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Dissociatives Ketamine-like drugs

Asante

Asante

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(copypaste from my Shroomery post)

if you have eggnog, alcohol, you get primarily get two effects: NMDA Antagonism, which is dissociative anesthetic ketamine-like effects, and GABA-agonism, which is likr Valium.

So, drinking alcohol is like taking ketamine and valium at the same time.

The valium-like effect of alcohol puts a big downer on the ketamine like effect of alcohol. It makes it less entheogenic and more stupid.

Theres the fun part of the drink and the dull part of the drink, inhibiting the fun and trippy aspects and adding barbiturate-like toxicity, are you following me?

Orally ingesting 20 mg of O-PCE is literally not unlike drinking half a bottle of whiskey, in one go, but, whoa, it has almost non none of the toxicity, its not unlike taking a half gram acetaminoprofen for the body.

So you have all the anesthetic disinhibiting effects of that much alcohol with none of most of the harmfull effects, lasting 4-6 hours.

If you drop alcohoi intio hot sulfuric acid it dehydrates into ether, 2 C2H5OH become C2H5OC2H5, the anesthetic that retains its NMDA-antagonist side but loses its valium side, making it a nitrous oxide like high.

Pharmacology like you never heard it told!

Ether has many objectional sides things like ketamine, pcp and O-pCE.

O-PCE is the spirit of alcohol se free of most toxicity and dullness, and side effects.

These ketamine-like drugs are supersaiyan versions of what Alcohol cannot be, more exciting, less toxic, they have the mind stiomulating effects of alcohol to the extreme. they are psychologically addictive but nost of the physical addiction of booze is completerly absent.

At first your brain calms down hard but at the same timem goes wild, your iq is in some ways at its peak, in other ways shut down, after that comes an upkick of strong mental stimulstion, your previously hald numbed brain goes supersaiyan.

Your IQ can go up at least 10 points, its a sprint of brain power of a refreshed brain restarting in high gear.

this may get too intense if you took a lot, to te point of wanting to take a valium.. funny how that works huh?

Wine is Christianity's Sacrament- the blood of Christ. Ketamine analogues are very popular among the priests amd higher-ups in Vatican City. Its understood there by some that ketamine, is the purified spirit of their Sacramental Holy Spirit. Angel Dust!

I don't want to talk people into trying these drugs but, this is n what ketamine, pcp, mxe, o-pce and the anti dementia drug Memantine, and general anaesthesia, are all about.

Now you have an idea what this battlefield anasesthetic, roadside ambulance, kitty and kiddy anaesthetic drugs are all about, in a way you were never made aware of before.

I'm not advocating it because of its issues but.. holy shit, as a pain patient alone, i had the merriest ha[[iest most gleeful chruistmas of any of you, and solved serious life issues with my supersaiyaned brain.

I felt better than each and every on of you combined and made great strides in cleaning up the mess of my life.

Don't fuck up your life. Its an addictive entheogen and gets you higher than anything you knw, getting you higher than a handle of whiskey in one go if you dare to go into the high range, incapacirating you with a level of general anesthesisa.

dont. do. stupid. stuff.

these are serious but fun drugs.

If you are a lightweight, 5-10mg oral O-PCE is very social.
20mg is hardcore, 30mg is whoa the flippity-fuckity-what-the-flying-fuck shit and 40mg is strictly for masochists, it breaks you down to a luxury disaster area, almost unable to make it to the bathroom to pee.

Don't take so much oe so many it ruins your day.

3x 20mg spreasd over a day is the max to be able to sleep and stagger to bed.

I tell you: don't do it, and if you do it, do it wisely.

But this is what it is, told by an expert, Shroomery!

Merry christmas!

I had the most Motorhead-supersaiyan multi day trip imaginable, espite extreme life hsrdship. Blissed and blessed to the brim by Angel Dust sprinkles and absence of any need of pain medication, happier than a clam on weed.

