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Opioids IV Heroin, dilaudid, and opana in one shot to break thru methadone tolerance?

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OK guys, so the saga continues in my quest to get really fuckin high while dealing with monster methadone tolerance.

I got some 3cc syringes so I'll be prepared for this mission.

To give a little background...I am on 90mg methadone daily. I dont always take 90. Some days i take 80 or 70, I try to take as little as I can when possible. Some days I will take only 50 or 60. Its very, very rare that I would take 90mg everyday for more than 2 or 3 days at a time.

From what I understand theres a certain dose level that methadone completely saturates your receptors and has a blocking effect on all other opiates, even if you dont dose for a few days. IIRC its around 50mg, but Ill take any info anybody has on that. So I been trying to catch that good high lately and while I do feel something its nowhere near where it should be and I know its the done's fault. Say I want to use on a Wednesday, in the days leading up to that my dosing would lookin somethin like this> Sunday 10am 70mg. Monday 10am 50mg. Tuesday 10am 50mg. Wed 10am-no dose. And then around 11 or 12 Wed night is when I'll use. On Thursday in the morning I'll wake up and as the day goes on feel vaguely , a little bit sick, and maybe shoot a little bit of dilaudid just enough to keep me well until later that night. So on Thursday night around the same time as the day before (11 or 12) I use. So its 11pm on Thursday, the last time I dosed methadone was 10am on tuesday. But still due to the long halflife of the methadone I probably still have a good deal of it in my system and its still mostly saturating my receptors. the Thursday night high is defnitely better than the Wed night one though.

So, anyways in my quest to kind of beat the methadone trap, I am hoping to add some oxymorphone into the mix. Right now I shoot 10-12 bags of NJ fire (meaning, its the shit that the regular junkies are very happy to get and all raving about, not the drop dead type shit where the dealers tells you to be very careful, but definitely good, solid, high quality bags) along with 8-10mg Dilaudid, in one shot, but its still not really doing it for me.

I figure that maybe a heroin, dilaudid, opana combo shot might up the quality of the high a little bit. obviously though if I am completely full of methadone no matter what other shit I shoot its just not gonna do it, so it would be kidn of a two part thing, increasing the opiates that I am shooting to get my high, and decreasing the amount of methadone in my system to reach levels that aint gonna completely saturate the receptors like they are probably doing right now.

So my question to all of yall has a few parts.

A--First, being, aside from being OFF methadone which aint gonna happen, can you suggest a decent dosing pattern/level that will allow me to get 'unsaturated' enough to break thru? Obviously I dont mean break thru in the usual sense like how youd take your suboxone at 9am and then try and shoot dope 8 hours later. I mean just get my done levels down to a spot where they dont completely take over my brain and leave no room for the heroin/other shit on the receptors? If I was to get my dose down to 50mg a day, say, how long is it gonna be til i am ACTUALLY at 50mg, considering the halflife, etc?

B--Given the doses that I laid out for you guys here, about how much Opana would probably be needed? I never IV'ed it before but when I used to sniff it the last time I did it, I did 120mg in an hour and still wished I had much more, didnt really catch much of a high. Thanks methadone.

C--Is it that the 'done is just jacking my tolerance way the fuck up to monster levels, or that its blocking the fuck out of everything else?

If anybody has anything else to add or suggest Ill take it. If you have any experience with trying to catch a killer nod on methadone, or how you got around it, what combos you used to get there, etc, anything, id like to hear it. Even if you think its only somewhat related. basically, anybody who got any tips for me here on getting around this ridiculous tolerance I would love to hear from you. If it was just a tolerance issue Id think that by adding more and more Id be able to get higher, but the fact that no matter how much I keep upping my dose I still dont quite get where I want to be I am sure that its just the 'done goin all mutant style and taking over my brain, so how can I flush it out, or get it to at least workable levels, other than just detoxing which I cant do? In your experience, at what dose of methadone, does it become workable and you found you were able to get high again off other opiates? How low do you have to go before it stops being a big brick wall around your receptors?

