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Kosovo Declares Independence

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Kosovo Declares Its Independence From Serbia

By DAN BILEFSKY
Published: February 18, 2008


PRISTINA, Kosovo — The former Serbian province of Kosovo declared independence on Sunday, sending tens of thousands of euphoric ethnic Albanians into the streets of this war-torn capital to celebrate the end of a long and bloody struggle for national self-determination.

The declaration marks the final dismemberment in the 17-year dissolution of the former Yugoslavia. It also brings to a dramatic climax a showdown between the West — which argues that the former Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic’s brutal subjugation of Kosovo’s majority ethnic Albanians cost Serbia its authority to rule the territory — and Belgrade and its ally Moscow, which counter that Kosovo’s independence declaration is a reckless breach of international law that will spur other secessionist movements across the world.

Ethnic Albanians from across the world streamed into Pristina, braving freezing temperatures and heavy snow, to dance in frenzied jubilation. Beating drums and waiving Albanian flags, they chanted “Independence! Independence! We are free at last!” while an enormous birthday cake was installed on Pristina’s main boulevard.

An outpouring of adulation for the United States — Kosovo’s staunchest ally in its quest for independence and the architect of NATO’s 1999 bombing campaign against Mr. Milosevic — was evident everywhere. Thousands of revelers unfurled giant American flags, carried posters of former President Bill Clinton, and chanted “Thank You U.S.A.!” and “God Bless America.”

In reading Kosovo’s declaration of independence, its newly elected prime minister, the former guerrilla leader Hashim Thaci, struck a note of reconciliation. He addressed Parliament in both Albanian and Serbian, pledging to protect the rights of the Serbian minority while reaching out to Serbia.

“I feel the heartbeat of our ancestors,” he said, paying tribute to Kosovo’s war dead and to the European Union and Washington. ”We the leaders of our people, democratically elected, through this declaration proclaim Kosovo an independent and sovereign state.” He promised to protect the rights of all the people of Kosovo.

In Belgrade, which has regarded Kosovo as its heartland since medieval times, Serbia’s prime minister, the nationalist Vojislav Kostunica, vowed that Serbia would never recognize the “false state.” He said Kosovo was propped up unlawfully by the United States and called the declaration a “humiliation” for the European Union.

His government has ruled out using military force to respond, but was expected to downgrade diplomatic ties with any government that recognized Kosovo.

The United States and its European allies issued statements noting the declaration of independence but stopped short of diplomatic recognition on Sunday.

“The United States is now reviewing this issue and discussing the matter with its European partners,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in a statement Sunday morning. Noting that the United States would continue to support the rights of all ethnic and religious communities in Kosovo, Mr. McCormack said the United States “calls on all parties to exercise the utmost restraint and to refrain from any provocative acts.”

European Union officials said that Britain, France and Germany were expected to recognize Kosovo’s independence within 48 hours. The Security Council was expected to meet on Sunday.

Germany, with close to 2,400 troops on the ground in the infant nation, is the largest contributor to the NATO deployment in the former Serbian province. According to the German Foreign Ministry, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, spoke by phone Sunday with the Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic, and Mr. Jeremic agreed that ensuring the stability of the region was the “highest priority.”

Ulrich Wilhelm, the spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, said in a statement, “The last open question of the breakup of Yugoslavia must be answered now, because it impedes the security, stability and economic development of the entire region.”

He pointed out, however, that the foreign ministers of the European Union nations would meet Monday to discuss Kosovo’s declaration and that the government of Germany, the European Union’s largest member, would “on the basis of this consultation, decide on further steps.”

President Bush, speaking Sunday in Tanzania on a tour of Africa, said the United States would continue to work to prevent violence in Kosovo in the wake of the proclamation, while reaching out to Serbia. Kosovo’s independence comes nearly 10 years after Slobodan Milosevic’s violent suppression of the province’s ethnic Albanians prompted NATO to intervene in a 1999 bombing campaign that saw hundreds of thousands Albanians and Serbs flee. An estimated 10,000 civilians were killed in the 1998-99 conflict, many of them Albanians, while 1,500 Serbs were killed in the revenge killings that followed. Another 2,000 people went missing and were never found.

Kosovo — a poor, landlocked, predominantly Muslim territory of two million — has since been under the protection of the United Nations and policed by 16,000 NATO troops who keep a fragile peace.

