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ketamine: anti depressant?

bighooter

bighooter

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Do you think Ketamine is a good anti depressant?

I read somewhere that after 1dose users can experience a positive anti depressant effect for up to a week.

Do you think this is true? If so is it best to go into a k hole to achieve it?

Also does Ketamine hit you harder on an empty stomach? Does this increase the risk of nausea?

Im thinking about taking it first thing in the morning as a hope of having an anti depressant effect as ive heard it can sort of de stress your whole mind.

do you advise listening to music when in a k-hole?
Ive only been in a k-hole once and there was no music and all I could hear was like a sorta helicopter loud echoing ringing sound which was really weird.
 
The few doses of ketamine I've taken did make me very happy, however I don't think it is a viable anti-depressant. If you're looking for an excuse to use ketamine daily don't kid yourself, just do it. If you want to start every morning off with a K-hole go ahead. I chug a few cups of coffee every morning; that's my addiction, you might as well have a line of ketamine. If your high of course you would feel less depressed, but it's probably not something that is sustainable. What will you do when tolerance forms? What about the possibility for addiction?
 
i didnt say i'd do it everyday

Well I did it anyway and i went into a k-hole for the 2nd time.
I still knew where I was though and even though i felt disconnected from reality and my body I didnt actually gain anything spiritually I just listened to the music in a different state of mind.
Which is a bit of a shame.
I snorted 220mg on an empty stomach so im a little annoyed that it wasnt a better k-hole with really cool stuff happening.

Its now 3hours later and i feel very 'wonky' my balance and vision is pretty distorted.

Im thinking of snorting 500mg on saturday in an attempt to reach a better place as ive heard people can drift off into other worlds and think there dreaming and stuff.

Yet I didnt have anything cool happen, however it has definatly erased my depression for the time being but left me with a headache. Isit safe to take paracetamol?
 
The AD effect is most apparent on relatively low doses, pretty small threshold bumps.
Above that there can certainly be euphoria but also a flattening of personality or even depersonalization that suddenly snaps back upon coming down or in the next day or so.
This I have found to be counterproductive in terms of AD, at least with frequent use because there is a destabilizing side to it.
 
Im 140 pounds yet I dont understand why I didnt have an amazing k hole experience when I snorted 220mg.

Do you think its because Ive not had enough experience with it to fully understand it and allow myself to go into it.

Because even though I had a ringing sorta loud pneumatic sound and couldnt move I just didnt get warped into another dimension like I was hoping for.

I had the living room light on, was led down on my couch and had music on, yet even though I felt disconnected from myself I still knew that I was in my house and I let go.

I made 5 thin lines and snorted within 5minutes maybe alot of it went into the stomach, because I had alot of drips.

My previous experience was last week (approx 50-100mg snorted) and didnt get anywhere near k-holing just had a good time.

But up until that experience I havent used it for about 6months and even then I only did it about 20 times in the space of a year and k-holed once.


Any suggestions? Please help as Im desperate to actually see what all the fun is about.
 
It's possible your ket is kut, Hooter. 220mg with little or no tolerance should have you past the hole and into outright anaesthesia territory. To be honest, even with my extreme tolerance sniffing over 200mg would have me within sight of a hole, albeit still in the distance cos my tolerance really is obscene. Ket is rarely kut compared to most drugs but it does happen - especially if it's powder. Try to get crystal if you can as it's far less likely to have been cut.

