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Harm Reduction (IV) I can't hit the veins in my hand?

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I can hit the veins in my forearm without any problems, but the veins on my hand are impossible to me. Does it work with a 21g needle? Or is it really too big?
 
if you do it right, the mark on your forearm/elbow veins shouldn't be that noticeable. it sounds like you dont have much experience with needles, so dont try anything risky man! stay safe, and if you have to, find another ROA
 
Try taking the needle off the syringe and plugging if you haven't already. Next best and MUCH safer alternative to IVing.
 
I have never heard of anyone using such enormous gauges for IV use. Perhaps this is exactly why you can't hit in places like your hands. As CH suggested, use 30's or I use 29's (smallest size at the exchange I go to).
 
That is a needle that shoudl be used for IMing and even for that it's massive. Dude you are doing so much damage to your veins that's crazy. No bigger than a 27 dude never! I stick with 29 personally.
 
Yeah, for my arms, I prefer a larger gauge, 28 or 29. For my hands, it's got to be 30.

I can't imagine using a 21g tip, I mean, that thing must be as wide as the vein itself, and certainly wider than the tiny veins in the hand..
 
That really is..

I would feel like I was sticking a knife into my arm lol
 
Yeah, 21g is pretty big... Back in the States I would usually stick to 29 or 30, 31 made it too difficult to hit a vein. Now here in Portugal I don't know why but they only seem to have (as far as 1ml insulin syringes go) 25g (orange tip) and 28g (blue tip) needles. Can't find any smaller...

At the exchanges it's always the blue-tipped 28g ones. After not touching the needle for over a year and a half, the first time I IVed after all that time was with the orange-tipped ones, didn't even check the gauge, and didn't really notice it was that big, then again I'm used to the sting of the needle poking through my skin...only a few days later when I was buying a syringe again did I take the time to read the size of the needle and I was like "Holy fuck" when I realized it was a 25g point. At first it seemed easier to register and shoot with the 25g, but that shit damages your veins like crazy in no time...

These days (by which I mean, when I actually do IV, once in a blue moon...I am trying my best to do it as little as possible) I stick with the blue-tipped 28g spikes... But for some reason they seem "slower" to push down the plunger and harder to register than when I was using 28-29-30g BD/Terumo/whatever non-detachable insulin syringes back in the US...
With the 25g tips that shit goes down in an instant...
 
EveryStar said:
Yeah, 21g is pretty big... Back in the States I would usually stick to 29 or 30, 31 made it too difficult to hit a vein. Now here in Portugal I don't know why but they only seem to have (as far as 1ml insulin syringes go) 25g (orange tip) and 28g (blue tip) needles. Can't find any smaller...

At the exchanges it's always the blue-tipped 28g ones. After not touching the needle for over a year and a half, the first time I IVed after all that time was with the orange-tipped ones, didn't even check the gauge, and didn't really notice it was that big, then again I'm used to the sting of the needle poking through my skin...only a few days later when I was buying a syringe again did I take the time to read the size of the needle and I was like "Holy fuck" when I realized it was a 25g point. At first it seemed easier to register and shoot with the 25g, but that shit damages your veins like crazy in no time...

These days (by which I mean, when I actually do IV, once in a blue moon...I am trying my best to do it as little as possible) I stick with the blue-tipped 28g spikes... But for some reason they seem "slower" to push down the plunger and harder to register than when I was using 28-29-30g BD/Terumo/whatever non-detachable insulin syringes back in the US...
With the 25g tips that shit goes down in an instant...
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Thats because the needle-tip is bigger thus wider thus liquid flows quicker.
 
Flow = pressure / resistance

Increase diameter, decrease resistance, increase flow
 
Hand veins are very tricky to hit my friend. Not to mention they are just not very good options, I mean better than legs (disputable if you can hit on your shins) or feet, but arms are really what people should be using. If you are gonna hit your hand veins make sure you are well hydrated and they are very bulgy (lack of a better word) and spongy in appearance, this is the only time I have had any luck hitting them. Additionally you MUST have 28g needle or higher, 28 is absolute lowest but 29-31 will be better. Also you MUST use a new needle for those tiny hand veins, and in general you should be using a need needle every single shot, even if they are only 10 minutes apart but it needs to be nice a new and sharp if you gonna hit the hand, This is because those veins are your hand are gonna wiggle around when and slide/roll when you go to poke them and you need the point to be as sharp as can be, hell even be careful uncapping the syringe as to not dull the point. And the last thing I want to tell you is that your hands bruise much much worse and it is much more noticeable than your arms. And if you happen to miss....oh fuck because that shit is gonna be wide out in the open.

I gave you all the advice I know, but honestly, just stick to the arms, wrist and above.
 
I don't know how anyone hits with a 31g. The needle is so brittle and the opening is so small, registering is darn near impossible. Larger diameter needles(lower gauge#) are easier to register, but scar worse and cause more vascular damage (and pain). (Benzocaine and/or rubbing alcohol help dull the pain)

Also, if you need to pull the needle out are break the skin again, don't be afraid to change needles and resterilze the area. The smaller the needle, the quicker it dulls.

It's a balance of finding the smallest needle possible allowing for a register. I prefer 28 or 29 for my hand.

(& ALWAYS sterilize IV site, use all new & sterile equipment, and follow proper technique. )
 
@laCster Good job not answering his question at all. @XL_ I have the same problem. Some peoples veins like to roll all over the place, especially in the hands. Not much you can do about it except use a brand new and have someone with extremely steady hands hit you
 
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