For the ethnic Albanians, who make up 95 per cent of the territory, independence marks a new beginning after decades of political repression and war.

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I'm not overly familiar with the current political atmosphere in Serbia. I'm just wondering if this'll mean war.
 
If any Serb here want to explain to me why it's somehow necessary for Serbia to hang on to Kosovo (for purposes other than nationalist B.S.), I'm all ears. That being said, as an outside observer, this looks long overdue. Serbia's relatively recent ethnic cleansing in the region- and especially their refusal to accept responsibilty- has made them unfit to rule Kosovo.
 
It really says something when the only countries in the world that are against this are Serbia and Russia.
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
If any Serb here want to explain to me why it's somehow necessary for Serbia to hang on to Kosovo (for purposes other than nationalist B.S.), I'm all ears. That being said, as an outside observer, this looks long overdue. Serbia's relatively recent ethnic cleansing in the region- and especially their refusal to accept responsibilty- has made them unfit to rule Kosovo.

There's a can of worms there, though: if Kosovo can have independence, why not Catalonia? Or Wales? Or Quebec? Why are the US/UK/EU fighting to keep Iraq as one nation (when it was created artificially only 70 years ago), but fighting to make Kosovo an independent nation? (What, for that matter, would happen if a US state tried to succeed - there'd be another civil war fought, to keep the union together).
 
Wholesale immigration breaks up nations.


If california declared independence from the USA (secession from the Union, a supposed right),
they would immediately be called terrorists, destroyed and re-annexed.


it's fucking ridiculous that so many countries are recognizing this "independence"
it's only to "look good",


anyway, it's only a declaration.
 
I'm not sure what immigration has to do with anything, the Kosovan Albanians have been living there for a long long time, as part of a federal Yugoslavia.

Not sure what you mean by 'only a declaration' - if everyone recognises it (which most are) then it has effect in the real world (unlike, say, the Lakota declaration of independence from the US).
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
If any Serb here want to explain to me why it's somehow necessary for Serbia to hang on to Kosovo (for purposes other than nationalist B.S.), I'm all ears. That being said, as an outside observer, this looks long overdue. Serbia's relatively recent ethnic cleansing in the region- and especially their refusal to accept responsibilty- has made them unfit to rule Kosovo.

Dude breaking up nations because one ethnic group wants to declare independence is racist bS. What the world needs is less division not more. Can you imagine if a bunch of immigrants moved into a certain area until they were the vast majority and declared indepence in UK or USA.. this sucks majorly
 
firewarner said:
Dude breaking up nations because one ethnic group wants to declare independence is racist bS.

The Kosovars, who are mainly Muslim Albanians, have had a separate national identity from the Serbs for awhile. In the last decade, the Serbs unleashed horrid ethnic cleansing campaigns against Muslims in both Bosnia and Kosovo. In light of what they've done in the region, and their continued refusal to take responsibility, it's hard to justify Serbia's continued claim to Kosovo. Essentially, Kosovo is already is its own nation whether it has its own state or not. In a world divided by nation-states, it's only right that they have their own state as well.

What the world needs is less division not more.

That's not realistic. Co-existence doesn't necessarily mean that the two sides have to love each other. Sometimes, divisions are necessary to reduce conflict.

Can you imagine if a bunch of immigrants moved into a certain area until they were the vast majority and declared indepence in UK or USA.. this sucks majorly

That has nothing to do with the situation at hand.
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
The Kosovars, who are mainly Muslim Albanians, have had a separate national identity from the Serbs for awhile. In the last decade, the Serbs unleashed horrid ethnic cleansing campaigns against Muslims in both Bosnia and Kosovo. In light of what they've done in the region, and their continued refusal to take responsibility, it's hard to justify Serbia's continued claim to Kosovo. Essentially, Kosovo is already is its own nation whether it has its own state or not. In a world divided by nation-states, it's only right that they have their own state as well.


America, Land of The Free
(Actual Native Americans need not apply.)
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
The Kosovars, who are mainly Muslim Albanians, have had a separate national identity from the Serbs for awhile. In the last decade, the Serbs unleashed horrid ethnic cleansing campaigns against Muslims in both Bosnia and Kosovo. In light of what they've done in the region, and their continued refusal to take responsibility, it's hard to justify Serbia's continued claim to Kosovo. Essentially, Kosovo is already is its own nation whether it has its own state or not. In a world divided by nation-states, it's only right that they have their own state as well.



