language, eastern thought, social anxiety, and you

[bleedingheartcommie]

>>Language created symbols to describe emotions we already had. >>

Language (well, concepts, really), however, is not entirely passive description. Language segments the world, at the same time emphasizing particular elements thereof, those remaining falling into the background. At the same time, this process shapes the surrounding context from which it is born. Would love exist without language? Yes, but it would not exist as "love".

ebola

it realy can't be said any better than that. if you don't really understand what he's saying, then i doubt you can help me. I'm not trying to sound pretetious, and I do apreacheate any input I can get. It's almost impossible to understand it as we are communicating within the problem.

For one thing, small talk exists for a reason. There are bullshit reasons and games, but it's also to create a bond between two people - a level of comfort between them. It can suck but it can also be fun. You can make jokes and enjoy yourself if you're talking to somebody particularly stale (or just plain ignore them). Can't you play their game with your rules?

but that bond is on a superficial level. It is only created to satisfy expectations of the ego, which is an illusion. The bond is already there for me. I feel completely conected to other people just as i do to the rest of the universe. when people try to connect to me in a lesser way, I start missing out on the larger perspective.

So, tell us, what is you're objective? Do you really want to cut off all ties to humanity and your own subconsious? That is what it appears to be what you are saying. You find no importance in language yet you have no problem using it when it suits your needs. To kill off such an important part of your being like your inner dialogue could lead to all sorts of misfortune, you may for instance start an outer dialogue because you can no longer think straight, people will definitely notice that and off to the psych ward go you.

I am not trying to be mean or antagonise you nor am I playing devils advocate. Ahhh..I had so much more to say, but....is it worth saying? Is anything worth saying? Well, I think there is.

I will say that I agree with a lot of what you say but that is because some of what you have gone through I have too, but my journey was without my wanting for it to happen. Indeed it was a personal struggle for it not to happen. I agree that some people talk wayyy too much for what they need to. I like to call them (and I can't spell it hopefully you will know what I mean) "Xzeybechey, He who talks loud and says nothing" from the movie Dead Man with Johnny Depp. Some people like to use the world around them in the same way as I use the area inside my skull, to work out ideas and generally think. I hate that, I need my inner peace to think, whereas they need an outer source to help them think.

Anyway, I would hate to see anybody go crazy and forever stunt their mental development and the way that you put things sounds like a perfect way for that to eventuate IMO. (not that I think that it will happen to you, I mean if we had mental templates for modes of thought, the way that you are seeing things would definitly turn some people mad)

Hope I didn't offend you.

lol It's pretty hard to offend someone who doesn't believe in words:D In response to you post. I would say that it is society that is crazy, and they are this way because they put too much faith in ideas. I'm not saying that I don't think. I just don't try to control my thoughts. they sort of did there own thing for a while, while I simply sat back and watched them. Then they eventually went away. I find great peace in this. The best way I can explain what it is like is this. Your mind opens up and turns into a receptor. Like a sixth sense. It is behind emotion and it feels wonderful.

 

[Tanuki_23]

it realy can't be said any better than that. if you don't really understand what he's saying, then i doubt you can help me. I'm not trying to sound pretetious, and I do apreacheate any input I can get. It's almost impossible to understand it as we are communicating within the problem. QUOTE]

We wouldnt know there was a problem if we were ONLY operating with in the parameters of said problem.

One thing I would like to add, I think there was a little confusion between our viewpoints, maybe, that needs a little clarification. Your whole thought about how ideas come and go to you now, like youre in a constant meditative state, instead of controlling you is good. I do believe that. The pointless "brain chatter" is just another way of us escaping from reality, and I believe, to a certain extent is the result of alot of mental disorders that we cant find a reason for or cure for. I also think that there is no going back in human evolution, and the only way to fix problems that we have created is to go forward. Its kind of ironic, but language is necessary for us to free ourselves from the restraints of it. How else would we be able to communicate beliefs such as karma, ideas such an ego, actions such as meditation, or philosophies/religions such as Buddhism?

 

[StagnantReaction]

This social game sucks. I hate roles. Can't we all just love the earth in a motherly fashion, and realize everything together?

Bleehhhh.. anyways..

Bleedingheartcommie, you sound like you're suited for India. There, they have a special place for people like you. I forget the term for it, but basically they let this type of person meditate in the forest all day and they're given food easily when begged for. They have no possessions, and they seek total enlightenment.

Perhaps you should step up and let go?

