Kanna "flips"

[Esperighanto]

Hey guys, I've mixed Kanna with a shit ton of drugs over the years, usually as oral doses of 200-500mg of 200-400x extracts) that sometimes I'll insufflate instead of eat. LSA, LSD, Bupropion, amphetamine, (dangerously and I'm small amounts) ayahuasca, vaporized DMT, Psilocybin containing mushrooms, and lotus all provided fascinating experiences from this, since I've certainly been able to roll off of an adequately large dose of Kanna.

My favorites were LSA, LSD, lotus and mushrooms, they were like these odd versions of plant based candy flipping if you got the doses right, and then took the Kanna. High dose lotus extracts felt like that uniquely euphoric buzz of taking half a bar of Xanax with maybe like 30-50mg of MDMA. LSD just felt flavored by the Kanna which I dosed later into the trip, but it felt very overwhelmed by the acid, I suspect of too much acid relative to Kanna in the mix. Mushrooms and Kanna truly feel like they're meant to be together in my opinion, and with lotus in the mix in small amounts (with caapi tea and Lemon Zest flavoring it's beautiful) the experience has been almost guaranteed to be magical and comfortable like a bath robe under a comforter.

What have you guys mixed with Kanna, in what doses/effects and to what purpose?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Always considered it as barely/ not active, the extraxts.
But did it go oral or up my nose? To long ago to remember, but is it snortable?
Some substances like herbal extracts seem a bit hard for the nose to handle/ absorb.
As its probably not a whitish powder like Coke or Amphetamine, more like a Kratom extract green.
But that seems not to be with Kanna extracts, its not the drip but it gets taken up in the nose.

This sounds opposite to my experience, was it the batch.
As this does make me reconsider it again, what am I supposed to feel without mixing.
How does it make you feel?

 

[Esperighanto]

Always considered it as barely/ not active, the extraxts.
But did it go oral or up my nose? To long ago to remember, but is it snortable?
Some substances like herbal extracts seem a bit hard for the nose to handle/ absorb.
As its probably not a whitish powder like Coke or Amphetamine, more like a Kratom extract green.
But that seems not to be with Kanna extracts, its not the drip but it gets taken up in the nose.

This sounds opposite to my experience, was it the batch.
As this does make me reconsider it again, what am I supposed to feel without mixing.
How does it make you feel?

Maybe it was a batch to batch difference, but it certainly has a lot in common with MDXX compounds in the 250mg+ range of a 400x-500x extract. Pupillary dilation, extreme euphoria, "molly like skin sensitivity", an empathogenic headspace, MDA-like visuals when mixed with cannabis, some batches also had a slight sedation like you get on an MDA come up. We were usually eating it and insufflating some on top of that, and it specifically induced literally life changing impacts on people who'd never used an empathogen before, but a friend who'd used MDMA hundreds of times often in 1g+ amounts, and my boyfriend who was on lamotrigine and aripiprazole felt only stimulation. I'd used MDA/MDMA maybe 15-20 times in normal amounts at this point and it was fully functional for me as an empathogen.

Eating 500mg had me pouring sweat, shivering, pacing around my kitchen with every emotion I never knew I'd felt involuntarily spilling out of my mouth, if MDXX compounds allow you to view what lies inside emotionally as a window (the Shulgins used to call it "window" iirc), then Kanna was a lot more like breaking a dam and letting everything just flood out.

 

[Didgital]

I find Kanna actually to be quite a fascinating plant, and I'm surprised I don't see it being discussed here more often because it does have strong psychoactive effects. So thank you for bringing the topic up.

Sadly, I don't have much to contribute as far as Kanna Combos go. This is mainly because I've had concerns about the SRI properties of mesembrine, kanna's principle alkaloid. I was worried that in conjunction with serotonin releasing compounds or even compounds that interact with 5HT2a, that it could cause serotonin syndrome.

I had been given 3 capsules of 100mg of kanna extract. The material inside the capsules was snow white but I have no idea of their potency. What my boss did tell me, was that I would get stronger effects the more I took it. So i took the first capsule and wasn't disappointed when effects were not felt. The next day, I took another capsule and still felt no effect. So I wrote it off as being inactive. A few days later however, I was getting ready for work and I took a few gummies of cordyceps extract that I had made and was substituting for coffee. I see the 3rd kanna capsule and think "well it's not going to do anything to me" and I swallow it. I run out the door. On my morning commute in the middle of heavy traffic, I start rolling balls. I felt euphoric, increased tactile intensity, and maybe a lightheadedness. I get to work and my two coworkers immediately notice that I'm fucked up. One of the coworkers I'd been having a bit of a fling with and we sneak into a more hidden area and have a very intense makeout session that I still think about to this day. 2 hours later, all psychoactive effects were gone.

Kanna is wild though. I hear theres even Kanna vapes out there...

