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Judged by alcoholics and other "socially acceptable" drug users

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I have a big issue here. Not because it's causing me any problems or anything, but because I can't get over the fact of how much people are not self-concious.

I recently started taking some research chemicals (6-APB, aMT...) quite rarely, maybe once a month or so. I am in a shared house with 6 people, so it's inevitable that sometime one of my other housemates sees me while tripping. This seems to be a big concern to them; I look like the druggie of the house, the immature one, the one who just wants to get fucked up with drugs etc. and all the other stuff that you can imagine that is pumped into people's heads by the media.

Whenever you say to a person that you take some "light" drugs you start looking like a total maniac and dangerous person to them, and they start questioning you and your attitude. Then, at that point, I always tell them that they are drug users too, because they drink alcohol, and alcohol is a drug, and one of the most dangerous ones (it's been ranked 4th most dangerous drug). And at that point they shut up because they don't know what to reply anymore. I keep talking, saying that it's much less dangerous to do some light psychedelic once a month than getting blackout drunk every week-end.
I would also like to point out that I almost never drink alcohol.

Have you ever had similar experiences, being judged by other people etc.? What do you think about this lack of self-conciouseness of people that don't realize that everyone does drugs, one way or another? What do you think about the refusal of people to understand that illegal drugs can be moderately safe, if not abused, and that alcohol and tobacco are legal just so the state can speculate on it?

I think it's an interesting fact to discuss.
 
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I wouldn't call it a lack of self-consciousness in this context, although people are less self-conscious while intoxicated. If anything they would be more self-conscious by not wanting to be viewed negatively for their alcohol abuse, so therefore make the use of other drugs seem so bad compared to what they are doing.

Most drug users are going to make the other drugs that they don't use (and the people that use them) seem worse than the drugs that they use as a way to rationalize their own drug use. The frequency and dosage of a drug being used is the main factor that determines how dangerous it is, although certain drugs are more harmful than others even when used with the same frequency. Maybe your housemates think that you use those RCs as often as they drink, which even though they may not be as toxic to the body as alcohol is (some might be, though), they could take a larger toll on the brain when used too often.

Another factor is the social aspect. I am sure that your housemates think that you do these drugs alone, as opposed to using socially like they may be doing. If one of them drinks alone in their room, I bet some of the others would look down on that and call them out if it seemed to be a problem. While in college I was an absolute alcoholic, but it was just looked at like "oh, that's just how he drinks, he'll be fine." I was doing way more harm to myself then than I am doing now with using opiates a few times a week, but if people were to know about my opiate use back then you best believe I would have been looked down on a lot more than I was when I was blackout drunk every weekend.

For the record, I don't drink that much since I primarily use opiates now, and I don't like being around friends when they are blackout drunk anymore. However, if you took away the influence from friends and co-workers for them to go out on the weekend and drink, then some of them would not be drinking much anymore. I, on the other hand, would still be using opiates regardless of what is going on that week, although some weeks I use less than others.

I agree that alcohol users think that they are superior to users of other drugs when that is not true, but to them "everybody else is doing it [drinking]" and it's somewhat of a rite of passage in college, and something that they will grow out of. Drug use (other then maybe pot) is not usually viewed as something that will easily be grown out of, which is another reason why it has such a bag stigma attached.

I think I am a lot more upset with how society as a whole views drug users vs alcoholics. If I was a functional alcoholic it wouldn't be an issue at a job as long as I didn't show up to work drunk, but if they caught wind of me using opiates once a month, I could kiss that job goodbye. If that same information was known in the town I live in, I'm sure my house would be skipped over by trick-or-treaters on Halloween while the kids get all their candy from the numerous drunks around town.

Illegal drug users are viewed as junkie criminals, whereas alcoholics are viewed as having a "drinking problem."
 
In my opinion Alcohol is a perfect drug for what it does. It simply intoxicates the user to the point of not remembering the euphoria, therefore I believe it renders its abuse potential lower than what it should be.

On top of that the dosage curve for alcohol is extremely steep (like many other GABA-ergics) and the drug's volume is high. Therefore overdoses are less likely to occur due to the user passing out or becoming too full to ingest more. I believe alcohol's mortality rate is more related to its wide consumption.

