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Ketamine, "2CB" Mandelin test results questions

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bunnyhentman

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I was testing some street pills and k for friends this weekend and had some odd results. My test kit is over a year old (I keep it in the refrigerator) so I am wondering if it's just that the reagent is too old?

I tested two batches of ketamine: The first turned very light brown after a few minutes but with big clumps of white powder that never dissolved/changed.

The second batch did not change color at all. It fizzed slightly. However, the people who tried it themselves felt (and acted like) it was standard k. This is why I am wondering if the reagent was incorrect.

I also tested some pills (crumbly, fleur-de-lis) which tested positive for mdma (strong) with the same mandelin and also marqui tests.

Would a mandelin reagent that is old fail to test for ketamine but still be accurate for mdma-type chemicals?

As an aside, I also tested a pill sold as mescaline but actually had "2cb" printed on it (hmm?? i know there is no way it would be actual mesc, although the pill owner was disappointed to hear it) that turned bright yellow with the mecke reagent which would indicate dxm? However it did not turn gray or bubble using the marquis test, it turned yellow but not as much as the mecke test. The pill was super hard and tough to scrape -- it basically shattered.

I'm going to order a new testing kit asap no matter what, I'm just a bit confused over whether these are terrible drugs or bad reagents.
 
That reaction to the "mescaline" pills may be indicating another common phenethylamine or amphetamine like 2C-E, 2C-T-7, DOM, DOC, etc that there might not even be test results listed for anywhere online.
 
Thanks, I've been continuing to look into this and am wondering if the "2cb" pill might have methylone in it or a ketone of some kind (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=236459).
I think it was European in origin, so it wouldn't surprise me -- I've never seen a pill imprinted with 2cb in the US but have heard of it in NL and UK...

Anyway, my primary goal isn't to id this on bluelight, but I was just wondering if old reagents would test well for one chemical (mdma) but fail to test for another (ketamine) or if the people in my sphere just get really shitty k... I never take k, so I don't have personal experience to judge.
 
No 2C-B in your pill. Fizz with no color change means piperazines, not ketamine. No 2C-B, since 2C-B changes color when tested. The first batch you tested sounds like ketamine cut with some white shit, hence the white shit that didnt dissolve or change color. Your test kit is still good if it hits on MDMA, and the ketamine. The second batch you tested was piperazines though. Or shitty K. There's no reason whatsoever the reagent would react differently to 2 different samples of the SAME chemical. Only logical solution is that the second batch is piperazines (classic piperazine reaction) or another unknown chemical that also causes bubbles and fizz with no color change and has no record online of being tested with the mandelin. You can check the Erowid Marquis FAQ. They have listed the reactions of various chemicals to the Marquis reagent, and a few with the mecke. Unfortunately, none with the mandelin reagent :( You're test kit is still good though. The first batch of K was just cut it sounds like. Second batch was probably piperazines from the reaction. Hope you found this helpful
 
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well you can't say 100% that it's piperazine without either trying it and comparing the feeling to a past piperazine experience or sending it to a lab (ecstasydata.org) for gc/ms analysis. but you can say 100% the second batch is not ketamine, and piperazines cause bubbling/fizz and sometimes some vapor to the mecke, mandelin, and marquis reagents. np for the advice ;)
 
Well I tested another sample of ketamine with the Mandelin reagent and it also fizzed slightly but turned a very distinct reddish brown exactly like the chart. I wonder if the slight fizzing is normal or may have to do with a filler. I'm inclined to think the sample that only fizzed was just completely inert, or so cut the amount sampled didn't react. I only tested it, so I won't know for sure.
 
What ^^ said. :)

Hold onto it if you can before you send it in, I heard that eData is in the process of regaining funding and co-pays for testing will drop back down to $35, instead of the $120 it is currently.

*crosses fingers* :)
 
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