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Harm Reduction IV trouble

Lexi519

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I need some advice on shooting myself up. I've been using drugs IV for about 2 years but I seem to have quite a bit of trouble getting the syringe into a vein, possibly because of past damage to my veins. I just about always have someone shoot me up so that i don't have to deal with it but i'm getting tired of having to give favors for a shot in return. I used to not have much trouble shooting myself when i needed to but my veins have become increasingly hard to hit even though i rotate my spot and let them heal. I also have a lot of trouble pulling back the plunger to see that blood has registered. I'm sure if i could do that more easily it would make hitting a vein much easier as well.

Asking advice from any IV drug users. Not asking for criticism from people who think it's stupid. I'm already quite aware that it's stupid but i'm going to do it anyway so any assistance would be appreciated
 
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I also have a lot of trouble pulling back the plunger to see that blood has registered
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I have the exact same problem - can find the vain, nicely/easily inject just can't get the knack of pulling on the plunger to get it registered.

If you/someone has any tips I'd be grateful!
 
hold the needle at the top on the "collar" between your thumb and ring finger, and use your middle and pointer finger below the top of the plunger to pull it back a little bit. After I register, I just slip my pointer finger onto the plunger, while still holding the barrel steady with my ring finger and thumb, then plunge down.

Honestly, and it's been said a thousand times, the best thing you can do is use a new, quality rig every time. And check out the links at the bottom of my post for more info as well as where to buy sterile injection supplies and micron filters.

Also, you want to pull back on the plunger once the bevel of the needle is below your skin, so that you get a little bit of a vacuum developed inside the syringe so that you can just insert it, and when you hit the vein it will register automatically.
 
Thank you I think the tip on registering sounds doable for me. I'll try it
 
I too, am having this same problem. Probably not the best technique, compared to a professional smackrat or a doctor (or a doctor with his fingers in the cookie jar/the odd female patient), but I know how to do an IV, I know of, and follow sterile technique, including sterifiltration, other than if the case were to be a vial of something or other intended specifically already for IV/IM use were to be had.

I haven't buggered my veins either, I don't shoot often. Even when in a vein quite certainly (using very steady, yet not heavyhanded pressure when the vein is felt as 'feedback' through the tip of the needle, with some give etc, then suddenly, I know I am in the target vein, as I feel a rapid give in resistance, which is when registering is possible.

Possible, is one thing....easily doable is another entirely. I likely have low BP due to taking a fairly decent sized, although not vast or excessive dose of tizanidine daily (via RX), sometimes per os, sometimes, well...not parenterally and not orally, nor does it involve the nose:P. I figure that is a bit of a nuisance....or on the other hand...question...would an ultrashort-acting vasodilator (low dose nitrite ester inhalation just prior to injecting perhaps...no...not injecting the nitrites, before anyone suggests that is a bad idea...christ, that wouldn't be pretty) make it easier to hit in practise?

I have experienced a vasoconstrictor (a couple of times when stimulants were given IV, a second dose of the drug was nearly impossible to register, went through several vials of sterile H2O, waaay too many 30g and 25g needles from my IV kit, before saying 'bollocks to it' and squirting the briefly registered, then lost solution out of the window and finding somewhere to properly dispose of the used, flame-sterilized, capped needles and rig used)

Not planning really on IVing the stimulant in question again, my DOC for IV use is MXE, which is MUCH easier to shoot. Doesn't have to be dissolved in EtOH and diluted down a great fucking well deal just to get a small amount of drug inside one either. Heh, no idea how, but somehow, I even manage to hit a lot of times while actually either coming up on an IM or SC, or just geing generally pretty squirrely by that time.

One major problem, and this includes completely non-squirrely, baseline, just-meets-postman packet status, is finding it really hard to draw back, even when IN the vein, or pretty damn well convinced of it, or to create a slight negative pressure prior to hitting the vein. Even using an easy vein to hit, such as a couple of large, shallowly located, very prominent ones located on the back of one hand, turning the lights in the room down to almost nothing so I can see better (autie, bright lights are a sin against nature and makers of cheaper brands of shades that won't double up when outside with a second pair:P), using a 30g 1/2" needle, sod all comes through if I DO pull back a fair amount of the time.