Alcohol is baby's first drug. Unlike mixing opiates and benzos, the user has to put forth more of an overt effort to overdose.

Now imagine if we put drugs that require actual knowledge to dose into the hands of the average moron. Well, we would have fewer morons.

Edit: To me, being an alcohol-only user is simply being a beginner drug user with no urge to pursue other things for the enhancement of their own life. Like any amateur, they're probably frustrated with more advanced players. Legal issues aside, all alcoholism leads to is ugliness and anxiety.
 
I agree on the whole with what you said Renz,
Except I think if drugs like heroin were available in the way alchohol is (like, "hey, let's go to that new shooting gallery up the block"), we'd probably have just more morons that are addicted to heroin.
 
yes it pisses me that ppl can accept one who drinks and blacks out or even accept that some ppl are speed heads,
but if your a opiate user, god low and behold you are the devil incarnate... double standards shit me
 
Cannabis is a much safer drug than alchool but when i tell someon that i use weed they say.
"oh my god next thing you are sticking a needle up your arm" or "oh thats illegal"
Well f** you the main gateway drug is tobbaco , most drug users started with tobbaco or still use it
its a great buzz when you start smoking but its so short you want domething more powerfull.
There are studies that point out if you use tobbaco you are 14 times more likely to use other drugs,
its the first stepping stone.
And about it being illegal its way safer than your precious licor , you cant od on it , you cant get in a coma after using it
you wont puke and choke in your sleep so im fine using weed.
Plus it isnt physicly addictive and delirium tremors while rare-ish can kill you.
It upsets me that im considered a junkie because i like a safer alternative to alchool.
 
I think that we all have our prejudices, whether we'd like to admit it or not. It all stems from the same place, really, and that's ignorance.

I mean, those who drink, they don't know what it's like to be high on dope. I remember what I thought about dope before I ever sniffed a bag: I thought that it would be the most intense sensation of my life, and I imagined it being something like that scene in The Basketball Diaries where Leonardo DiCaprio is running through the fields of lavender or whatever. It wasn't anything like that, of course, and there were no fields of lavender, flowers, or unicorns giving me butterfly kisses all over my naked body.

It's no excuse, of course, to be putting others down and it still bothers me that anyone could sit down at the bar, tilt back drink after drink, drink themselves into a stupor and still have the audacity to look down their long nose at me for what I do. But, I also need to realize that I hold prejudices of my own. I've never smoked crack, and I don't know what it's like to smoke a rock, and so I let the one or two purse-snatching crack fiends I've known influence my perception and understanding of crack, crack-smoking, and crack users; the same is true for meth, and a couple of other drugs I've never tried before and have no first-hand experience with.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it might be easy for me to say, "yeah, well, I sniff dope but I don't smoke meth." I think we can all learn to be a little more understanding, open-minded and empathetic.
 
i feel like a good 50% of alcoholics hating on other drugs is because they probably have friends or family that failed at using them

or the few drug users they know are legitimate scumbags
 
Tommyboy said:
I wouldn't call it a lack of self-consciousness in this context, although people are less self-conscious while intoxicated. If anything they would be more self-conscious by not wanting to be viewed negatively for their alcohol abuse, so therefore make the use of other drugs seem so bad compared to what they are doing.

Most drug users are going to make the other drugs that they don't use (and the people that use them) seem worse than the drugs that they use as a way to rationalize their own drug use.
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You aren't lying... when I was in high school I just smoked crack and looked down on heroin addicts.. then a few years later I started shooting heroin but wouldn't smoke crack anymore because "it was so dirty", I'd take my friend to cop smack with me and make him get out of the car and go behind a building nearby to smoke rock because it made me feel sick to my stomach to witness it haha. Then I said fuck it and started doing both together one day
 
I didn't read any response, just the original post, but OP, this irritates me beyond belief. More so than I should allow it it.

Personally, I don't find it a lack of being self conscious, I think it's most just ignorance. Ignorance on the part of the person in question to not want to learn more about these substances they are putting into their own body. See, our body is our temple. It is next to everything. And I say next to everything, because it's our soul that is everything, followed by our mind, then our body. We are what we put into our body.

