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Opioids Keeping opiate tolerance to a minimum

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JonTheBaptist82

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I know that the DXM in Nyquil works as a potentiator for opiates and can help someone get high off a lower dose, but how long should you wait before recreationally using recreational amounts of opiates to keep tolerance down? Is there a washout period? I love hydrocodone and oxy, but know that if I take them everyday I will develop a costly addiction, and I want to push the limit without having a habit. At least not a physical one ;)

Thanks in advance
 
Theres talk of dxm being able to block or reverse tolerance, but lets be honest here, if you're talking about ways to avoid an addiction to opiates, don't you see the future is sort of already spelled out?

You're not going to get higher of a smaller amount, you're just going to feel it at less, but can still be addicted to that amount.

Only fail safe way to not get addicted, is don't do opiates everyday. However, personally I find that dxm has helped great with withdrawals and making me feel better, and even help reverse tolerance.

Also, you said "how long should you wait before recreationally using recreational amounts of opiates" ? How long from what, and why would you use recreational amounts of opiates without a recreational purpose ?
 
really, eventually your opiate use is going to catch up with you at some point. Everyone starts out where you are at, and before you know it they are in too deep. Very few can keep the opiates at bay, especially those with easy access to them. I suggest getting off now before any troubles arise. It's just that everyone (for the most part) starts this route, only to not being able to get off.

There is no frame to avoid dependency with a drug that's so easy to get lost in. You would want to keep your usage to once a month, but it always starts at that before it goes to once a week, and so on.
 
JamtasticX said:
Theres talk of dxm being able to block or reverse tolerance, but lets be honest here, if you're talking about ways to avoid an addiction to opiates, don't you see the future is sort of already spelled out?

You're not going to get higher of a smaller amount, you're just going to feel it at less, but can still be addicted to that amount.

Only fail safe way to not get addicted, is don't do opiates everyday. However, personally I find that dxm has helped great with withdrawals and making me feel better, and even help reverse tolerance.

Also, you said "how long should you wait before recreationally using recreational amounts of opiates" ? How long from what, and why would you use recreational amounts of opiates without a recreational purpose ?
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No, I don't see my future spelled out. Diving head first into something without learning more about it is foolish in my book, i'm just seeking advice from more experienced users. I guess its really a matter of how you define addiction. If you drink socially every weekend your whole life are you an alcoholic? I know I can't get higher off a smaller amount but I can keep my recreational dose lower by taking certain steps, one of which I was told was finding good potentiators.

I know the power of an opiate high, and can see it becoming a problem in the future if I don't know the boundary between being a recreational user and a functional addict. If there isn't an answer, I can accept that and will just have to trust my own judgement.

I was asking how long one should wait before getting high again. Obviously, daily use will bring about dependency... using every other day might do the same... how about twice a week? Once a week? What kind of effect will the opiates have on your physical well being after that amount of use?
 
Also, I know heroin addicts who can't hold down a job and live off the state, and I know people who are addicted to oxy and can have relationships and a career and a seemingly normal lifestyle. I guess its just a flip of the coin
 
He said that you will get addicted, he never specified if you woulf be a functional addict or a total junkie. Either way, it is not what you want for yourself. I am a functional opiate addict, and I very much regret getting hooked on opiates.

The best course of action is to stop using opiates entirely. Of course you probably won't listen. For some reason, you think that it won't happen to you; but you are wrong. You are going to get burned if you keep playing with fire
 
Ur already addicted and dont know it. trust me every opiate addict started where your at if you dont minimize ur use ur gonna fuck urself over. thats the thing with opiate addiction you dont become aware or rather accept that ur becoming addicted to opiates.

Only use like 2 or 3 times a month anymore than that even once a week is gonna lead to addiction.
 