500mg would be massive overkill unless your ket is 90% table salt or summat - you'd just be unconscious. There's a fine line with ket - wonked > holed > anaesthetised. If you want to hole, the trick is to try to get the balance right and not overshoot it. You're best off sniffing smaller lines more often (maybe 50-100mg lines with 10 minutes or so between them to let it absorb). Snorting a massive amount at once is pretty pointless cos your nose can't absorb it and you just swallow it which is a waste. Little and often may well get you where you want to be better :)

On the antidepressant effects, I feel great after using ket and it lasts a long time. It's only really useful for acute depression cos you can't do it all the time without becoming addicted but used occasionally it really can put you in a positive state of mind. Does with me anyway :)
 
Solipsis said:
The AD effect is most apparent on relatively low doses, pretty small threshold bumps.
Above that there can certainly be euphoria but also a flattening of personality or even depersonalization that suddenly snaps back upon coming down or in the next day or so.
This I have found to be counterproductive in terms of AD, at least with frequent use because there is a destabilizing side to it.
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couldn't agree more


high doses leave me somewhat deflated and miserable later... low, even just threshold doses, are my favourite way of doing K, it is like a tranquilising stimulant... and I remain happy WAY beyond when it's worn off. Best medicine but not to be relied on for daiyl dosing.... that isn't even necessary... less is more with this drug for the Ad affect.
 
bighooter said:
Im 140 pounds yet I dont understand why I didnt have an amazing k hole experience when I snorted 220mg.

Do you think its because Ive not had enough experience with it to fully understand it and allow myself to go into it.

Because even though I had a ringing sorta loud pneumatic sound and couldnt move I just didnt get warped into another dimension like I was hoping for.

I had the living room light on, was led down on my couch and had music on, yet even though I felt disconnected from myself I still knew that I was in my house and I let go.

I made 5 thin lines and snorted within 5minutes maybe alot of it went into the stomach, because I had alot of drips.

My previous experience was last week (approx 50-100mg snorted) and didnt get anywhere near k-holing just had a good time.

But up until that experience I havent used it for about 6months and even then I only did it about 20 times in the space of a year and k-holed once.


Any suggestions? Please help as Im desperate to actually see what all the fun is about.
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If you want to k-hole reliably, then I'm afraid you'd have to resort to (as Sherlock Holmes referred to it), 'the needle' & IM the stuff. Not that I'm recommending you start playing with needles, just stating what most people find to be the case
 
did sherlock holmes used to inject ketamine?

Thing is I gave my mate a bit of the ketamine I brought and watched him IV about 4 times in front of me and he said its definatly ketamine...?

Its strange as to why I didnt actually k hole, do you think it could be something to do with my sub concious mind not letting go?

I think i'm just going to snort small bumps until I feel the desired effect then, as I know even at 220mg alot was wasted into my stomach.

Also is it true that the if you swallow the ketamine drips the crystals just sit in your stomach?
As every ket head I know tells me this and always spits the drips out.

1 more thing i'd like to add is that since doing ketamine yesterday I have felt like my mind is more superior then other people's at work I was thinking about how lame most people there are..... kinda strange but in terms of ad effect there was no self loathing,. but im only going to use k twice a week maximum.
 
Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character so never injected anything. In the books he used to inject cocaine though :)

As with all drugs, people react differently - not everyone fits neatly into the Erowid doses - so I guess you'll just have to experiment to find the right dose for you. Smaller lines more often are often more effective, I find.

Ket doesn't recrystallise in your stomach if you swallow the drip - classic k-head myth. It's mostly just a waste as the oral dose of ket is so high but I believe it does increase the less desirable effects (norketamine?).

Feeling you're somehow superior to others is also a classic symptom of ket use for many :D;)
 
so if you swallow the drips, do you think it will add to the high?

also isit ok to take paracetamol on k? because sometimes i get a headache
 
Nup. If you swallow the drip you just waste what you swallow and (I think but someone will surely correct me if I'm mistaken) that more is converted to norketamine which is what you don't want as it's responsible for the more worrying physical issues. There's plenty of info around if you search and someone will put me right if I'm way off the mark, but swallowing the drip isn't especially harmful but neither is it at all beneficial. That's largely why little and often works better, I suspect :)

Paracetamol with ket should be fine - presuming you aren't taking massive doses of it, of course.
 
cheers clart

Also 1 more thing, when I used to take ketamine I did valium aswell... does this block out the psychedelic effects thus reducing the chance of a k hole?
Coz near enough everytime i did k in the past i never really had a strong experience.
 