That's not realistic. Co-existence doesn't necessarily mean that the two sides have to love each other. Sometimes, divisions are necessary to reduce conflict.



That has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

Yes well the people of the balkans have been fighting for ages... if you want to talk like a racist then think about the fact that kosovo has been serbian for ages until these albanian immigrants moved there. Think about it this could happen in a western country.. thats why im against this racist BS
 
The_Idler said:
America, Land of The Free
(Actual Native Americans need not apply.)

You're going to have to explain that analogy.

firewarner said:
Yes well the people of the balkans have been fighting for ages... if you want to talk like a racist then think about the fact that kosovo has been serbian for ages until these albanian immigrants moved there. Think about it this could happen in a western country.. thats why im against this racist BS

Kosovo has had an Albanian majority for at least 100 years, and possibly longer. Is there a magic number that they must reach before it can be characterized as predominately Albanian? And I remind you, just nine years ago Serbia attempted to commit an ethnic cleansing campaign to rid the area of Albanians, and they've yet to show any a sign of contrition. That's enough of a reason for any province of any country to secede.
 
firewarner: mass-scale Albanian immigration to Kosovo began in the 1600s - there were Albanians there before that, as well. It's not like they turned up there last year from Albania.

On the other hand, Albanians were expelling/ethncially cleansing Serbs from Kosovo, so it's not like they're 100% the good guys, either...and bear in mind the KLA started the war against Serbia/Yugoslavia, not the other way round.

Seems like a highly complex situation that doesn't necessarily contain 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.
 
^^

IJ brings up an interesting point about the Kosovars' treatment of Serbs. Serbs are a sizable minority in Serbia, and any Kosovo state needs to respect their rights. Admittedly, Kosavar Serbs are not in a favorable position right now. The U.N. can't stay in the country forever. But I still don't see Kosovo being returned to Serbian governerance as a viable option either, given Serbia's track record in the region and the overwhelming support for independence amongst Kosovo's citizens.
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
You're going to have to explain that analogy.



Kosovo has had an Albanian majority for at least 100 years, and possibly longer. Is there a magic number that they must reach before it can be characterized as predominately Albanian? And I remind you, just nine years ago Serbia attempted to commit an ethnic cleansing campaign to rid the area of Albanians, and they've yet to show any a sign of contrition. That's enough of a reason for any province of any country to secede.

It was not ethnic cleansing it was a war that has been fighting for ages... remember the KLA provoked the serbs into fighting.... your clearly a racist if you think borders should be defined by a persons race. what if a minority in a western country claimed to be the vast majority in a wide area.. would it be ok for them to declare independence too?
 
firewarner said:
your clearly a racist if you think borders should be defined by a persons race.

For one thing, you're confusing the terms "race" and "ethnicity." I'm not saying that borders should be defined by ethnicity. What I'm saying is that they are defined by ethnic lines in most cases. There are exceptions, mainly the "immigrant nations" (USA, Canada, Australia, etc.), which have national identities delibertly designed away from ethnic lines. Other examples of mixed ethnic state tend to present an argument against such states (just look at the recent events in Kenya). I'm not saying that it can't work, but it certainly can't be imposed.

what if a minority in a western country claimed to be the vast majority in a wide area.. would it be ok for them to declare independence too?

Albanian Kosovars are the majority in Kosovo. That's not subjective. If, for instance, a region of American Indians wanted to secede from the U.S, and if they fulfilled the requirements of statehood (a big "if", mind you), then I'd support them. If the overwhelming majority of the people in any given area don't want to be part of the greater state, then they should be allowed to secede.


It was not ethnic cleansing it was a war that has been fighting for ages...

That's an interesting way of putting it.

remember the KLA provoked the serbs into fighting....

Sure, I'm not going to pretend that the KLA are a bunch of saints.
 
Ethnicity is also defined by borders. This is truly evident in the differences between Americans and Canadians.
 
^^

With the exception of French Canadians, I really wouldn't say Americans and Canadians are separate ethnicities. Admittedly, definitions of "ethnicity" are vague, but the chief distinction between Canada and the U.S. is political, not cultural IMO. When I meet Canadians and Americans when I'm abroad, I can never tell the difference. And I am American.
 
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