Kratom Taper - Any Advice Welcomed

faceyneck

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Hey all. I've been lurking on BlueLight for some time now, about a year.

I've learned a lot from the past threads, but after spending a good 10 hours or more searching through previous posts in the past couple days, I've been unable to find exactly what I was looking for. Hence this post.

I can expand on my situation if anyone wants to hear, but to save space, I'll give a brief synopsis: I was on methadone maintenance for over 3 years, tapering down to 10mg. In March of this year, I switched over to kratom. Now I desperately want off the kratom, and to be free of addiction once again.

Without any conscious effort, I tapered down to 14g/day, from about 25g/day over a few months, and thought I'd jump off this last Thursday. Well, that didn't work! :p

After 24 hours from my last dose, I was writhing in agony nonstop for over 4 hours, and decided this wasn't gonna happen. Shit sucks. I've been in withdrawal at least 5 times before this, with the kratom withdrawals at this doseage being the worst yet. (...in intensity. The methadone withdrawals being the longest.) Believe me, everyone's experience is different. Kratom withdrawal really can be a fucking beast.

So I've decided to go ahead and taper down on my dose, but I don't know how long of a taper to do. I figured I could either do 10, 20 or 30 days taper. The good thing that came out of my failed Cold Turkey attempt was that I dropped my kratom dose significantly. I'm currently taking ~ 9g daily for the past two days. I suppose that's pretty good success, considering I was at 14g just 2 days ago.

My preference would be to taper down over 10 days. I bought 25 2mg xanax bars, which I won't be touching until I jump off. I also have some clonidine, and am using kava to help with the discomfort of the taper. The current plan is to gradually drop my dose every day for 10 days, starting at ~9g/day, broken into 4 x 2.25g doses and working down to ~1.5g, broken into 2 x .75g doses. I take the doses as capsules, making up 50 capsules at a time from a total of 14g of powdered bali leaf. I have not ever messed with extracts or enhanced products.

My thinking is if 20 days would work better than 10, I can simply drop the dosage every other day instead of every day. If 30 days is the order, I can drop the dosage every few days instead of every other day.

I assume you all will have differing input, and that's exactly what I would like to read. I'm posting this to try and (hopefully) get differing perspectives. And it seems to me, if jumping off at ~14g/day was unbearable, jumping off at 1.5g/day should be quite doable, especially considering the xanax bars I have stashed away.

Thanks for reading. I hope the post wasn't too long. I'll check back in on this thread regularly.

PS: Oh, and if anybody wants to link me to some posts that talk about varying kratom taper schedules, I'd enjoy that as well. Thanks.
 
I used kratom daily for about 1 1/2 years. Then I started to get a mysterious withdrawal effect even WHEN i would take the kratom.. I would get cold sweats every night, even if i took a lot of kratom during the day... and taking more kratom didn't stop the cold sweats. It was weird - Everything was fine for that 1.5 years then something that must only happen long term started causing w/d even while on the drug...weird right? I was sweating a lot more at work too which was embarrassing..

The only way was to taper off and just stop. Tapering worked great it wasn't even uncomfortable if you do it slowly. Now my cold sweats are gone etc..

I can take it maybe like once a week but never daily again.
 
Thanks for the reply, yoyoman. Much appreciated.

I'm in a weird spot right now. I've been logging every dose I take and at one time for months now. Hopefully I can use that data to figure out what the duce I need to do.

I tapered my dose down to 48 capsules. (I make up 50 capsules at a time, from 14g of kratom plain leaf powder.)

I've also been taking clonidine for years to help with sleep. I recently started taking kava kava tea at nights to also help with sleep problems.

Well, it would seem kava kava potentiates the kratom! So, when I wake up, if I take a normal dose in the morning I'll get too strong of an effect. However, if I don't drink the kava, I can't sleep. I don't know if I should keep drinking kava to maybe taper down faster, or if I should stop taking the kava, AND the clonidine, and up my kratom dose to compensate, so I'm only addicted to one thing?

I don't know. I'm starting to think about ceasing the kratom altogether first and then going from there, either as inpatient detox, or a couple painful weeks with lots of movies and music. I bought 25 2mg xanax, and I'm gonna buy another 25 as well. Do you guys think 50 2mg xanax bars and some clonidine would be enough to get me to the other side?

I don't have insurance, but will most likely get it in the next week or so. At that point, in-patient detox might be too tempting of an option.

I make money through... uh... rather unconventional means (...cultivation of a taboo fungus, if you know what I mean) and money has finally come in okay amounts... but as far as taxes are concerned nothing is reported. I'm thinking that might qualify me for some decent in-patient treatment for (hopefully) very low cost.

One other thing I've considered is a loperamide taper. Anyone have any advice on that?

When I was in the throes of withdrawal from kratom last week, I took a dose of 30 x 2mg loperamide tabs, and that reduced the withdrawals considerably, but I was still in pretty bad shape. I'd bet 60 x 2mg would wipe the withdrawals out pretty much altogether.

Thanks for the input guys.
 
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