For me valium takes the edge off, in a good way - it can make an overwhelming experience less "panicky". So yeah, I think experiences are stronger without valium.

Interestingly, when dogs are KO'ed with K, they are given valium at the same time to stop them freaking out.

On a side note I have found codeine to give K trips a nice floaty feel.
 
This is actually being researched clinically... a google search will show numerous studies being studied on the antidepressant effect of low dose IV ketamine. I personally can see where the concept is coming from... i notice an AD effect myself.

The problem for me is that i get dizzy quite easily. Always have, since i was a kid i would be more prone to getting carsick/bussick and i cannot read anything while in a moving vehicle. It makes me nauseous, and oh yea i get carsick too. So for me, K-holes or anything approaching that whatsoever are not my idea of fun-- a waste of ketamine IMO. I like stretching it out and saving it for an MDMA night.

That being said, ketamine by itself really isn't a very fun drug for me. I prefer small bumps to enhance other drugs... it helps reduce opiate tolerance too!! But the absolute BEST time for some K is just as I'm coming down from a roll... MDMA truly brings out the best in ketamine. These days it is pretty much the only time I take my vitamin K :)
 
bighooter said:
Im 140 pounds yet I dont understand why I didnt have an amazing k hole experience when I snorted 220mg.

Do you think its because Ive not had enough experience with it to fully understand it and allow myself to go into it.

Because even though I had a ringing sorta loud pneumatic sound and couldnt move I just didnt get warped into another dimension like I was hoping for.

I had the living room light on, was led down on my couch and had music on, yet even though I felt disconnected from myself I still knew that I was in my house and I let go.

I made 5 thin lines and snorted within 5minutes maybe alot of it went into the stomach, because I had alot of drips.

My previous experience was last week (approx 50-100mg snorted) and didnt get anywhere near k-holing just had a good time.

But up until that experience I havent used it for about 6months and even then I only did it about 20 times in the space of a year and k-holed once.


Any suggestions? Please help as Im desperate to actually see what all the fun is about.
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Shambles is right, your gear is cut... that is the only way to explain it. Did you crystallize it yourself from the vial?? The only way you could have is if you perhaps burned the ketamine in the solution... because 0.2 in a bump/line is a lot of pure K.

If you come across the vet vials, make sure you don't fry it too hot on the stove or something. I use indirect heat via a makeshift double-boiler. By this I mean I pour the liquid K onto a ceramic plate placed atop of a pot filled with water at a level a couple inches high or so, and bring the pot of water to a boil. The steam from the water applies a gentler, more stable heat source to the plate that vaporizes the water in the saline solution and eventually leaves you with K.

When all the moisture is gone take the plate off and scrape up all the residue... it should be mostly crystally-chunks of white residue that gather easily and can be crushed into a more powdery-type consistency, although IME it is NOT really a powder but just broken down crystals resembling sugar sort of.

If your gear has more of a pure powdery consistency it is definitely cut.
 
I have heard of someone, cant remember where, was getting prescribed ketamine for severe depression in the form of a nasal sprayer, 50mg shot

My wife would def say that a few very small bumps helped greatly with her depression for 3-4 days after
 
ok, since I last posted this. I have had about 3 experiences with ketamine.

Snorting a gram each time in the space of about 8-10 hours, doing small lines every 10-15 mins or so.

I still dont think I achieved a k-hole, because it was only when I closed my eyes it felt as if I had left my body and was going through to different dimensions but if I opened my eyes I was back in the room.
So this cant be classed as a k-hole?

I thought when you was in a k-hole you was fully anaesthized anyway? So doing 500mg in 1line (each nostril) would be a good way to achieve the k-hole?

This stuff is a different batch but when I cooked it up I noticed some bits of the K were slightly golden/brown in colour... i think I must of burnt it.

I want to inject I.M (I have an insulin 27g 1/2 syringe) but I just dont know if it will be easy to locate the muscle in my thigh.

I just think snorting is a waste of time and just leaves my nose blocked up for days.
 
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