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I find Kanna actually to be quite a fascinating plant, and I'm surprised I don't see it being discussed here more often because it does have strong psychoactive effects. So thank you for bringing the topic up.

Sadly, I don't have much to contribute as far as Kanna Combos go. This is mainly because I've had concerns about the SRI properties of mesembrine, kanna's principle alkaloid. I was worried that in conjunction with serotonin releasing compounds or even compounds that interact with 5HT2a, that it could cause serotonin syndrome.

I had been given 3 capsules of 100mg of kanna extract. The material inside the capsules was snow white but I have no idea of their potency. What my boss did tell me, was that I would get stronger effects the more I took it. So i took the first capsule and wasn't disappointed when effects were not felt. The next day, I took another capsule and still felt no effect. So I wrote it off as being inactive. A few days later however, I was getting ready for work and I took a few gummies of cordyceps extract that I had made and was substituting for coffee. I see the 3rd kanna capsule and think "well it's not going to do anything to me" and I swallow it. I run out the door. On my morning commute in the middle of heavy traffic, I start rolling balls. I felt euphoric, increased tactile intensity, and maybe a lightheadedness. I get to work and my two coworkers immediately notice that I'm fucked up. One of the coworkers I'd been having a bit of a fling with and we sneak into a more hidden area and have a very intense makeout session that I still think about to this day. 2 hours later, all psychoactive effects were gone.

Kanna is wild though. I hear theres even Kanna vapes out there...

I like the sound of your place of work.

 

[Didgital]

:D It was pretty cool while it lasted. It was basically working at a legal highs factory synthesizing novel drugs and extracting anything and everything. so it's not surprising that my boss gave me some kanna extract. Mostly amazing people. I think about that girl every day. But I quit because the owners started getting super shady, and were intentionally mislabeling cannabinoids that I would synthesize as well as dumping toxic chemicals behind the warehouse. When I started getting calls about the fake HHC from around the country I went to the bosses and said hey this is a serious problem. They said "Didgital, don't worry about it, this is management's decision" I gave them my 2 weeks pretty quick and threatened to call department of health, epa in a rage. They paid for my last 2 weeks and said I could go to hawaii to visit my mom, and that I could return to work after. I did not return. They ended up getting shut down by first the department of public health, but then the EPA got involved because they had 70 barrels of mixed and unlabeled solvent waste.

Anyway not trying to derail the thread, Kanna is pretty cool, and I wish more people knew about it.

 

[G_Chem]

:D It was pretty cool while it lasted. It was basically working at a legal highs factory synthesizing novel drugs and extracting anything and everything. so it's not surprising that my boss gave me some kanna extract. Mostly amazing people. I think about that girl every day. But I quit because the owners started getting super shady, and were intentionally mislabeling cannabinoids that I would synthesize as well as dumping toxic chemicals behind the warehouse. When I started getting calls about the fake HHC from around the country I went to the bosses and said hey this is a serious problem. They said "Didgital, don't worry about it, this is management's decision" I gave them my 2 weeks pretty quick and threatened to call department of health, epa in a rage. They paid for my last 2 weeks and said I could go to hawaii to visit my mom, and that I could return to work after. I did not return. They ended up getting shut down by first the department of public health, but then the EPA got involved because they had 70 barrels of mixed and unlabeled solvent waste.

Anyway not trying to derail the thread, Kanna is pretty cool, and I wish more people knew about it.

Any interesting substances you guys come across that you don’t hear about often?

-GC

 

[daturetard]

:D It was pretty cool while it lasted. It was basically working at a legal highs factory synthesizing novel drugs and extracting anything and everything. so it's not surprising that my boss gave me some kanna extract. Mostly amazing people. I think about that girl every day. But I quit because the owners started getting super shady, and were intentionally mislabeling cannabinoids that I would synthesize as well as dumping toxic chemicals behind the warehouse. When I started getting calls about the fake HHC from around the country I went to the bosses and said hey this is a serious problem. They said "Didgital, don't worry about it, this is management's decision" I gave them my 2 weeks pretty quick and threatened to call department of health, epa in a rage. They paid for my last 2 weeks and said I could go to hawaii to visit my mom, and that I could return to work after. I did not return. They ended up getting shut down by first the department of public health, but then the EPA got involved because they had 70 barrels of mixed and unlabeled solvent waste.

Anyway not trying to derail the thread, Kanna is pretty cool, and I wish more people knew about it.

You should write a book or some shit about that place and all the drugs you made. Sounds pretty fucking wild. This was in the states? When about?

 

[daturetard]

Maybe it was a batch to batch difference, but it certainly has a lot in common with MDXX compounds in the 250mg+ range of a 400x-500x extract. Pupillary dilation, extreme euphoria, "molly like skin sensitivity", an empathogenic headspace, MDA-like visuals when mixed with cannabis, some batches also had a slight sedation like you get on an MDA come up.

