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Ketamine (100mg) - 1st Time - What? It's over already?

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nickthecheese

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100mg Ketamine - 1st Time - What? It's over already?

Drug: "Ketamine" (this is what I was told it was)
Dosage: 1/10th of a gram (~100mg)
User Info: I am 180cm Tall (6") and 120kg's.
User Experance: I've used a few drugs before, however this was the only other dissociative that I had used besides Nitrous oxide. No other drugs taken that night. Ate a pizza before I commenced drug taking.
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Railed (inhaled) one "point" (100mg) of what I was told was Ketamine.
T+15
Wasn't feeling anything, decided to have one whippit (bulb, nang ect ect) of nitrous.
Bulb didn't feel any different than normal nitrous useage, dissociative ect.
T+20
Slight numb feeling, movement felt different, giggled abit.
T+30
Was still feeling the effects of the nitrous(?), but wasnt anything major, just slight buzz/tingle of the body...
T+45
Re-read Erowid, realised that the comeon time was ment to be 5-15 mins, as apposed to the 45 that I origionally informed of...
Slight effects, very slight feeling of "buzzing" in body.
All in all, who knows? I felt pretty ripped off, but I dont know, maybe I didn't have enough for my bodyweight. Still, I've heard great user experiances with this drug, so i'll definatley give it another try.
 
Im not a big fan of K....I railed an entire $20 bag in less than 3 minutes and was pretty disappointed....sure it messes you up but it only lasts like 45 minutes TOPS....with pretty minor visuals....I would recommend you take DXM because in my opinion DXM produces a sense of euphoria very similar to being in a "K hole"...
OUT
 
i would suggest next time you do it, if youre looking for the visual/dissociative(sp) aspect of it, try being by yourself and try not to really concentrate on anything...the more stimuli your body takes in the less visuals you get, unless you do a lot, then it really wont matter...i like to do it alone in my room with the lights off and maybe some low music playing in the background
 
I don't know what might have happened, but thanks for posting and keep us informed of your progress. I don't think it would've mattered in this case, but in the future you might want to try things on an empty stomach. Are you on any prescriptions?
 
Nope no prescriptions, and another person who had some from the same batch as me was compleatly off his tits.
who knows? my natural immunity? or just bad stuff?
 
Are you aware the sugar will cancel the effects of K because remeber it is a tranquilizer so if you plan on only doing a small amount make sure that you haven't eaten very recently because when your body processes and foods or drinks and puts the nutrients back to your body (sugar) primarily it will cancel the effects of the K. I would suggest not to eat with a couple hours of when you plan on doing it and making sure that you drink water or something that doesn't contain sugar. Of course you might want to keep a sugar packet on you though incase you put your self into a K - hole and you need / want to come out of it.
 
Dade - The only way sugar can cancel the effects of Ketamine in my experience is if the K powder is so heavily cut with sugar that there is no K left. Then you'll get nothing. (Also, it is my belief that giving people advice such as 'keep a packet of sugar on hand in case of a k-hole' is irresponsible and dangerous, unless you can provide really good reasons why this should work.)
It has been my experience that pure ketamine will pretty much stomp all over any other drug effects, you can be pilling, speeding, stoned, whatever and if you have some K, you'll be feeling like you're on K.
100mg of pure ketamine should be enough (insufflated) to produce Strong effects. Perhaps the original posters powder was cut, or impure?
BigTrancer :)
[ 19 March 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
I said nothing about cutting K with sugar. I myself would not suggest cutting K with anything.
If you have been using K and you want to lesson the effects of ketamine on your body, you can do this by getting sugar into your body either by drinking soda or eating candy or simply by taking a spoonful of sugar.
If you did some research and asked physicians about the effects of differant drugs on your body then you might be aware of this. I take it upon myself as a responsible drug user to know this information and share it with others as well.
So before being quick to judge get your info correct and make sure you know what your talking about first. :)
[ 20 March 2002: Message edited by: Dade ]
 
