Seattle_Stranger
Bluelighter
I've messed around with kanna here and there, had some confusing experiences, so positive ones, and a handful of bad ones, however I never followed the "reverse tolerance" rules that kanna apparently has, meaning one must use it regularly for a while before the desired effects begin to take place. So, over the past week or so, I've been smoking a small dab of kanna atop good quality cannabis, ~once a day. Over the past two days, I have been experimenting with orally dosing. Here is my report from yesterday's experience:
Primary substance: Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum)
Dosage: 500mg ground/chopped leaf material
ROA: Oral, steeped in water ~5 mins
Time of first alerts: ~15 minutes after ingestion
Duration of effects: The entire rest of the day
Other substances ingested day-of experience: Kratom (8g), cannabis (1 bowl), Tagamet 400mg (cimetidine, an OTC antacid)
~9am - Rise and shine, pop 400mg cimetidine in anticipation of my daily kratom dose before work. As of late I have been using kratom every day and my tolerance has skyrocketed. Chances are I wasn't going to feel much from the kratom.
~10am - Smoke a bowl of excellent cannabis, head off to work
~1pm - Return home for lunch, after reading a bit more about kanna, I decide to try mixing ~500mg into tea. I mix it in with a small bit of warm water, chase it down with a swig of soda.
...15 minutes later...
I'm starting to feel the tell tale 'serotonin-sensations' that I always get when using a serotonergic substance like MDMA or mushrooms. I begin to notice all the same feelings I get from smoking kanna, except they're onsetting much more smoothly and less invasive. I'm astonished I'm getting beyond-placebo effects so quickly! Having rolled only a couple weeks ago, the feelings of MDMA are fresh in my memory. Kanna almost feels exactly like the very first alerts to an MDMA roll. I remember a few weeks ago, I was on the dancefloor with my girlfriend, we had both dropped ~80mg caps of extremely clean (Marquis tested) MDMA crystal about an hour ago, and the very first things I notice are that my hands get sweaty, I feel a slight pressure behind my eyes, and I feel "weak" for lack of a better description. Basically I get a feeling that comes over me that is not quite euphoric yet, not quite empathy, if anything it's kinda an anxious feeling, and it simply feels like I couldn't fight someone if I had to, couldn't defend myself, couldn't lift something heavy, couldn't be aggressive, etc.. Then after a while, feelings of comfort, stimulation and a very 'chemical' euphoria begin taking effect. Aside from the chemical euphoria that MDMA gives, kanna feels literally almost exactly the same.
...over the next 30 minutes....
There is minor anxiety present, but I can also see a definite sharpening of vision, brightening of colors, even a possible increase in sound volume similar to what I get with tobacco. There is a building warmness in my chest similar to taking a shot of whiskey but not nearly as intense. I notice very minor nausea so I begin drinking water. I also notice a very minor feeling of intoxication/decrease in motor skills maybe similar to having taken only one small shot of alcohol or smoking a bowl of weed. Not enough to impair me or my judgement, but enough to know something's happening in there. I decide to return back to work a tad late because I'm starting to feel strong effects and I don't know how intense this is going to get. I start typing up an email to send to my boss at work saying I "suddenly have a stomach ache and want to ride out the rest of the day at home" which would have been just fine....however by the time I was done writing the email, most negative symptoms disappeared, the intense 'come up' had passed and now I was left feeling stimulated, awake, alert and dare I say borderline euphoric! I delete the half-typed email and head back to work.
I check the mirror and my pupils are gigantic.
...the remainder of the work day...
While at work, I notice colors around the office are significantly more vivid. When I put on headphones, the music sounded absolutely captivating, 3-dimensional, clear and deep, similar to how it sounds on mushrooms. I also notice that I have this extremely pleasurable pressure behind my eyes that I only get when using strong stimulants like amphetamine or MDMA/MDA. I feel like my eyes are being (gently) forced open and pushed outward, resulting in a "I'M AWAKE AND READY!!!!" kind of feeling but not quite tweaky/speedy/pushy. Very reminiscent of the moderately speedy effects of MDMA. I felt a calmness that I had trouble fully appreciating because of the minor accompanying stimulant-like-anxiety. In many ways, this experience was similar to a higher dose of Adderall, except for some reason I was enjoying this much more, whereas Adderall anxiety nearly cripples me. There was a part of me that felt awkwardly 'normalized', I felt a certain acceptance of my life that I had not felt in a long time. Almost like a lifting of my general depression.....something I've not felt in years.