Cool experience. The extracts you see labeled as >50-100x extract for kanna, they're lies. Kanna contains a low of 2% alkaloids, dried. Normally higher. So you would have more than 100% alkaloids or one specific alkaloid. Seeing as it is labeled "kanna extract", not 'mesembrine' or something makes me think they've just purified it as far as they can and want to put the biggest numbers on the packaging. Even if they started with 500x the amount of material, that doesnt represent the potency. Just a little PSA on 'standardized plant extracts'.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Maybe it was a batch to batch difference, but it certainly has a lot in common with MDXX compounds in the 250mg+ range of a 400x-500x extract. Pupillary dilation, extreme euphoria, "molly like skin sensitivity", an empathogenic headspace, MDA-like visuals when mixed with cannabis, some batches also had a slight sedation like you get on an MDA come up. We were usually eating it and insufflating some on top of that, and it specifically induced literally life changing impacts on people who'd never used an empathogen before, but a friend who'd used MDMA hundreds of times often in 1g+ amounts, and my boyfriend who was on lamotrigine and aripiprazole felt only stimulation. I'd used MDA/MDMA maybe 15-20 times in normal amounts at this point and it was fully functional for me as an empathogen.

Eating 500mg had me pouring sweat, shivering, pacing around my kitchen with every emotion I never knew I'd felt involuntarily spilling out of my mouth, if MDXX compounds allow you to view what lies inside emotionally as a window (the Shulgins used to call it "window" iirc), then Kanna was a lot more like breaking a dam and letting everything just flood out.

It was 20x/ 25 extract so that explains alot. Thats nothing compared with 400/ 500x extracts.

 

[Esperighanto]

It was 20x/ 25 extract so that explains alot. Thats nothing compared with 400/ 500x extracts.

Definitely, and as @daturetard mentioned, differences in the extraction methods, aging, source material, etc can also cause changes. What we were using was a brown powder that looked like H used to, but it smelled like barbecue and apple.

I find Kanna actually to be quite a fascinating plant, and I'm surprised I don't see it being discussed here more often because it does have strong psychoactive effects. So thank you for bringing the topic up.

Sadly, I don't have much to contribute as far as Kanna Combos go. This is mainly because I've had concerns about the SRI properties of mesembrine, kanna's principle alkaloid. I was worried that in conjunction with serotonin releasing compounds or even compounds that interact with 5HT2a, that it could cause serotonin syndrome.

I had been given 3 capsules of 100mg of kanna extract. The material inside the capsules was snow white but I have no idea of their potency. What my boss did tell me, was that I would get stronger effects the more I took it. So i took the first capsule and wasn't disappointed when effects were not felt. The next day, I took another capsule and still felt no effect. So I wrote it off as being inactive. A few days later however, I was getting ready for work and I took a few gummies of cordyceps extract that I had made and was substituting for coffee. I see the 3rd kanna capsule and think "well it's not going to do anything to me" and I swallow it. I run out the door. On my morning commute in the middle of heavy traffic, I start rolling balls. I felt euphoric, increased tactile intensity, and maybe a lightheadedness. I get to work and my two coworkers immediately notice that I'm fucked up. One of the coworkers I'd been having a bit of a fling with and we sneak into a more hidden area and have a very intense makeout session that I still think about to this day. 2 hours later, all psychoactive effects were gone.

Kanna is wild though. I hear theres even Kanna vapes out there...

A friend of mine used to manufacture Kanna vapes. The taste was beyond heinous, I've had an easier time smoking literally anything else in my entire life. It hit almost immediately though, and I was using Ephedrine and Bupropion at the time daily and hitting that vape would always get my heart rate so fast that it felt dangerous tbh. My friends who were much more into Kanna though sucked those vapes down to empty in like, no time at all because they could just kannaroll on the go, and control the intensity easily. It also didn't last long vaporized, sometimes they'd hit a line or a gel cap then just carry the vape to keep themselves from ever needing to fully come down, it was very interesting to witness. I preferred Kanna orally and with psychedelics, lotus and cannabis personally.

 

[Didgital]

Any interesting substances you guys come across that you don’t hear about often?

I would say the oddest compound I made there was 9-BOH-HHC from D8-THC. Also made a chlorinated HHC but that was too novel even for me so never tried it.

This was in the states?

Yeah the US. That wasn't even the sketchiest lab I've worked at.