Aight everybody....thanks for the help, in advance. Also, since from what I hear yall turned super-HR, I just want to say that anybody reading this who is not a long term junkie on methadone with a massive ridiculous tolerance, DONT EVEN CONSIDER TRYING THIS. This shit aint for the faint of heart or the low of tolerance. I am able to boot a bundle+ along with dilaudid in one shot because of the methadone and because of many years of opiate addiction. I am seeking a new and better high because this one just aint doing what it should do for me. But seriously, if you read this when youre trying to figure out dosing for yourself or looking to catch a better nod or whatever, and think "Oh, well she can shoot 12 bags of dope and 10mg of hydromorphone at once repeatedly and not die, it should be fine for me to do it too" youre probably gonna end up fucked. so "Dont try this at home, kids! This opiate injection is being performed by a trained professional heroin shooter!" this is the type of shit that would KILL many people, even ones who use heroin or other opiates, so dont compare yourself to me if you are considering doing something like this, you should be really careful, the only reason I dont die is because I am damned to a life of suffering here on earth and fate will not allow me to die, and more likely, because of my insane tolerance. OK, just wanted to put that disclaimer out there, because while this may be safe FOR ME, I really dont want to give anybody the idea that this is something safe to do for most people.
 
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I take 150 mg of methadone a day and have an extremely high tolerance to opiates after 8 years now. But, if I want to get high I can usually shoot 4-6 bags of pretty solid dope and I can get a good rush and nod for a bit. I dont know why your having such trouble with 80 mg.
 
Hey sorry for not directly answering your questions lacey but considering your methadone dose isn't outrageously high (same as me when I was on it 80-100) why don't you switch to heroin completely? Over here that's about a quarter gram IV'ed , financially very doable (for a while anyway) this would solve your blocking problems as in giving you that lovely rush first thing in the morning without having to add all those exotic morphones which I imagine are quite expensive.
 
I once did this, though with tar heroin, so even more opiates in the mix (6MAM and all) and wow, it was almost too much

90mg of methadone a day isn't great, but I definitely would not call that a monster tolerance.

Just be careful, oxymorphone is powerful, and it's just beyond incredible when combined with the two other god opiates; dilly and dope. They are truly the three kings. Add some coke, whew, there's no going back
 
A--First, being, aside from being OFF methadone which aint gonna happen, can you suggest a decent dosing pattern/level that will allow me to get 'unsaturated' enough to break thru? Obviously I dont mean break thru in the usual sense like how youd take your suboxone at 9am and then try and shoot dope 8 hours later. I mean just get my done levels down to a spot where they dont completely take over my brain and leave no room for the heroin/other shit on the receptors? If I was to get my dose down to 50mg a day, say, how long is it gonna be til i am ACTUALLY at 50mg, considering the halflife, etc?

It's going to take about 1-2 weeks (closer to 2) before you'll actually 'be on 50mg of methadone'.

B--Given the doses that I laid out for you guys here, about how much Opana would probably be needed? I never IV'ed it before but when I used to sniff it the last time I did it, I did 120mg in an hour and still wished I had much more, didnt really catch much of a high. Thanks methadone.

120mg of Insufflated Oxymorphone is a fucking HUGE dose, and even if you don't catch a buzz, you can still most definitely suffer respiratory depression. Oxymorphone is much stronger than both Heroin and Dilaudid/Hydromorphone. In fact, here in the States, Oxymorphone is topped only by fentanyl in terms of potency (unless you are including Buprenorphine, but that makes things even more complicated). Also, it's really hard to say what an equivalent methadone dosage would be to other shorter acting opiates/opioids, because as the dosage of the comparative opiate increases, Methadones' equivalent dosage doesn't rise in a linear fashion really, as the chart below shows:


chart courtesy of [url="http://www.compassionandsupport.org/pdfs/professionals/pain/Methadone_Dose_Conversion_Guidelines.051810_.pdf']CompassionandSupport.org[/url]