 

[bleedingheartcommie]

it realy can't be said any better than that. if you don't really understand what he's saying, then i doubt you can help me. I'm not trying to sound pretetious, and I do apreacheate any input I can get. It's almost impossible to understand it as we are communicating within the problem. QUOTE]

We wouldnt know there was a problem if we were ONLY operating with in the parameters of said problem.

One thing I would like to add, I think there was a little confusion between our viewpoints, maybe, that needs a little clarification. Your whole thought about how ideas come and go to you now, like youre in a constant meditative state, instead of controlling you is good. I do believe that. The pointless "brain chatter" is just another way of us escaping from reality, and I believe, to a certain extent is the result of alot of mental disorders that we cant find a reason for or cure for. I also think that there is no going back in human evolution, and the only way to fix problems that we have created is to go forward. Its kind of ironic, but language is necessary for us to free ourselves from the restraints of it. How else would we be able to communicate beliefs such as karma, ideas such an ego, actions such as meditation, or philosophies/religions such as Buddhism?

i agree with you. The only problem is that i'm at a fairly low level college in the middle of the bible belt in virginia USA. there are very few people within my reach that are willing or even capable of having a productive (destructive) convorsation. I guess i'll just tough it out until school is over. It has been very therapudic for me to talk with people here, since it's very rare that people around me are at the same, or higher level than me and are able to relate. I'll keep india in mind..... thankyou Blers

"The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance."
Alan Watts

guess i should just enjoy the ride and see where it takes me

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[Abserd]

"Bleedingheartcommie, you sound like you're suited for India. There, they have a special place for people like you. I forget the term for it, but basically they let this type of person meditate in the forest all day and they're given food easily when begged for. They have no possessions, and they seek total enlightenment.

Perhaps you should step up and let go?"

I believe you're thinking of an ascetic (or something like that, I can't remember the exact term).

Bleedingheartcommie I definitly feel what you're saying about the pointlessness of small talk. It just seems so ridiculous to me at times the things that we talk about and often pretend to care about. The 'me' who talks to the other people I interact with is so seldom an accurate reflection of my true inner self that I often wonder why I bother to communicate at all in some situations. I definitly agree with what has been said about the social game, and it's particuarly exhausting and annoying to play this game in a society that I have grown to resent and not trust over the years. I think it's great that you managed to stop your internal dialogue and instead just let your true self take over. It's unfortunate that your external environment doesn't fit well with your inner self, but I wouldn't suggest dropping out of school. It may be a pain in the ass at times, but don't deny yourself an education because of that.

 

[sexyanon2]

bhc - How do your conversations about deconstruction go? Mine seem to halt when we get to the "how to" part of it.

 

[bleedingheartcommie]

^ mine don't realy go anymore. (unless i'm talking to a professor). I'll bring up a very general topic that is on tv infront of us or just out of the blue. People around me immediately aply my questions as personal attacks. Theythrow some superficil power struggle at me, and I sit there playing the part of the asshole. all b/c i'd rather talm about how "the real world" (<-tv show)was created by a bunch of rich white men in a board room, and is a tool for selling images, rather than the actual show itself. I think at thins point i'm just going to be silent

 

[yellodolphin]

ive had similar thing happen to me. After doing shrooms once i experienced ego death and since then i have had social anxiety. It is kind of like at times i do not see a point in engaging in cliched mundane meaningless conversation. i think its more due to the fact that with a less sense of less you will exhibit less confidence though.

 

[elemenohpee]

I used to get frustrated and just want to drop out of the game, which did lead to social anxiety. Now I just find it entertaining. Its like you know something that no one else does, it can be fun if you want it to be. Cuz lets face it, whats going off to India gonna do? Do you actually believe in the cycles of rebirth and all that or do you just like the philosophy? I can understand the concpets, and I agree that the ego is an illusion and all that, but at the end of the day, thats the illusion that I'm experiencing. Sure I could go off into the forrest and just be, but what does that mean in the big scheme of things? I think a lot of aspects of a materialistic culture are bullshit, but at least it leaves room for progress. You might say thats bullshit too, but you have to admit that intelligence, and life in general is a pretty strange anomaly. I'm curious about it and it would be pretty cool to see intelligence spread throughout the universe, none of this would happen if everyone just "was." To me, enlightenment is something to achieve and just be like, "Oh thats pretty neat, thats how things really are." Unless you believe in reincarnation and that if you achieve nirvana you will break out of the cycle, then enlightenment has little to offer. Thats just my take on things, your outlook and what you're looking to get out of life may be completely different, just something to think about.

 

[mr_p]

find forest, follow heart

 

[mr_p]

Experience