Sadly, I never got to play around extracting kanna

 

[Didgital]

Eating 500mg had me pouring sweat, shivering

Honestly sounds kind of like a light serotonin syndrome, but I'm also no expert and haven't knowingly experienced it myself

 

[Esperighanto]

Honestly sounds kind of like a light serotonin syndrome, but I'm also no expert and haven't knowingly experienced it myself

Oh it almost certainly was, I'd nearly died from serotonin syndrome twice during my ayahuasca phase, both involved mixing with HBWR and were somehow solved by drinking a fifth of liquid essentially without a break between sips. My hero of a best friend who I lived with at the time knew "lets hit the guy with some GABA" but we didn't have any benzos, and I'd warned him that if he ever found me in that state but unable to speak to just hand me a fifth and tell me to drink. Worked both times, thank the gods.

I would say the oddest compound I made there was 9-BOH-HHC from D8-THC. Also made a chlorinated HHC but that was too novel even for me so never tried it.

Yeah the US. That wasn't even the sketchiest lab I've worked at.

Sadly, I never got to play around extracting kanna

I know we try to avoid synthesis talk around here, but I'm assuming the beta hydroxylation of HHC was done with a selective hydroxylation? That's insanely fascinating, I've been trying to figure out how to selectively substitute some of the exposed HO groups on mitragynine recently. If you ever want to talk chem please don't hesitate to reach out!

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Definitely, and as @daturetard mentioned, differences in the extraction methods, aging, source material, etc can also cause changes. What we were using was a brown powder that looked like H used to, but it smelled like barbecue and apple.

A search on bluelight led to Zembrin, pharmaceutical extract which sounds real good.

 

[Didgital]

I know we try to avoid synthesis talk around here, but I'm assuming the beta hydroxylation of HHC was done with a selective hydroxylation?

We do try and avoid that, but my experience in the MDMA forum, is we just can't be specific so I think it's OK to say that we did it via a Anti-Markovnikov addition. I was studying under someone much more advanced so I forget exactly how the mechanism went. The chloro HHC we made trying to get that damn hydroxy group on there so it was an intermediate.

What's kind of crazy is we were using d8 as a substrate to stay legal by making only "hemp derived cannabinoids" had we just synthesized it from condensing olivetol and whatever corresponding terpene we would have had kilos for cheap.

We did have cayman chemical synthesize us a reference standard. 10mg for $19,000. Talk about nerve wracking getting into liquid for the HPLC. I sat there and stared at it for 2 hours taking deep breaths while strategizing.
Memories like those make me love my life and what I've chosen to do with it.

 

[daturetard]

Sadly, I never got to play around extracting kanna

Any idea about the procedure? I'd appreciate it if you'd share any knowledge you have. It might be a bit off topic, if so id love a DM, but I don't think it's against the rules. (?) It's legal and everything. I've got a couple small plants, and they're pretty fast growing. It's for personal use so i only have 2. I'll probably make many cuttings when I get my living situation sorted out.

 

[Didgital]

Any idea about the procedure? I'd appreciate it if you'd share any knowledge you have. It might be a bit off topic, if so id love a DM, but I don't think it's against the rules. (?) It's legal and everything. I've got a couple small plants, and they're pretty fast growing. It's for personal use so i only have 2. I'll probably make many cuttings when I get my living situation sorted out.

Sadly I never even looked into it. Never had any biomass. Can't be that hard tho

 

[daturetard]

Sadly I never even looked into it. Never had any biomass. Can't be that hard tho

Agreed. Just wanted to hear from somebody with experience, sucks you never got a chance. If you write that book or a report on that lab let me know, I'd love to read about it.

 

[Mycophile]

Hey guys, I've mixed Kanna with a shit ton of drugs over the years, usually as oral doses of 200-500mg of 200-400x extracts) that sometimes I'll insufflate instead of eat. LSA, LSD, Bupropion, amphetamine, (dangerously and I'm small amounts) ayahuasca, vaporized DMT, Psilocybin containing mushrooms, and lotus all provided fascinating experiences from this, since I've certainly been able to roll off of an adequately large dose of Kanna.

My favorites were LSA, LSD, lotus and mushrooms, they were like these odd versions of plant based candy flipping if you got the doses right, and then took the Kanna. High dose lotus extracts felt like that uniquely euphoric buzz of taking half a bar of Xanax with maybe like 30-50mg of MDMA. LSD just felt flavored by the Kanna which I dosed later into the trip, but it felt very overwhelmed by the acid, I suspect of too much acid relative to Kanna in the mix. Mushrooms and Kanna truly feel like they're meant to be together in my opinion, and with lotus in the mix in small amounts (with caapi tea and Lemon Zest flavoring it's beautiful) the experience has been almost guaranteed to be magical and comfortable like a bath robe under a comforter.

What have you guys mixed with Kanna, in what doses/effects and to what purpose?

When you say "high dose lotus extracts," what kind of lotus are you talking about? Blue lotus? Cause I have a little of that but I find it's too mild for my tastes and also harsh on the throat when it comes to smoking. But if these extracts are stronger then I'm interested in knowing more.