C--Is it that the 'done is just jacking my tolerance way the fuck up to monster levels, or that its blocking the fuck out of everything else?
Well, it's the methadone for sure, but it's mostly due to the fact that methadone is a pretty potent opioid that (more importantly) has a VERY long half life. Because of its slow elimination, chronic use of Methadone allows for each dose to build on what's left from the day before-so if you took 25mg on day 1, by day 2 you would have only 12.5mg left in you, but if you took 25mg again, you'd have a little less than 37.5mg in your system for a period of time. Eventually, with chronic methadone consumption, if you stick to one dosage, the amount of methadone in your system at any given time is supposed to be more or less stable. However, it's because of this long half life that methadone can cause a 'blockade effect'. If ones daily dose is high enough (usually around 70mg and up), after 1-2 weeks of daily dosing (at 70mg and up), the methadone will begin blocking other opiates and opioids.

The truth is though, this 'phenomenon' would not be unique to only Methadone, and it likely isn't. If Heroin had a 24-48 hour half life, it would likely have a similar blocking effect at certain dosages too. Of course it doesn't, but I'm sure there are other full agonists out there that would work similarly to methadone.

I'm currently on my second go at methadone maintenance. The first time I raised my dosage up to 100mg within the first few months (though I was able to raise my dose from 30 to 80 in about two weeks). I had used methadone in the past to get high, and really didn't know much about it and had quite a few times taken 100mg in the morning (super dangerous to do if btw, I shouldn't be alive) and then shot heroin later that afternoon and gotten high without any trouble. This led me to believe that if I was on methadone, I could get high every day legally, and also shoot dope and get high off of that. Of course I was completely wrong. I was never able to get high on other opiates or opioids while being on a high dosage of methadone. I even tried taking almost 400mg of methadone to get high, and it basically just made me super tired, sloppy, and slowed my breathing down to an incredibly dangerous level. Strangely enough though, I would always get a really nice rush.

Now, about 4-5 years later, I'm once again on methadone, though I only take 50 mg. Unlike when I was on dosages higher than 70mg, I CAN still get high off of heroin and other strong opiates/opioids. In fact, I feel sometimes like I get higher when I've taken my methadone than when I skip a dose. I'm not going to pretend that it's as great of an experience as it was before I got on the program, but the rush and high are still there, and it's not shortened either. However, I should also say that I made the mistake of continuing to use opiates every day and take it from me, it is definitely possible for someone to screw up there tolerance (by using on top of methadone) to the point where you once again need to shoot dope 2-3 times a day in addition to taking your daily dosage of methadone, and I'll tell you, it makes me wish I could kick myself in the face!

My advice to you is to forget about getting high for right now. If you are set on using opiates again, than you need to taper down as low as you, because I assure you that you will be wasting all those drugs if you try to get high now.
 
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ahh thanks for the suggestion but no way dude. Nowhere even close cost wise. I pay about 130 bux a month for my done. If i used heroin everyday at a level needed to not be sick thatd be at least a bundle a day which would end up being 1500 a month so...no. Also i dont want to be addicted to dope again jist want to get high a day or two a wk so definitely not doable. Anyways...i know 90 mg aint nowhere near a monster dose but itt DOES give me monster tolerance for some reason so yea. Still fucked by it either way. I dont get how a 115 lb girl can shoot ridiculous quantities like this and not only not OD but not even get fucked up. Seriously its like ten min of a high followed by "damn im sober again." wtf is wrong with me?
 
^yeah, at first I thought you were responding to my post and I was thinking, uh wtf? ha, but anyway, that's exactly how methadone effected dope for me when I was on a high dose, I'd get a rush just like I would had I not been on any maintenance drug, followed by ten minutes of a slight buzz/sedation. It's a real waste, and I eventually just switched to IV coke (and even more horrific and arguably wasteful addiction). It's not you-its the methadone. Anyone on a blocking dose is not going to get high unless they drop there dosage to 50mg or lower and stabilize on it for a few weeks. When I was taking 100mg, skipping 3 days was no where near enough to achieve a buzz from heroin, and this was at a time in NY (2007-8) when the dope was phenomenal (at least compared to now). It was easier for me to get high on dope when on a blocking dose of Buprenorphine/Suboxone than when on high methadone doses.
 