And a couple of other problems-the plunger of the rig (3ml barrels) tries bending and flexing when depressed, any tips on how best to rest and stabilize the barrel itself from moving while administering the shot? trying to control a plunger that may as well be an ADHD snake with ehler's-danloss syndrome, whilst continuing to push IV in slowly is a real sodding pain and often results in slipping, and pulling back the needle until it is no longer resting within the vein, this goes for any injection site, not just hands. Back of the hand is just the easiest site for me, easier than any of the forearm veins or even the really large ones located near the brachial artery.

25g register easier, but I only have full length ones, and I really don't like anything other than 1/2" needles. I have a load of the things, and they will, if for some reason I can't use a 30g short, get used, and for a pre-prepared second or third shot, then they are getting pretty much dumped, when its both easier to register, and there is significant analgesia. Not going to use a large diameter needle either, for a shot in the hand, nothing wider than a 28g at the absolute worst, but I don't buy those anyway.

Anyone actually still get blood automatically flowing into the syringe when using such a narrow diameter needle?

Also, would it be reasonably safe to use a sterile, alcohol based gel lubricant to 'oil' the rubber seal on the end of the plunger of a syringe before use a little? Taking into account, while not meant for that use, it is a product intended for use in hospitals, so it is indeed sterile.

Last quick Q-how does one know, where venous valves are, and thus how to avoid hitting one, or penetrating from the side? I have never, to the best of my knowledge, actually done so, but I have no wish to either.

Gahh...I do hope my MXE and 5-MeO-DALT arrive tomorrow, been taking a break from MXE for a while, now its time to see how tolerance is responsive over time.
 
I agree with muvolution. But when I finally got in the habbit of having to hit myself after getting tired of having to rely on someone nodding out to hit me. I had to practice my grip and would try all theise different hand postions just going through the motion in the air as if I was hitting myself. It's all in technique. another thing some needles I find are alot harder to use. for example ive tried using 1/2cc needles before and they were almost impossible to register yourself with. But I do have really easy veins to hit so Ive never had any major trouble. Just remember to be patient and give your veins time to show themselves no need to rush something that can be potentially extremely harmful. And if you can't hit yourself then maybe you shouldn't be using a needle in the first place... that's just my opinion. I would never have used a needle if I hadn't gotten so used to them by having to help some of my friends who couldn't hit themselves do it. And well eventually curiosity got to me. Don't make people shoot you up it's a horrible feeling sticking a needle in your friend. And if you can't hit yourself then maybe you just shouldn't be doing it.
 
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I saw a few things though... sometimes with a 27 or 28 gauge needle blood will autmatically register, or if I hit a larger vein than normal.

avoid junctions of veins for the veneous valves issue..

You should always be able to register, even with a 31g.
 
As soon as ur under the skin pull back. It will create re suction u need so when you hit ull see the blood rush. Then slowly and carefully push through. Btw your friends are dicks if there charging u to boot up.
 
As soon as ur under the skin pull back. It will create re suction u need so when you hit ull see the blood rush. Then slowly and carefully push through. Btw your friends are dicks if there charging u to boot up.

Yeah, the vacuum register method is invaluable for finding veins when you're having issues. Just make sure that once you get the clean register, you hold the rig perfectly still as you gently inject, and re-register halfway through if you can do so, to ensure you stay in. Best of luck.

Oh, and use a fresh rig every time. No excuses, oftentimes if I'm struggling, the issue is the needle having dulled. Backload the fresh rig, I've never had issues after switching to a completely fresh one.
 
There are tons of threads already on this topic. Do a search on "veins" or something like that and I'm sure you will find them. I know there's several ones just from the past week, they should be in the first few pages of this section of the forum even if you don't do a search. It is really worthwhile to do anything you can to save damaging your veins further.
 
Oh, and use a fresh rig every time. No excuses, oftentimes if I'm struggling, the issue is the needle having dulled. Backload the fresh rig, I've never had issues after switching to a completely fresh one.
Best advice - this is one of the most important things. If you are having trouble hitting a vein switch to a new rig right away. It is REALLY worth it to have lots of fresh syringes on hand. Never re-use rigs, even if they're your own, this totally destroys your veins and makes it WAY harder to hit.
 
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