These effects continued strong for the rest of the work day. Everything remained very bright and over saturated, my eyes continued to have the 'popping' feeling, and the calmness persisted. It's such a weird calmness though. I'll do my best to explain it: It wasn't like a true euphoric sense of well-being like kratom or opioids give, everything is awesome, I feel great, etc.. Not like that at all, I still had anxiety and my usual feelings of discomfort/ansyness however I didn't feel depressed about life, anxious about the future, etc.. I stayed at work really late for no reason and when I left I felt like I could've easily stayed much longer, and I wasn't even doing anything in particular. Usually, come 5pm, I want to leave work so badly that I give myself an anxiety attack sometimes... 8( So this particular effect stood out to me.
....the remainder of the evening....
I got home, smoked a bowl of cannabis and checked the mirror again. My pupils were still the size of dimes, I still felt the eye-pressure, colors still saturated, and perhaps decreased anxiety at this point. I turned on music and it still sounded incredible. My girlfriend wants to see me tonight which means I not only have to drive 30 minutes to get there, but then she'll probably want me to stay the night, which results in a pain-in-the-ass commute to work the next morning. Normally, this situation makes me a bit anxious and irritable, knowing that I have to not only endure the traffic, but also because I often get anxiety attacks when not spending the night in my own home. However tonight, I just took it all in stride, I just knew what I had to do and just did it, drove to her house, took her out for dinner and drinks, had a blast, went back to her place, and found myself feeling more 'at home' at her place than I had ever felt. Again, I still was far from euphoric, however I felt very "OK" with everything, and not depressed/anxious about life. A few shots of whiskey and a bowl and I was in a great place!! I eventually layed down in bed with her and drifted off without any issues.
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Today I have taken 3 consecutive smaller oral doses of kanna, 200mg each, one in the morning, one at lunch and one about 3 hours after lunch. This morning I felt the same coming-up effects as yesterday, albeit far less intense with almost no anxiety at all. All the same feelings as yesterday except a little less intense. Again, today I just feel this strange "OKness" with life, as if I am completely free of depression. This is absolutely astonishing for a very anxious/depressive person like myself.
Thanks for reading! I'd love to hear more success stories with kanna! I would love to be able to achieve an actual euphoric state with this substance. I feel like it could potentially be perfect for a night out! Perhaps a higher dose might give more euphoric effects? I'm afraid of dosing higher because I don't want to get the crippling anxiety I've gotten from it in the past from smoking too much of it.
Primary substance: Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum)
Dosage: 500mg ground/chopped leaf material
ROA: Oral, steeped in water ~5 mins
Time of first alerts: ~15 minutes after ingestion
Duration of effects: The entire rest of the day
Other substances ingested day-of experience: Kratom (8g), cannabis (1 bowl), Tagamet 400mg (cimetidine, an OTC antacid)
~9am - Rise and shine, pop 400mg cimetidine in anticipation of my daily kratom dose before work. As of late I have been using kratom every day and my tolerance has skyrocketed. Chances are I wasn't going to feel much from the kratom.
~10am - Smoke a bowl of excellent cannabis, head off to work
~1pm - Return home for lunch, after reading a bit more about kanna, I decide to try mixing ~500mg into tea. I mix it in with a small bit of warm water, chase it down with a swig of soda.
...15 minutes later...
I'm starting to feel the tell tale 'serotonin-sensations' that I always get when using a serotonergic substance like MDMA or mushrooms. I begin to notice all the same feelings I get from smoking kanna, except they're onsetting much more smoothly and less invasive. I'm astonished I'm getting beyond-placebo effects so quickly! Having rolled only a couple weeks ago, the feelings of MDMA are fresh in my memory. Kanna almost feels exactly like the very first alerts to an MDMA roll. I remember a few weeks ago, I was on the dancefloor with my girlfriend, we had both dropped ~80mg caps of extremely clean (Marquis tested) MDMA crystal about an hour ago, and the very first things I notice are that my hands get sweaty, I feel a slight pressure behind my eyes, and I feel "weak" for lack of a better description. Basically I get a feeling that comes over me that is not quite euphoric yet, not quite empathy, if anything it's kinda an anxious feeling, and it simply feels like I couldn't fight someone if I had to, couldn't defend myself, couldn't lift something heavy, couldn't be aggressive, etc.. Then after a while, feelings of comfort, stimulation and a very 'chemical' euphoria begin taking effect. Aside from the chemical euphoria that MDMA gives, kanna feels literally almost exactly the same.