Perhaps if you were good enough to provide a reference to any source of medical information that advises sugar in case of ketamine overdose, or that explains how glucose can reduce the effects of ketamine at all, then you'd be more convincing? I just don't believe you, but I'm willing to look harder for evidence to support your case.
Emergency Treatment:
Any patient coming into the ED as a suspected ketamine overdose should initially receive routine advanced life support treatment: high flow O2, cardiac monitoring, frequent vital signs and intravenous access.
Treatment of most ketamine overdoses is generally supportive in nature based on whatever adverse effects are noted. Droperidol (Inapsine) and benzodiazepines can be administered to reduce sensory stimuli which may, in turn, reduce the incidence of psychomimetic effects of the drug.
Benzodiazepines have been shown to markedly reduce the incidence of dreams, hallucinations and illusions after ketamine overdose and their administration has been recommended on a routine basis.
Acute dystonic reactions, such as EPS, can be managed with diphenhydramine.
If seizures occur they can be managed with diazepam (Adults: 5-10 mg IV initially repeated every 10-15 minutes as needed. Children: 0.2-0.5 mg/kg initially, repeat every 5 minutes as needed) or lorazepam (Adults: 4-8 mg IV and Children: 0.05-0.1 mg/kg IV). With both monitor for respiratory depression and hypotension. If IV access is not available diazepam can be administered rectally.
If seizures are uncontrollable or return after diazepam (30 mg adults or 10 mg children) then it may be necessary to administer phenobarbital, phenytoin or fosphenytoin.
Patients should be protected from inadvertently harming themselves while in a disassociated state.
As with all overdoses it should never be assumed that ketamine was the only drug ingested. Urine toxicology screening should be performed on a routine basis.
Plasma ketamine levels are not clinically useful in the treatment of overdoses.
Mental health referral should be considered for all ketamine overdoses for both substance abuse screening and education as well as for neuropsychological evaluation for long-term side effects.
Prompt identification and treatment of ketamine overdoses generally result in full recovery of most patients.
No sugar. Not at any stage of overdose treatment. If it was as good at reducing the effects of ketamine as you seem to think, then wouldn't it be #1 overdose treatment? Even a simple glucose drip would be easier than shooting someone full of benzo's or administering oxygen and life support.
I acknowledge that some of the neuropsychiatric effects of ketamine can be moderated by NMDA receptor antagonists such as lamotrigine (as shown in eg. A. Anand et. al, Arch.Gen.Psych. 57 p270-276 (2000)). However, lamotrigine is also found to enhance the mood-elevating effects of ketamine at the same time as reducing perceptual distortions, rather than reducing all of the ketamine effects.
I'd like to read any references that state that sugar is an antidote for ketamine.
BigTrancer :)
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I dunno BT, considering I drank alot of Coca-cola and other sugary carbonated drinks before i took the Ket, maybe it does have somthing to do why I didn't get any effect.
 
Experiment:
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1. Line of K
let it wear of on its own, take a notice of the time
2. Do the same amount and drink Mountain Dew or some other Soda, or eat some candy or mix a couple spoon fulls of sugar in some water and drink it after taking the K. See for yourself what happens.
- Now if your a person that muscle pops (sticks a needle in themselves), it may not have and effect on this; advice to those who do this ==> GO TO RE-HAB!
Good bye, and Happy Cracking!
[ 02 April 2002: Message edited by: Dade ]
 
Please keep the tone of this discussion civil.
Dade posted: "Are you aware the sugar will cancel the effects of K"
I think people were asking for some evidence to back up your statement. If it is your anecdotal opinion, Dade, then just say so. Or let us know if it is something you read somewhere. No one should be attacking you, we are just curious about this information.
 
Very true Catch-22,
Dade, we aren't attacking YOU, simply asking you to provide some medical/scientific proof of your statements.
 
I did a shitload of K over Easter weekend and was munching on easter candy almost the entire time. The K seemed to last just as long as any other time I've done it.
Dade, what you are claiming about sugar isn't really a proven fact. It's more of an urban drug-legend... kinda like milk killing an acid trip. It makes sense from a elementry school science class point of view, since an acid (like LSD) will be neutralized by a base (like milk). Unfortunatly it doesn't work. The suger/K theory works on those same lines. K = downer, suger = upper. Wouldn't a downer and an upper cancel each other out? Nope. Some people mix coke and heroin, some folks mix K and meth, some folks mix coffee and pot... you get the picture.
Adios,
Steve
 
For those that are in disbelief of it try it your self. I do not have any written documentation of this. Just information passed to me from my friends dad who is a doctor that is aware of my drug usage. I have been using K for a year now and countless times using sugar to sober myself up from k-holes as well as my friends.
 
Oh well... a placebo cure is still a cure, I guess. Maybe it works because you think it will, and if so I don't want to convince you otherwise.
I just wish people would provide tangible scientific or medical evidence when asserting something as a physiological fact. Researchers go to a lot of trouble to prove or disprove physical principles in general cases. With a bit of looking you'd be able to find out whether the effect you notice is particular to yourself, or a generally accepted fact.
BigTrancer :)
 
Lingo ^^^^
milk doesn't kill bad acid trips!
you have to eat a whole tube of toothpaste!
DUH!
greenies soon learn not to take on BT.Damn he knows his shit
 
BigTrancer said:
It has been my experience that pure ketamine will pretty much stomp all over any other drug effects, you can be pilling, speeding, stoned, whatever and if you have some K, you'll be feeling like you're on K.
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Haha, so true. Ages ago I shot two points of speed (probably cut about 1:1) with about 50mg K, I couldn't feel the speed at all until the K wore off, I was just monged for a while, then came off the K to a speed plateau.
 
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