy it.

We can do research on how much alcohol is purchased throughout the year, we don't know how many people are buying heroin. It's an underground, hidden, and illegal practice. So how can you tell me what the percentage of buyers vs. deaths there are for heroin?

I disagree with you on the percocet vs. glass of liquor. On this forum it has been said that there is a fine line between pushing the limits of the best high vs. overdosing. Unless you have an unusual allergy (which can be said for both alcohol and percocet) it would take a lot to overdose on alcohol.

There are certainly long-term lethal repercussions on excessive alcohol abuse, but I can go get a 6-pack of beer and not worry about "what is a good dosage for a beginner." Again, unless you have an unusual allergy or reaction, normal people don't drop dead from having a few beers. There's been plenty of stories on this forum alone of people dropping dead from just a little too much of (mostly) opiates.

I don't see many people who need to come to places like this and worry about the right dosage of beer. There have been plenty of stories of some poor schmuck sniffing an 80 of oxy and dying because he took too much.

(I'm focusing on opiates because that seems to be the killer. I agree that marijuana should be legal and is generally harmless. I'll go as far as saying LSD seems harmless too other than it causing you to think up crazy things.)
 
I think if you compared the number of people who drink Alcohol to the number of people who use Heroin/Cocaine, you will find that Heroin/Cocaine takes more lives per capita of users. I have nothing to back this up, there may be an existing study but I don't know of it. I remember a study out of the UK that listed drugs in order of harm to individual, society, etc. and Heroin was definitely #1 followed by Cocaine at #2, Alcohol was #5.

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Tobacco is definitely the most death causing drug out there though.

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It only takes 2-3x as much Alcohol to kill you as it takes for you to get to a nice level of drunkenness (not sloshed/blacking out, but not simply buzzed). This easiness to OD is not seen in many/any other drug however one must realize how it actually isn't that easy, because Alcohol tastes like ass and just popping one more pill or doing one more line is a lot easier..
 
I think if you compared the number of people who drink Alcohol to the number of people who use Heroin/Cocaine, you will find that Heroin/Cocaine takes more lives per capita of users. I have nothing to back this up, there may be an existing study but I don't know of it. I remember a study out of the UK that listed drugs in order of harm to individual, society, etc. and Heroin was definitely #1 followed by Cocaine at #2, Alcohol was #5.
If we're thinking about the same "graph/chart," which was published in a peer-reviewed journal, well, it was complete shit.


It only takes 2-3x as much Alcohol to kill you as it takes for you to get to a nice level of drunkenness (not sloshed/blacking out, but not simply buzzed).
There's an actual term for what you're describing. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't get the name out. It compares the average therapuetic dose to the LD50 dose, or some shit like that. It's supposed to give you an idea of how safely a drug can be used, or some shit like that. Of course that takes into account the moa, tolerance, purity, etc. Also, it's kinda misleading when you're talking about mg doses...
 
phrozen said:
There's an actual term for what you're describing. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't get the name out. It compares the average therapuetic dose to the LD50 dose, or some shit like that. It's supposed to give you an idea of how safely a drug can be used, or some shit like that. Of course that takes into account the moa, tolerance, purity, etc. Also, it's kinda misleading when you're talking about mg doses...

You are referring to the therapeutic index. There is also what is called the certain safety factor and it is the ratio of the Lethal Dose for 1% of the population to the Effective Dose for 99% of the population.
 
Most of the deaths from prescription drug use is the result of mixing several different respiratory suppressants or mixing with alcohol. It even says in the article that most of the deaths involved mixing with alcohol.

Alcohol was the most commonly occurring drug in those who died. Alcohol was considered the cause of death in 466 people. I don't know if those are deaths where alcohol was the only drug used.

If alcohol was found in most of the dead, I think it is fair to say that many of them would not have died if not for the alcohol. It does not say how many of the benzo and opiate deaths involved alcohol. Alcohol was found in more than 4,000 of the dead. I did not see what the total number of drug related deaths was in Florida.

There were 8,620 drug deaths in Florida in 2007.

Below are statistics:

Florida Dept. Of Law Enforcement said:
8,620 individuals were found to have died with one or more of the drugs specified in this report in their bodies.


The report indicates the three most frequently occurring drugs found in decedents were Ethyl Alcohol (4,179), all Benzodiazepines (2,627), and Cocaine (2,179). The drugs that caused the most deaths were Cocaine, Methadone, all Benzodiazepines (includes Alprazolam), Oxycodone, Ethyl Alcohol, Hydrocodone, and Morphine. Despite the increase in heroin incidences, deaths caused by heroin still remain lower than in 2005 or any prior year.

You can see that alcohol and benzos are the most frequently found. I'd bet most were actually benzo+alcohol combos. Many opiate deaths were probably caused by alcohol combos.

They don't tell how many of the benzo and opiate deaths involved alcohol. They want to make prescription drugs look more dangerous. They don't want to publicize the fact that most involve the legal drug ethanol.

Opiates are much less harmful than alcohol, as long as the user doesn't use too much. Opiates do not cause the liver and brain damage that frequent alcohol use can cause.

If you only look at the number of opiate and benzo deaths, it is close to the number of deaths involving alcohol.
 
frizzantik said:
the legal drugs nicotine and alcohol kill way more than just three times as many people as illicit drugs. tobacco kills like 400,000 people a year in the US


x2.
the difference is that its regulated.
 
Lysis said:
The difference is that legal drugs are more easily accessible, so of course it's going to kill more people.

I wouldnt agree with that. Where I live its just as easy to get weed and ecstasy as it is to get cigarettes and alcohol.

And for harder drugs, I can go to a guy down the street for (almost) anything under the sun, but legal prescription drugs take a doctors approval.
 
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