...over the next 30 minutes....
There is minor anxiety present, but I can also see a definite sharpening of vision, brightening of colors, even a possible increase in sound volume similar to what I get with tobacco. There is a building warmness in my chest similar to taking a shot of whiskey but not nearly as intense. I notice very minor nausea so I begin drinking water. I also notice a very minor feeling of intoxication/decrease in motor skills maybe similar to having taken only one small shot of alcohol or smoking a bowl of weed. Not enough to impair me or my judgement, but enough to know something's happening in there. I decide to return back to work a tad late because I'm starting to feel strong effects and I don't know how intense this is going to get. I start typing up an email to send to my boss at work saying I "suddenly have a stomach ache and want to ride out the rest of the day at home" which would have been just fine....however by the time I was done writing the email, most negative symptoms disappeared, the intense 'come up' had passed and now I was left feeling stimulated, awake, alert and dare I say borderline euphoric! I delete the half-typed email and head back to work.
I check the mirror and my pupils are gigantic.
...the remainder of the work day...
While at work, I notice colors around the office are significantly more vivid. When I put on headphones, the music sounded absolutely captivating, 3-dimensional, clear and deep, similar to how it sounds on mushrooms. I also notice that I have this extremely pleasurable pressure behind my eyes that I only get when using strong stimulants like amphetamine or MDMA/MDA. I feel like my eyes are being (gently) forced open and pushed outward, resulting in a "I'M AWAKE AND READY!!!!" kind of feeling but not quite tweaky/speedy/pushy. Very reminiscent of the moderately speedy effects of MDMA. I felt a calmness that I had trouble fully appreciating because of the minor accompanying stimulant-like-anxiety. In many ways, this experience was similar to a higher dose of Adderall, except for some reason I was enjoying this much more, whereas Adderall anxiety nearly cripples me. There was a part of me that felt awkwardly 'normalized', I felt a certain acceptance of my life that I had not felt in a long time. Almost like a lifting of my general depression.....something I've not felt in years.
These effects continued strong for the rest of the work day. Everything remained very bright and over saturated, my eyes continued to have the 'popping' feeling, and the calmness persisted. It's such a weird calmness though. I'll do my best to explain it: It wasn't like a true euphoric sense of well-being like kratom or opioids give, everything is awesome, I feel great, etc.. Not like that at all, I still had anxiety and my usual feelings of discomfort/ansyness however I didn't feel depressed about life, anxious about the future, etc.. I stayed at work really late for no reason and when I left I felt like I could've easily stayed much longer, and I wasn't even doing anything in particular. Usually, come 5pm, I want to leave work so badly that I give myself an anxiety attack sometimes... 8( So this particular effect stood out to me.
....the remainder of the evening....
I got home, smoked a bowl of cannabis and checked the mirror again. My pupils were still the size of dimes, I still felt the eye-pressure, colors still saturated, and perhaps decreased anxiety at this point. I turned on music and it still sounded incredible. My girlfriend wants to see me tonight which means I not only have to drive 30 minutes to get there, but then she'll probably want me to stay the night, which results in a pain-in-the-ass commute to work the next morning. Normally, this situation makes me a bit anxious and irritable, knowing that I have to not only endure the traffic, but also because I often get anxiety attacks when not spending the night in my own home. However tonight, I just took it all in stride, I just knew what I had to do and just did it, drove to her house, took her out for dinner and drinks, had a blast, went back to her place, and found myself feeling more 'at home' at her place than I had ever felt. Again, I still was far from euphoric, however I felt very "OK" with everything, and not depressed/anxious about life. A few shots of whiskey and a bowl and I was in a great place!! I eventually layed down in bed with her and drifted off without any issues.
........
Today I have taken 3 consecutive smaller oral doses of kanna, 200mg each, one in the morning, one at lunch and one about 3 hours after lunch. This morning I felt the same coming-up effects as yesterday, albeit far less intense with almost no anxiety at all. All the same feelings as yesterday except a little less intense. Again, today I just feel this strange "OKness" with life, as if I am completely free of depression. This is absolutely astonishing for a very anxious/depressive person like myself.
Thanks for reading! I'd love to hear more success stories with kanna! I would love to be able to achieve an actual euphoric state with this substance. I feel like it could potentially be perfect for a night out! Perhaps a higher dose might give more euphoric effects? I'm afraid of dosing higher because I don't want to get the crippling anxiety I've gotten from it in the past from smoking too much of it.