100 mgs or less should be enough to hold 99.9% of anyone using other opiates. I think it's ridiculous that they have people on 200+ mgs of methadone, and that these people actually delude themselves into thinking they need that much! In the height of what I consider a an average IV heroin habit, 240 mgs of IR Oxy makes me feel like I did a half gram or a bundle of very average heroin, and that's more than most of the people who go on methadone for their pill problem are even taking in a day. If I switched from a gram a day dope habit to 500mg of oxy a day, I'd be slightly more than "well" for 24 hours, nothing more. So the people on pills who go on methadone and try to say 100 mgs won't hold them are either complete babies that are lying to themselves, or completely full of shit and lying to everyone else! I have yet to meet someone on methadone for their pill problem to say they were using 2000 mgs a day of oxy, or something outrageous like that...They're just chasing the methadone high(which isn't really even a high) and fucking themselves for years to come!

As far as getting high on methadone? If you're stable on anything higher than 50-60 mgs, it's a waste of time trying to get high...It's possible to use mass quantities of heroin or other opiates and eventually break through a 80-100 mg dose, but even if you manage to, that euphoric glow that you're looking for really isn't there...You nod out and it fucks you up, but it's not worth it!

If you stay at 50 mgs a day for a week or so, you can get high on that dose no problem. You'll definitely feel it more if you wait as long as possible from the time you dosed, but I'd say 40-60 mgs is the sweet spot for being on methadone and still being able to get high.

As Z-negative said, it's entirely possible to get addicted to methadone and dope at the same time where you have to use heroin on top of your dose to stay well everyday, which is a very futile situation to find yourself in.
 
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Double addiction is terrible indeed especially when you are on the move scoring methadone daily can be a bitch.

As for the 200 mg of done being superfluous I can imagine this is true for oxy which has nothing on smack addiction (I'm in Europe) in country's where smack is cheap and potent doses over 150 mg are quite common. I do agree that it is sometimes too easy to have ones methadone dose raised indefinitely to chase that euphoric feeling. In fact I was scripted 30 mg methadone at age 17 when my only opiate experiences where codeine and the like.
 
^I've always been an IV heroin user, I've never really used pills all that much...I'm on Suboxone now in its pill form, but that's the only pill Ive ever been dependent on...

I guess I brought up Oxycodone as an example of a drug other than heroin that leads people could going onto methadone..

Almost everyone that I know who goes from heroin to methadone wants to keep their dose as reasonable as they can... I've met very few heroin users who go higher than 100 mgs of methadone a day. The people I meet that are on the really outrageous 200+ mg a day methadone doses, are almost always pill users! They always have some story of how they "actually need that much because it doesn't hold them"...blah blah blah...

I guess what I'm saying is, unless they're doing the equivalent in pills that equals out higher than all the heroin users I know's habits, they're complete liars!

To use the equivalent in pills of even an average heroin habit takes a lot of pills, and there's no way that these 45 years old housewives at the methadone clinic were using the amount of pills that it would take 200mgs of methadone to keep them out of withdrawal!

I think the people who go on methadone because of a pill addiction are a lot more likely to raise their dose to insane levels that a H user... Us dope fiends know that the methadone is never gonna give us the feeling heroin does, no matter what, so we just take enough methadone to feel comfortable!

anyway, I think it's insane to allow someone with a mild pill habit to keep increasing their dose to the levels they're allowed to...

I guess it just frustrates me to see people talking about 90 mgs of methadone like its a low dose! 90 mgs of methadone will hold just about anyone with any habit! I'm sure theres exceptions, but the exception definitely isn't someone with a 100 mg a day Oxy habit!
 