I've been using codine for around 5 months now. I keep telling myself I'm not addicted as I can go at least 2 weeks without it, but I'm still doing it. I don't feel the "need" to do it, but I WANT to do it. I plan days to do it where I won't be around people and have time to do an extraction, and if something interferes with those plans and I don't get my codeine, I get irritable and not fun to be around. It was only recently I came to this realisation. You may not be at this stage yet, but you will think you're not ddicted because you only do it "every now and then" but you're still doing it. You want it. Maybe that's just me.

As a side note, my tolerance is now above 500mg to get high on codeine. I'm going to start poppy pods soon probably. I've managed to put it off for now, but a CWE on 60+ pills done properly takes around 3 hours. It's becoming a hassle. This is after just 5 months (almost 6). Yes, everyone is different but I said the same thing as everyone else when I started, "that won't be me... I'll never go onto anything stronger and I'm going to be so careful not to get addicted..." ... well here I am, still doing them and I'm so close to going onto stronger, more addictive substances.

Apologies, I may have gone off topic a bit here, I can't even remember what your question was. I'm supposed to be doing college work (I'm a functional opiate user :D)

Edit: Btw I only used once every week or two.
 
A lot of people think of addiction different ways, personally I think of addiction as when you're doing crazy things to feel normal you otherwise wouldn't do. Robbing a store to buy money for heroin, when you could just not do the heroin? and so on.

Yes, you can be a functioning addict, but you still have to do the drug to feel normal.

If you can just use the drug occasionally, I wouldn't consider you to be an addict, I can smoke weed whenever, and never consider myself addicted, the same as alcohol, but can't with opiates. Sucks. But if you're questioning ways to not become addicted, you will ultimately become addicted, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Personally I believe people who don't know anything about addiction will be much better off. To prove this point: Imagine a 5 year old and a 20 year old, both addicted to heroin. The 5 year old is being drugged, and has no idea when or how (so it's not as though their behavior is modified, and they think drinking the soda will make me feel better) and the 20 year old is straight shooting heroin. On a given day both of them are cut off. Both will go through the same withdrawals, both will feel the same amount of pain. One is very likely, actualy 100% likely to just pass it over as a cold, and move on with life, the other is more likely to do something drastic to chase the high, knowing they can alleviate the problem. By even knowing you can be addicted/worrying about addiction, you actually set the switch to allow yourself to be addicted, and eventually you'll end up in a bad situation.
 
its amazing what opiates can do for ones self
but people are right its hard to keep addiction at bay ecspecially if you have easy access to them you think you will be ok and before you know it your selling your grandmas tv to get buy guess we all have our demons
 
I too was a "recreational" heroin user...then one day I started to want then NEED dope every single day. I had to learn the hard way...sadly you and many others will follow in my footsteps if you don't stop while you have a much better chance.

Scenecore1 said:
it really does blow my mind how similar some of you guys are to how addiction sucked me in wow small world
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We all have the same brain. :)
 
yeah there's no way to tell how often you can use without becoming an addict. When I broke my arm I was only taking a half to maybe two percs at a time but before i knew it i was taking 20 at a time which led to shooting heroin so yeah....doesn't matter how you start out because more than likely it'll end up being an addiction. Not something you can play around with.
 
I'll usually use about twice a week and I haven't had any problems. I also enjoy a couple of drinks and I feel nice. That being said, I only take perc 10's so its nothing major. I feel I should also mention I've been around a lot of opiate users and it usually gets upgraded and more frequent so be very careful because they definitely have the potential to wreck your life
 
when in rome said:
I'll usually use about twice a week and I haven't had any problems. I also enjoy a couple of drinks and I feel nice. That being said, I only take perc 10's so its nothing major. I feel I should also mention I've been around a lot of opiate users and it usually gets upgraded and more frequent so be very careful because they definitely have the potential to wreck your life
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See, there aren't enough people like you out there. At least they don't post on message boards. People make it seem as if their aren't any casual users out there... I wonder if thats just a stigma associated with opiate use or if only those with addictions think percs are worthy of conversation.