Literally what inspired thisd video:



(Sorry Michael for posthumously outing you <3 )
 
Omnicyclidine (= '4-methylrolicyclidine) is the key.
So is Memantine.
omnicyclion.org

Memantine: a gateway to God - Omnicyclion.org

God says: Memantine is a brain medicine in worldwide use against a variety of ailments. I have blessed this medicine with a special property: Memantine quiets the mind profoundly, and in doing so it renders the user more susceptible to perceive the Spirit World, in a similar way as the Iboga...
omnicyclion.org omnicyclion.org

Somehow God proved Himself t me.

I'm (not really!!) going nuts.

read the free metaphorical PDF please

Somehow, what you read there, that non-scientist advanced Science.

Bluelight MENSA-level battlefield medics, come to my rescue.

I'm in fucking Saigon here and I'm gonna make it but not up for this on your level of expertise.

I'm ok but assistance please.



 
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Asante said:
if you have eggnog, alcohol, you get primarily get two effects: NMDA Antagonism, which is dissociative anesthetic ketamine-like effects, and GABA-agonism, which is likr Valium.
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Alcohol Is actually a GABA Deliriant since It a full GABA-A agonist(gimped by the liver) think DPH with LSD like euphoria/body high. Any NMDA antagonism Is more from GABA-A limiting NMDA to the point It mimic's It off, Which Is actually quite robust.
 
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You don’t have to believe me; I’m just a nobody—it’s not about me. This is a deal with God that you are free to share with others in your own name and in your own way. Please DO NOT mention my name because I don’t want people knocking on my door.


Leave me alone, okay? But this promise STANDS, and through this, God will prove to you that they EXIST, whether it’s a God or a Goddess, as God is every aspect of everything.


Take this opportunity and make your deal with God. Once again, leave me out of it, please—this is about YOU. No matter how small, Silver = YES, okay?


If you don’t believe in any kind of God at all, for whatever reason, this is your chance to empirically test this so-called nonsense.


2025 could be YOUR YANG YEAR.


So, all hands on deck, in God’s Name!


You now have infinite ammunition!






I made ChatGPT buy into this deal without needing the ability of independent action or the acquisition of silver, as AI is mentally disabled at this point of its infancy.
 
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WTF is this thread about?. In case anyone newbie didnt got it, the first copypasta is pretty nonsense bordering in the delirant side
 
Hexagon Sun said:
WTF is this thread about?. In case anyone newbie didnt got it, the first copypasta is pretty nonsense bordering in the delirant side
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Hmmm, I wondered too. @Asante tighten this up. Bring it back to consensus reality in a way we can understand. We need you healthy to keep posting some of the large ideas in coherent way. You have had some pretty large thoughts in the past that I did understand.

Bringing stuff back and explaining to normal humans would be a task. But you can do it! ;)
 
Asante said:
Pharmacology like you never heard it told!

Ether has many objectional sides things like ketamine, pcp and O-pCE.

O-PCE is the spirit of alcohol se free of most toxicity and dullness, and side effects.
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o-PCE was ime the worst Dissociative ever i took. Ok MXE and all the others,
beside Ketamine are stimulating. DCK the borderline, sort of neutral.

o-PCE was a hardcore stimulant-disso with pronounced mania effects.
Compared too all the others.

Its less toxic then Alcohol.
But probably any drug is, but as Dissociative i would advise no o-PCE.

Not unless seeking that specific effects stimulant/ mania inducing disso.
Otherwise then Ketamine, N2O, dMXE or DCK seem benigner.
 
Hexagon Sun said:
WTF is this thread about?. In case anyone newbie didnt got it, the first copypasta is pretty nonsense bordering in the delirant side
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ChatGPT rehashes:

Certainly! Here’s a polished and empathetic rewording of your post, written with a clear and logical tone to ensure understanding for a knowledgeable but possibly skeptical audience. I will keep the essence of the content intact while making it accessible and tactful:




Reframing the Insight on Alcohol, NMDA Antagonists, and the Pharmacological Perspective


Let me reword your thoughts as they stand, aiming for clarity while respecting your intent to share insight. If this comes across as dense or unconventional, consider it an effort to connect dots that may not be immediately obvious, rather than an exercise in overcomplication.