I was on 70mg of Methadone from about July 2012 to about February 2013. Even at 70mg, bundle shots of Newark Fire, (not Paterson) wouldn't even touch me. I had to get BELOW 50mg for me to start really feeling the rush. Oh, and I also usually had to not dose 2 days. Once I got below 40mg, I could take my methadone in the morning and also feel dope later that day, but the rush was always best when I was in some sort of withdrawal however slight.

I've just kind of accepted the fact that if you are on methadone maintenance, and you want to get high, you have to get sick first.
 
Yeah, IMO, on that much methadone (especially consistently and having the dose stack up over a long period of time) nothing is breaking through that. All you're going to end up doing is putting yourself in danger because although you wont be feeling the high, your respiratory system will still becoming depressed and you could OD.

Not a good/safe idea at all.
 
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^I've always been an IV heroin user, I've never really used pills all that much...I'm on Suboxone now in its pill form, but that's the only pill Ive ever been dependent on...

I guess I brought up Oxycodone as an example of a drug other than heroin that leads people could going onto methadone..

Almost everyone that I know who goes from heroin to methadone wants to keep their dose as reasonable as they can... I've met very few heroin users who go higher than 100 mgs of methadone a day. The people I meet that are on the really outrageous 200+ mg a day methadone doses, are almost always pill users! They always have some story of how they "actually need that much because it doesn't hold them"...blah blah blah...

I guess what I'm saying is, unless they're doing the equivalent in pills that equals out higher than all the heroin users I know's habits, they're complete liars!

To use the equivalent in pills of even an average heroin habit takes a lot of pills, and there's no way that these 45 years old housewives at the methadone clinic were using the amount of pills that it would take 200mgs of methadone to keep them out of withdrawal!

I think the people who go on methadone because of a pill addiction are a lot more likely to raise their dose to insane levels that a H user... Us dope fiends know that the methadone is never gonna give us the feeling heroin does, no matter what, so we just take enough methadone to feel comfortable!

anyway, I think it's insane to allow someone with a mild pill habit to keep increasing their dose to the levels they're allowed to...

I guess it just frustrates me to see people talking about 90 mgs of methadone like its a low dose! 90 mgs of methadone will hold just about anyone with any habit! I'm sure theres exceptions, but the exception definitely isn't someone with a 100 mg a day Oxy habit!


I agree with you but Im curious where this all is coming from cause we aint even talking about anything like that? Nobody said anything about being on pills and getting on methadone or needing a higher dose of methadone or nothing like that. I mean what youre saying is true but Im a little confused where that came from its kind of random to just start talking about pillheads taking unneccessarily high doses of methadone, when were talking about using heroin to break thru methadone tolerance.

Did you misinterpret what I was posting or what people was saying in response to me or something? I dont even do pills....as a long term dopehead, and now methadone user, there aint no fuckin way i can get high on any pill other than hydromorphone or oxymorphone. I can do several hundred mg of oxy and not feel shit, and percs or vics are like popping tylenol. It does annoy me too when people with pill habits think they need to get on methadone because IME suboxone is way better suited to pill use. I do agree with you that unless youre doing 800 or 1000 mg of oxy a day or some shit like that, to get on methadone is kind of like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly, know what i mean? But not trying to get off topic here. Your post was kind of just like...totally out of left field there and Im just wondering how you got there, from the topic we were talking about.

