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Harm Reduction Jugular external vein IV tips

no, the trolling accusation was at ruhm for following me around posting inflamatory stuff. as for you, i take back my assumption. seems we have more in common than i first thought. however, you know the desperation and ROA single/bloody minded'ness that occurs when you run out of veins. its literally driven me to the edge of madness and personally, my reaction was to continue hurting myself in ignorance striving for that vein. we may disagree on the exact definition of HR, but i have nothing against you and withdraw my accusation of ignorance. i hope youve found happiness away from the needle etc. no hard feelings?
 
and just one more time for newcomers to the thread. i did advise caution and other sites. he responded with (to me) valid reasons so i attempted some HR technique on the specific ROA he was already using. i even told him jugular injection frightens me, a hardcore 12year+ addict. i would hope that if nothing else, this may show others just how dangerous this act can be. as for the OP, i believe he will continue to jugular iv until he has a valid reason not to. i think we all hope this is as a result of a concious decision by himself. nothing in iv scares me BUT jugular self-injection, i hope this alone (considering how fucked up a human i actually am) will deter anyone contemplating such an action. good luck to all
 
no, the trolling accusation was at ruhm for following me around posting inflamatory stuff.

I just saw you calling at least 2 people out for "trolling" in this thread when I didn't consider them to be trolling at all, that's all.

as for you, i take back my assumption. seems we have more in common than i first thought. however, you know the desperation and ROA single/bloody minded'ness that occurs when you run out of veins. its literally driven me to the edge of madness and personally, my reaction was to continue hurting myself in ignorance striving for that vein. we may disagree on the exact definition of HR, but i have nothing against you and withdraw my accusation of ignorance. i hope youve found happiness away from the needle etc. no hard feelings?
Ok thanks, sounds good :)
 
It's very important to research proper IV techniques and learn the rules of the game, to reduce risks and damage taken while doing this sport.

Simple things:

Always use the smallest needles, unless a bigger one is necessary.
Stick your needle at 45 degrees, then level the needle and inject further, to stay in vein.
Never leave the belt tightened on your arm, while injecting. Make sure, you're stable in the vein, release the belt, inject.
Don't ever use blunt needles, they wreck your veins like nothing else.
Don't keep the needle in a vein for too long, they interfere with the blood clotting mechanism, making bleeding from the vein harder to stop.
Always use cotton filters, as most soluble impurities will get stuck on your lungs. They're not going anywhere.
Change your injection sites.
 
^Always use micron filters, if you're really concerned about particles clogging your blood vessels, cotton isn't sufficient.

I don't think anyones in the position to give out medical advice, Blind Monkey Helper, for the last time, please treat your fellow Bluelighters with some respect. They are not your enemy.

It is indeed HR to advise people not to IV drugs (EPH that was improperly filtered no less...) into their necks. Some people come up with really horrible ideas and need to be made aware of that. And part of harm reduction involves knowing when to tell people to seek immediate medical attention. Bluelight is not an emergency service and we are not qualified to assess members who miss shots in their neck, that's a life threatening medical emergency.

I have no idea how one was able to shoot into an artery, that would put so much pressure on the syringe, the plunger would likely shoot right out off the syringe itself. Not to mention how horrible of an idea it is.

Please review the community guidelines.
 
Tricomb and Swimmingdancer pretty much both summed up everything better than I could, great posts. I'm not going to respond to the posts above directed at me, just a waste of my time and not worth it.

I do really hope the OP realizes the extreme risk and stops before he learns the hard way... And in this case, the hard way could be fatal :(
 
Please, I urge you to at least TRY to stop injecting in your neck. It is way too dangerous! You never answered my question about what you think is going to happen if you keep this up?

Sorry I missed this whole post at the time and must have also missed the post in which this question was originally posed along with many other posts that it now appears went up while I was typing up my own posts. Had I seen the question at the time I would have predicted a nasty outcome with a high level of certainty though my state my mind would have made me not care at all about it. I really couldn't give a shit about anything at the time.

In practice nature has taken care of this problem with great effect as none of the veins that I've used to IV ethylphenidate are at all usable for IV. That includes every worthwhile vein that I have managed to find. Time will tell whether my IV days are over or whether some vein recovery will allow a future return. One thing's for sure, I won't be IV'ing ethylphenidate again whatever I'm very sorry to say. Although I've only had a relatively short time on it, I have had a lot of fun with it and will miss the magic that only seems to come with IV administration.