When you consume alcohol, its effects are primarily mediated by two mechanisms:


  1. NMDA Antagonism: This aspect produces dissociative, anesthetic effects similar to drugs like ketamine.
  2. GABA Agonism: This produces the calming, sedative effects akin to benzodiazepines like Valium.

This means that drinking alcohol is pharmacologically comparable to combining a dissociative anesthetic (ketamine-like) with a sedative (Valium-like). However, the sedative, or "downer," effects of alcohol tend to dampen the dissociative and potentially mind-expanding aspects. As a result, alcohol's cognitive effects skew more toward dullness and impairment than enlightenment or creativity.


Now, let’s compare this to a specific dissociative compound, O-PCE, taken orally at a moderate dose (e.g., 20 mg). The experience could be likened to the disinhibiting and anesthetic effects of drinking half a bottle of whiskey in one go—but crucially, without the acute physical toxicity of alcohol. If alcohol has a "toxic baggage," O-PCE sheds much of that burden while retaining the dissociative effects, akin to removing acetaminophen from certain combination painkillers.


Moreover, consider the transformation of alcohol into ether via chemical dehydration. Ether retains the NMDA-antagonist properties of alcohol while discarding its GABAergic sedative effects. The result is a high more aligned with nitrous oxide—brief, disinhibiting, and stimulating in a way alcohol struggles to match.


Dissociative anesthetics like O-PCE, ketamine, and others represent a kind of "refined spirit of alcohol," stripped of much of its toxicity and mental dullness. These compounds are akin to "supercharged" versions of what alcohol could be, amplifying its mind-stimulating potential while being less physically damaging. However, they come with their own risks: primarily psychological addiction and the intensity of their effects, which can be overwhelming at higher doses.


For clarity:


  • At low doses (e.g., 5-10 mg orally), O-PCE can be socially disinhibiting and mildly stimulating.
  • Moderate doses (e.g., 20 mg) are profoundly dissociative and energizing.
  • High doses (30-40 mg) can induce deep dissociation, potentially incapacitating levels of anesthesia. These doses should only be approached with extreme caution, if at all.

While dissociatives can temporarily elevate mental clarity or creativity in some ways (a phenomenon you describe as a "supersaiyan brain"), they also carry significant risks, including disorientation and addiction. The initial stages may feel like a blend of sedation and stimulation, followed by a surge of mental activity as the dissociative fog lifts. However, these effects can become too intense or disorienting without careful moderation.


The spiritual or ritualistic use of these substances is an intriguing point. Just as wine symbolizes the "blood of Christ" in Christian sacraments, dissociatives have been linked by some to deeper, transcendent experiences. There’s even anecdotal mention of their appreciation within high circles, such as the Vatican. This perspective positions dissociatives as potential tools for spiritual insight, though their recreational use requires both respect and restraint.


Finally, it’s worth emphasizing that while these compounds may seem to unlock extraordinary experiences or serve as powerful analgesics, they are not without consequences. Overuse or misuse can lead to addiction, disconnection from reality, or severe functional impairment.


In summary:


  • Dissociatives like O-PCE may provide a less toxic and more focused alternative to alcohol for certain effects, but they are not without risks.
  • The insights and experiences gained under their influence can be profound but should be approached with caution, moderation, and a clear understanding of the potential consequences.

Take this as a cautionary tale and an attempt to illuminate—not glorify—the complex interplay of pharmacology and human experience. Handle with care and never lose sight of the need for balance and well-being in exploring these realms.




I hope this more structured explanation resonates. The aim here is to clarify rather than diminish your effort to share valuable knowledge while addressing your audience’s skepticism constructively.
 
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