Anyways, LSDiesel, Yea I know what you mean, I never use until I can feel sickness. If I dont feel sick yet, I know it aint worth even trying. This week I took 70mg on Saturday, 50 on sunday, 50 on monday, 50 on tuesday, and 50 this morning...So my receptors may be sliiiiightly less doned the fuck up than they were last time around. I know that as time goes by it will get more and more difficult to stay at 50 considering I didnt even taper but just straight up dropped. But for some reason right now it seems to be working OK. If I skip the done for the next 2 days, get high, and then jump back on at 50 and IF i am somehow able to keep that up until next week, (i imagine that after 2 days off, the sudden drop is gonna start catching up to me by then and i may be kind of uncomfortable on 50 post-using, but well just have to see) by the time next thurs rolls around I imagine that I should be somewhat cleared out. Obviously not totally but definitely at a level where I should be able to feel much more. Im lookin at it as an experiment. I wish I had the money/supplies/option to use short acting opiods to supplement my done dose so that I could taper easily and get myself stable at a level below the blocking threshold tho, but Im doing the best I can. Plus the upside to this is stockpiling pills so I have a nice stash for a rainy day. Not to get high but just nice to have them knowing that god forbid I ever need them theyre there.


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....And anyone else suggesting about resp. depression....For some reason I have always seemed to be able to tolerate crazy doses of things that should/would cause danger. I dont know why this is. Even before I was on methadone I always had a crazy tolerance totally out of proportion to someone of my size. Dont know why that is. And I aint talking about the high but in general the side effects, slowed breathing, falling out, etc. I have done some crazy shit and its like my body is this fucking unstoppable freight train that just digests these crazy substances and keeps on pumping for some reason. And thats why (well one of the reasons) I am willing to try combinations that could be considered very crazy or dangerous for many or most people. I know that my body is able to handle obscenely huge doses of shit that should normally cause significant danger. Now before all you guys come in in like "yea, but you aint invincible, it COULD happen to you, you have no way of knowing if the dose that normally just gets you high will kill you next time you use" and etc....I know. I fucking know. I saw my fiance die after taking a dose that was NOTHING compared to his size and tolerance. I know all this. And I dont think Im invincible. I do think that when its your time, its your time, and if youre meant to die, you will die, and if not, you wont. i have no way of knowing when that time is, but I aint afraid of it. I aint making up my shot with the intention of killing myself with it. If I was, I would be putting a fuckload more in the needle. Im just saying that I am aware of the risks of chasing after a high by using this many/this potent of opiates together, and I am fine with that. I know that a potential risk of doing this is death, and to that I say..."Fine." So the usual limits of having to be cautious, dont restrict me in my "quest" here and Im free to pursue the high of my dreams. Im aware that the things Im discussing or suggesting doing can be considered dangerous. I mean we all know that in general the shit we talk about is dangerous--shooting heroin is a risky thing to do, no doubt, and we forget that cuz we do it all the time. But I know that as you add more drugs into the mix and up the doses it becomes not just a generically dangerous thing but something that carries much higher and realer risks. I understand that and am aware of it and choose to do what I do in the face of that knowledge. but it aint something that people who give a shit about their survival should play with lightly. I dont suggest any of the shit Im talking about doing for anybody here. so please dont read my posts and consider it just some fun thing to try out or experience. Anyways, unless youre a long term junkie whose ability to feel pleasure is so burned out and tired, and on methadone, there aint no fucking way you should even NEED doses or combinations like this to get your high, so really, this is just some end of the line attempts at getting high by someone who has exhausted all the normal options and cant get off from the normal things that other people do anymore. not really for general consumption, kno what i mean?
 
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^There's people posting in this thread about 90 mgs not being a lot of methadone, which is the amount you were talking about. I was talking about how high of a methadone dose people actually need to hold them. It was long, but if you read it through you'd get the gist of what I was saying.
 
no, I did read your whole posts, both of them. I got it I just didnt see how it related cuz for the majority of both posts you were mostly talking about pills and whats needed to hold a pill habit and all that and then like at the end got to the whole '90mg aint high' thing. But i understand what youre saying its all good.

However 90mg AINT a lot of methadone-COMPARED TO the doses that many people are on. Nobodys saying that its a low dose objectively as far as whats REALLY needed to hold somebody. just that in general if you look at what doses are commonly prescribed (whether or not those doses are really needed) its not that high. Many many people on MMT who aint just beginning and still raising their dose, or detoxing, are on a higher dose than 90. Thats all people were really saying I think, is that when you look at it compared to typical mmt doses its on the lower side. But fuck it because that really aint even relevant to finding out the shit I am looking for answers for so...back to your regularly scheduled thread :)
 
Well, once again if you read my post it's entirety...It's pretty easy to get through 50, once your plasma levels drop you should be fine.