A bit off topic but... how do you all think bupe figures into opiate use/recovery? Is it safer to use bupe? I hear it affects your brain differently and completely removes the threat of physical withdrawals when taken properly... if thats true, all you would need is a strong mindset and you should be able to stop taking opiates whenever you please.

Or am I wrong?
 
JonTheBaptist82 said:
See, there aren't enough people like you out there. At least they don't post on message boards. People make it seem as if their aren't any casual users out there... I wonder if thats just a stigma associated with opiate use or if only those with addictions think percs are worthy of conversation.

A bit off topic but... how do you all think bupe figures into opiate use/recovery? Is it safer to use bupe? I hear it affects your brain differently and completely removes the threat of physical withdrawals when taken properly... if thats true, all you would need is a strong mindset and you should be able to stop taking opiates whenever you please.

Or am I wrong?
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Depends on what you mean, because your wording is sort of iffy, I'm going to say you're wrong, and assuming you think bupe won't cause withdrawls on its own.

Technically you said "removes the threat of physical withdrawals when taken properly" which would be true. If you take suboxone every day as told to for the rest of your life, you will never have opiate withdrawals. I don't think you meant this however. Suboxone is a very strong opiod with high affinity, and although its a partial agonist/antagonist (which is where you got the affect brain differently), it will still raise your tolerance/give withdrawals just like a full agonist. Opiate naive people can take very small dosages of suboxone ~4mg and be completely retarded.

You ask if it is safer? Hard to give a yes or no, because it depends what you mean. It has a ceiling, so you can't take more and be in risk of more cns depression, however, it's possible to take a large amount with no tolerance and overdose, although very rare. As far as causing addiction, if I had to choose between sub withdrawal over another opiate say heroin, the heroin might be easier to go through. You can most certainly get addicted to suboxone, and suboxone alone will not remove the threat of withdrawals. If you took heroin/sub/heroin/sub on and off every day, you'd still be addicted, you're just switching one for the other and feeling high or normal, either way if you stop you'll be in withdrawal. Suboxone is primarily used as a maitenence and not as a detox, and people just switch over to it from other opiates, but are by all means addicted to it;
 
The more and more I read opiate threads like this on bluelight, the more and more I think it's something I don't want to play with anymore.
 
^^^whitemilk,,smart idea,,, honestly. opiates are like some kinda black hole that just suck people in and by the time you realize you've been sucked in you are well past the 'event horizon' if you haven't passed that point yet, please turn back while you can.

To quickly reply to the op's question about suboxone, don't kid yourself, suboxone sucks, if you are addicted to good opiates, ya suboxone will stave off withdraw as long as you never stop talking it, but you are still addicted and have to take it daily to avoid getting sick and be locked in to dr appointments , drug tests (no more weed, nothing), counseling etc etc, dont know about you, but not my idea of a good time.

ok before someone jumps down my throat for this, yes suboxone can be an amazing help if YOU REALLY WANT to stop using or have become very self destructive and need an out.

I normally avoid replying to threads like this as I really hate to come off as telling people what to do or being preachy, plus i highly doubt anyone is gonna listen anyway.

Now with that being said, yes there are many functional "addicts" on opiates but its still an addiction, even for functional addicts its still a form of slavery to a pill/powder and will effect your life .. want to go on vacation? got enough pills/dope to go away for a few days? no? well you aren't going. got a lot of work to do but low on pills/dope and feelin shitty, probably wont get done. In a relationship? too sick to have sex this week? bummer. So ya, you can be a functional addict many are, but this is still a reality they live with (speaking from experience).

Now personally i feel prohibition and the fear of someone feeling pleasure causes the majority of the problems associated drugs and drug use even with doctors being afraid to prescribe legal opiates to people in pain, which will often lead them to seek illegal means to self medicate to treat the pain. which may or may not be the best idea,but it sill happens pretty often.
 
Jon, if you tell people you drink alcohol it is widely accepted, almost expected. If you tell people you use opiates they will assume that you're a junky. Everything should be used responsibly and in moderation though. I like fast food too but I don't intend to eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
 
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