Misc Kratom + Loperamide + Citalopram

[ksralyv2mch]

Please no bashing if I'm ignorant of something or you think this is a bad idea etc.​

I currently have a .5-1 gram black tar heroin habit (Smoking) and I'm trying to quit using the Lope + Cimetidine method, I know I'm comfortable at ~40mg of lope and I plan on dropping a pill a day but besides the point, I also take 20mg of citalopram (celexa an SSRI) a day for depression/anxiety or whatever, my friend just happened to give me 20 capsules of Maeng Da kratom (each one containing ~.5 grams so roughly 10mg).

Are there any negative experiences with SSRIs and Kratom? (particularly citalopram?)

If I take Cimetidine (1 gram) then my Lope and some kratom would the lope mixed with the kratom make me more
noddy" or would it just be a waste and inadvertently raise my tolerance??

THANKS IN ADVANCE CAUSE I CANT DANCE BUT I GUESS I JUST NEED SOME ANSWERS THEN MAYBE I CAN GET ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH MY LIFE...

 

[Stotched]

Not directly an SSRI, but I am on an SNRI and have had no bad experience with Kratom. I believe MAOI's are the only drugs that would cause some adverse reactions with kratom. Start off with a low dose though.

I use kratom 3-5 times a day depending on how long I work for, as I need it to get through my long 12 hour manual labor days. I'm not sure about cimetidine, but I'm pretty sure Kratom isnt metabolized the same way as traditional opiates from the poppy.

Also, you're not going to get "noddy" on kratom with your kind of tolerance. Kratom doesn't really make you nod in the same way of traditional opiates anyway. When I first used kratom, I had very little tolerance to where 20mg of oxy had me nice all day. 5-7 grams depending on strain would have me "nod" but it was more of just falling asleep and waking up, not actually that "twilight sleep" state that actual opiates are.

You're still going to be very sick. I know a lot of people on this forum advocate kratom, but I can't stand how often it's toted. I had a 800mg per day oxy habit, and someone told me to "just get some kratom". Let me explain it to you this way. With habits like ours, taking kratom for withdrawal would be like quitting 25mg of xanax a day and being told "just drink one beer, it'll help".

If you're taking any more than 80mg of oxy per day or equivalent, you will probably feel very little relief from the kratom. Maeng Da is also a very speedy strain. I never take it when in withdrawal, as it just gets my blood pressure even worse than usual. Usually when I'm withdrawing, I can find some relief with a mix of 7 grams red bali/7 grams red sumatra. These are the only 2 strains I've ever found relief with when dopesick. I do not recommend taking a green vein like Maeng Da if you have severe withdrawal, with which 1 gram of dope per day would give you.

Honestly, I'll tell you this, if you buy some good UEI and take a G of it, and work your way up til you feel good, you will have completely relief. UEI is 90% mild extract, 10% pure alkaloids. If you're take a full G of it, this equates to 100mg of pure mitragynine, and 10mg of pure 7OH. This equates to about 100mg of morphine or 80mg of oxy per gram of UEI. It is very expensive, at 10 bucks per gram, but hey, 10 bucks is way cheaper than 80mg of oxy, right?

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

A gram of cimetidine is way too much, and you could be screwing up your digestive system if you dose that high regularly. Stick with 200-400mg. In my experience, cimetidine will potentiate kratom. Stick with regular plain powdered leaf, steer clear of extracts as they usually a waste and/or too expensive for how much you're getting.

As mentioned above, with a tolerance such as yours you might not get a whole lot of effect....BUT....kratom is not a traditional opiate, it's actually not an opiate at all. It's an opioid simply because part of it's action is at the opioid receptors, but it works in other ways too....so in that case you might be surprised by it. I don't get oxy very often, but I have kratom daily, and even with a noddy-dose of oxycodone in my system, I still will crave kratom and will feel it's effects seperately if I dose up.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

A gram of cimetidine is way too much, and you could be screwing up your digestive system if you dose that high regularly. Stick with 200-400mg. In my experience, cimetidine will potentiate kratom. Stick with regular plain powdered leaf, steer clear of extracts as they usually a waste and/or too expensive for how much you're getting.

As mentioned above, with a tolerance such as yours you might not get a whole lot of effect....BUT....kratom is not a traditional opiate, it's actually not an opiate at all. It's an opioid simply because part of it's action is at the opioid receptors, but it works in other ways too....so in that case you might be surprised by it. I don't get oxy very often, but I have kratom daily, and even with a noddy-dose of oxycodone in my system, I still will crave kratom and will feel it's effects seperately if I dose up.

When it comes to the cimetidine, I take a gram for the Loperamide because that's what has worked for me and was the general consensus of how much to take to keep withdrawals away with loperamide. I have been taking 800-1000mg of Cimetidine a day for the past month (skipping a day or two here and there) along with my loperamide, I only recently got just these capsules of kratom and was just curious when I detox with the Lope if I could take the kratom on top of it if need be

you say taking that much cimetidine will mess up your digestive system but I've read abunch of people dosing 1gram of Cimetidine on a regular basis to inhibit p-glycoprotein and that CP45applesauce thing to let Loperamide stay across the BBB for longer. I read that our bodies are capable to handling up to 10grams of Cimetidine in ones system before it can get bad... and it has such a short half life I doubt I'll get close to that.