I strongly believe a lot of people blindly believe Alcohol is an acceptable substance to be putting into one's body, simply because it is legal. See, people have a tendency, especially in America, to blindly trust those in power. Much of us Americans think "Well, if it was bad...why would the government allow it? It must be okay, right?". Wrong!

I use to believe this when I was 15 years old. I wouldn't smoke pot, but I'd drink plenty of Georgi Vodka and get shit faced, blindly believing somehow it was better for me. In retrospect, I wasn't even thinking for myself I was simply believing what I was being told by Consumer Driven America. People should fend for themselves honestly. Survival of the fittest. That does not mean we should not teach and pass on positive knowledge though, we absolutely should do so, but I strongly believe people should learn for themselves for the most part.

Substances, for example, are things people should know about. Everyone should have a natural inclination to learn about them, and learn what they are putting into their body. Unfortunately, it seems not a lot of people really give a crap, which is truly sad. I think this attitude has a lot to do with the scare tactics a lot of drug companies use against our youth. "Just say no!" or telling us how bad something is without any real evidence, just makes the person blindly accept for no real reason other than that illusion of security. If the person was intelligent enough, they'd know not to blindly trust a new source and to seek out answers of their own.
 
brokenstrings said:
Cannabis is a much safer drug than alchool but when i tell someon that i use weed they say.
"oh my god next thing you are sticking a needle up your arm" or "oh thats illegal"
Well f** you the main gateway drug is tobbaco , most drug users started with tobbaco or still use it
its a great buzz when you start smoking but its so short you want domething more powerfull.
There are studies that point out if you use tobbaco you are 14 times more likely to use other drugs,
its the first stepping stone.
And about it being illegal its way safer than your precious licor , you cant od on it , you cant get in a coma after using it
you wont puke and choke in your sleep so im fine using weed.
Plus it isnt physicly addictive and delirium tremors while rare-ish can kill you.
It upsets me that im considered a junkie because i like a safer alternative to alchool.
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I believe its more related to drug seeking behavior. Those that wish to feel good are more likely to seek strong substances that produce greater rewarding effects. It may begin with weed, primarily because it is the most socially accepted, illegal substance, however drug seeking behavior will inevitably lead to addiction.
 
I believe its more related to drug seeking behavior. Those that wish to feel good are more likely to seek strong substances that produce greater rewarding effects. It may begin with weed, primarily because it is the most socially accepted, illegal substance, however drug seeking behavior will inevitably lead to addiction.
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The thing is it begins with tobbaco , on a different magnitude as marijuana but until most people dont know the effects of drugs until they smoke a cigarrete , and the first cigarrete
is quite powerful.
Of course people ignore that the road to addiction starts with a legal substance.
In the same manner there are some that switch from alchool to harder drugs but we never hear that alchool is a gatewya drug
 
personally i can't stand the whole gateway drug theory if someone has an inclinatioon to experiment with drugs and doesnt have any experience they wouldn't just go out and buy some crack and heroin to see what drugs are really about they would try a more socially acceptable drug like pot for thiier first time. This person is simply inclined to use drugs just because they smoked pot before they ever used anything else doesnt mean pot was the 'gateway drug' that led them there. What kinda effed up logic is that?
 
I was at a dance last night and, as usual, the only drug users who were obnoxious, completely unaware of themselves, and fucking annoying morons, were the people drinking alcohol.

Every time I'm judged by alcoholics for the entheogens I do, it's a simple matter to point out reality.
 
I skimmed through the posts, didn't read it all.But I read someone saying they do it to "justify" their own use. Be it alcohol, or another drug. I totally agree.

A friend of mine says coke isn't that bad for you (he's pretty addicted) but speed is the devil. I just lol. He's not experienced with harddrugs (only cocaine) so I'm not gonna advocate using other drugs. I think he'll discover them on his own anyway.
+his coke is crap. :D
 
I was going to post this in the thread about the drug subcultures you least like, but I think it might apply here just as well. It's this song/music video, and it relevant to what the OP is talking about.
 
brokenstrings said:
most people dont know the effects of drugs until they smoke a cigarrete , and the first cigarrete
is quite powerful.
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I liked my first cup of coffee better than my first uses of nicotine patches and chewing tobacco but I guess nicotine is stronger.
 
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