You can get through doses like 80-90 mgs, but anytime I've done it TBH, it's taken about 3 massive 10 bag/1/2 gram shots one right after the other...It's weird, because you don't feel anything at all until you finally crack it, then you're just suddenly really fucked up! but it's not a good warm high, it's just a sloppy nod you probably won't remember. And yeah, it's fucking dangerous!

Fentanyl, if you can get a good form of it(not the patches), would be your best bet as far as overriding just about anything because it has a higher mu affinity than everything, even buprenorphine...

I'd just wait till you're on fifty and do some good dope on top of it

Edit: Not tryin to be a dick here, but there's no easy way to get high on other opiates while you're on methadone, but doing it is pretty straight forward, you just do a massive amount on top of the methadone until you're high, which on a higher dose of methadone may be enough kill you. It's a really dicey thing that's not just the typical HR rhetoric that you would tell a novice. It's a no shitter!
 
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no, I did read your whole posts, both of them. I got it I just didnt see how it related cuz for the majority of both posts you were mostly talking about pills and whats needed to hold a pill habit and all that and then like at the end got to the whole '90mg aint high' thing. But i understand what youre saying its all good.

However 90mg AINT a lot of methadone-COMPARED TO the doses that many people are on. Nobodys saying that its a low dose objectively as far as whats REALLY needed to hold somebody. just that in general if you look at what doses are commonly prescribed (whether or not those doses are really needed) its not that high. Many many people on MMT who aint just beginning and still raising their dose, or detoxing, are on a higher dose than 90. Thats all people were really saying I think, is that when you look at it compared to typical mmt doses its on the lower side. But fuck it because that really aint even relevant to finding out the shit I am looking for answers for so...back to your regularly scheduled thread :)


While people are on much higher doses than 90mg's, it is still plenty high enough to where the blocking effect is present.
 
Yea I know. Aint no revelation there :)

anyways bluehues...yea, fent is what I been after for a while now. I came to that conclusion on my own not too long ago and figured itd prob be the best bet for what Im looking for but Im SOL in the fent connect department so that aint nothin but a dream ATM.

I do think/hope that maaaaybe oxymorph will help me out a bit in the breakthru but who knows. Working on stickin to 50 as long as I can manage its been 4 days now and by the next time I get a chance to use it will have been 4 days of 50 and then 36 or so hours of nothing so i might be in better shape than I was last attempt.
 
Im sure you are going to take this the wrong way and I don't really care because my only hope here is just MAYBE you will pay think about this a little

You are going to die if you keep trying this. I'm not saying it will happen the next time or even 100 times from now. But the problem is you are playing around with insane doses of the most potent opioids on earth and the only thing keeping you from dropping dead is the methadone that's blocking, but here's the problem, that block is not a constant entity. Plasma concentrations change, metabolism changes, enzymes can be induced or down regulated, and with the doses you are dealing with, you have no margin for error.

Again, not trying to shame you, just trying to save a life here (I know...such a hero):\
 
Im sure you are going to take this the wrong way and I don't really care because my only hope here is just MAYBE you will pay think about this a little

You are going to die if you keep trying this. I'm not saying it will happen the next time or even 100 times from now. But the problem is you are playing around with insane doses of the most potent opioids on earth and the only thing keeping you from dropping dead is the methadone that's blocking, but here's the problem, that block is not a constant entity. Plasma concentrations change, metabolism changes, enzymes can be induced or down regulated, and with the doses you are dealing with, you have no margin for error.

Again, not trying to shame you, just trying to save a life here (I know...such a hero):\

Yea, I know it will. And if it does, I will be very satisfied with that outcome. Thanks for the concern tho.
 
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