I tried a few bombs of EPH earlier which works but has slow onset and lacks the euphoria. I tried plugging as discussed previously which resulted in quicker onset than bombing but it still seems to lack the euphoria of IV and also the magic. Well this is my future so I better get used to it.

-I have written a ton of tips/instructions for finding/hitting veins in other threads but am not on my computer right now so I'll find them and link to them later. For now here's a few:

- Stay well hydrated, and ideally, well-nourished. Being dehydrated makes it way harder to hit veins.

I had become very dehydrated but was totally unaware.

- Look at some vein maps. I had a lot of luck with the veins on the insides of my legs. Even some in weird places like on your lower torso would be safer than your neck.

I only found 2 usable veins on my right leg and they no longer function. My feet are still recovering from the IV onslaught I subjected them to many weeks ago and it will be a long time before there is any hope of finding a vein in my feet if ever. I did find one on my chest which worked once. I do have a couple of veins on my lower torso but lack the spare hand to stretch/steady the skin to allow use. My left leg appears devoid of usable veins. Arms and hands are a source of wishful thinking but are a no go as discussed previously.

- Learn how to feel for veins.

Not at all savvy regarding this.

- Have a hot bath beforehand and/or do some jumping jacks or other exercise to plump up veins.

I'd love a hot bath but I'm stuck with a lukewarm shower sadly but the exercise is an option.

- Use a fresh needle for every poke (if using syringes with non-detachable needles and you try to hit and can't
register, transfer the drug solution a new syringe and start over - it makes a huge difference)


I prefer a fresh needle but will use up to 3 times depending on vein and whether there is noticeable resistance on attempting the subsequent shot. A twice used needle that glides in on the third try is fine by me but any resistance means immediate replacement.

- Use the vacuum method for registering . (let me know if you don't know what this is).

I do this religiously.

-Take care of your veins! Use a filter, rotate your injection sites, treat misses with a hot cloth, clean your skin with alcohol before injecting, always use fresh needles, etc
Are you inserting the needle at a shallow angle as I suggested?
With a shallow angle and the vacuum method you can minimize the risk of puncturing through the vein. It is also more effective and decreases misses. I have a diagram somewhere

I have used a shallow angle right from the start though after many misses, I have experimented with varying angles and have had success at many angles. Often the angle that results in success defies logic so I am happy to experiment. I often find when using the vacuum method that I can push the needle in to the point where the needle depth is clearly well beyond the depth of the vein but on careful withdrawal of the needle I get a week, brief flash when most of the needle has already been withdrawn, suggesting that I must have gone right through the vein without it registering. This has not been an uncommon occurrence.
 
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If you've damaged all your veins that quickly you should not be IVing. And if the only vein you have left to IV with is your neck it's time to quit.
 
If you've damaged all your veins that quickly you should not be IVing. And if the only vein you have left to IV with is your neck it's time to quit.

Hi Rhun,
You're too late I'm afraid. The neck veins are long gone.

Please reread my last post for clarity. All the veins that I have found I have used and none are IV usable. This is not due to poor technique if that's what you are implying. Damage is caused by the caustic nature of the ethylphenidate. You really have nothing more to worry about as there is no longer an issue. I'm out of veins and have switched to plugging.

I do appreciate your concern but the situation has resolved itself in its own way. In time veins will return but I won't be IV'ing ethylphenidate into them . I'll save them so that should I be so inclined I will be able to IV proper drugs into them in future.

I could find veins to use if I cared to but I am no longer interested. Well the femorals are still sound for a start but I'd get half a dozen hits each out of them at most and then I'd be back where I am now.so I won't bother. I've had my fun (more than you probably appreciate)). I have now chosen a different path. Onward and upward.

Take care. B7
 
Had I seen the question at the time I would have predicted a nasty outcome with a high level of certainty though my state my mind would have made me not care at all about it. I really couldn't give a shit about anything at the time.
Fair enough, at least you're not kidding yourself thinking it's safe and a good idea. I can understand being too addicted to care.

One thing's for sure, I won't be IV'ing ethylphenidate again.
I'm very glad to hear this!! I really hope that decision lasts. Good for you :). But please let us know if you ever decide to do it again and we will help to to find other options to avoid injecting into your neck.

I had become very dehydrated but was totally unaware.
For future reference, if you do decide to IV again, make sure you're really hydrated. Veins shrink up if you are dehydrated. And of course in general it's very important to stay hydrated.

Learn how to feel for veins.
Not at all savvy regarding this.
It can be learned. They feel different than the surrounding tissues. The best phlebotomists all use this method. You can find invisible veins this way. It also helps if you know where to look, hence the vein maps. Veins feel kind of like spongy noodles.

NOTE: I'm certainly NOT trying to encourage you to try IVing again, it sounds like you've done a lot of damage already and I think stopping is necessary, I'm just providing this info in case you do end up doing it again, or for anyone else reading who may be wondering how to find alternatives to the jugular.

I prefer a fresh needle but will use up to 3 times depending on vein and whether there is noticeable resistance on attempting the subsequent shot. A twice used needle that glides in on the third try is fine by me but any resistance means immediate replacement.
I would seriously use a fresh needle for every single puncture, even if you've only used it to try to hit and weren't able to register. It does a lot to save you from destroying your veins and is imperative for people who already have wrecked veins and trouble hitting. See the image tricomb posted.

I often find when using the vacuum method that I can push the needle in to the point where the needle depth is clearly well beyond the depth of the vein but on careful withdrawal of the needle I get a week, brief flash when most of the needle has already been withdrawn, suggesting that I must have gone right through the vein without it registering. This has not been an uncommon occurrence.
This has happened to me when using veins that are really damaged or too tiny. IME if I only got a weak brief flash of blood, I would miss, or if I kept fishing around in the same spot I would just get tiny flashes which would fill up the syringe with blood and have no luck getting a proper register.

Were you inserting the needle like this? At a 15 to 45 degree angle, bevel facing up? (of course the exact angle is going to vary from vein to vein, but you can see from this diagram why this would normally work best)
blood_angle.gif


If you've damaged all your veins that quickly you should not be IVing. And if the only vein you have left to IV with is your neck it's time to quit.
I totally agree. Something that caustic to the veins is really not worth injecting IMO. It took me a lot longer to destroy all my veins, but once I did they were so messed up that to this day even experienced hospital staff can't hit them. I shudder to think what could have happened if I had kept going and destroyed my jugular as well.
 
@Swimmingdancer - Just a quick update. Thanks for new info

After about a week's break I've just done a 3 day run on EPH with a mix of oral and plugged admin. Still enjoyable but much less euphoric and totally lacking the magic.of the IV'd dosed effects. I've not yet picked up a 5ml syringe so have just been plugging with a 1ml with no discomfort. I also lacked the urge to compulsively redose which with IV ADMIN QUICKLY develops into a manic obsession.

I'll edit/reedit/update/rearrange tomorrow when I can see properly again.

Anyway I've now been up for over 88 1/2 hours. I've had 3 etizolam & so to bed. Good/night/morning evening folks. EDIT - fail! 12 hours later, I'm still up :)
 
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And if the only vein you have left to IV with is your neck it's time to quit.
Pretty much this. Im kinda glad i'm about out of veins. I won't use my legs or anything below the belt lol. One of my smh moments when shit was bad was my girlfriend walking in on me and my boy with belts around our necks. Its laughable now but shit, i couldn't shoot constantly in my neck. No fucking way. Especially a stimulant. I missed in my neck and made it thankfully.
Everytime i boot something its just worthless cause it takes me so long to hit. Im lucky to have made it so far.
 
just as an addendum, and i'll be careful since ive already been warned over this thread. arteries do not usually push the plunger back except very big arteries and big 2ml+ rigs. never had a 1ml pushed up by any artery at all, including fem. this isnt a reliable way to tell artery, neither is pain as i often feel sever burning up my arm despite using minute amounts of citric acid - thats down to acid hitting the new baby veins that have replaced collapsed medial etc i believe - this sometimes hurts almost as much as less painful artery hits in the past, there is no cast iron indicator. so great care must be taken when regularly i.v'ing anything





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