It's pretty f ucked up when you think about it...

[Prometheus]

That we take a pill/s with little or no knowledge of what's in it, or where it's been nor whom has made it.
Now before someone mentions testers I'll say that these can only test for the most prominant substance, and are unlikely to pick up substances/toxens which are less present.
We never really give it much thought other than with regard to rare cases(gary abletts chick)but we could die.
Its funny that when we go out for a night of fun it's also a role of the dice, I never have the same pill twice because I always want a different experience. When I think about it it's really not worth the risk, but the thing is how often do we really think about? If something happened to one of my friends I would probably think differently. And until that happens we're never really going to think about the risk in real terms, it'll just be something on the news.
In short our hobby is kinda f ucked up.
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[This message has been edited by Prometheus (edited 20 April 2001).]

 

[De Quincey]

yeah dude, of course. it's like a really big game of russian roullette, occasionally someone's gonna get a bullet. but we take risks every day. i say do everything you can to reasonably minimise the risks, and know what you're getting yourself into. and play safe.
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[madmick19]

i think along the lines of DQ, but ever since some of my mates have flipped out and also had seizures i am always on the lookout for them and sometimes do not have such a great time because they know that i have harm reduction knowledge and want answers......
i read it here somewhere that ppl do not know what they are taking but only want reassurance that it cant hurt them. then they will take it......with no knowledge
i think that Prometheus is correct that we roll the dice, its a matter of chance, how do we know that mabey one of the fillers may cause a anaphylaxis type responce which could kill us???
we dont, but by the same token it our hand which feeds us!
i think that the responsibility is up to us and if we choose to do something dangerous try to factor out as much risk as possible then roll the dice...............
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"ill never try an E" quote from me june1999(and i didn't untill about 40 pills later)

 

[-Thoth]

Tis' true... A somewhat dangerous lifestyle.
No matter how much "harm-minimisation" steps we take, getting burned is still a possibility. When we engage in such activities it is important to keep this in mind, to never take for granted the risks to our saftey.
If we recognise this, we shall always remain vigilant for the saftey of ourselves and those around us. If we remember how fragile we really are, we are better equiped to deal bad situations that may arise.
While E may not be the evil substance the government and media would have us believe, nether is it our friend. It's a strong, unregulated and sometimes tainted chemical whose effects are not fully researched.
I worry about some of my freinds who pop pills like candy... I worry about myself sometimes.
We need to carry these thoughts with us, so as to put everything into perspective.
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[focus]

dude one of my mates almost died, and in the process of getting him to hospital he almost took 4 of my best mates with him, just watch out. I'll tell u about it sometime. It was the scariest shit i've ever been in.
Plus once i had really fucked pills and though i was in hell getting punished by the devil for eternity, which only lasted 10 hrs, but after that that scared the shit outta me and i stayed clean for a while after that.
just b careful(if u can)
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[FrEdDo]

I know I'm ignorant so don't flame me telling me so, but:
I'd much rather pay my money, roll the dice, and see where I land than not do illegal substances.
Sad to say, if I die so be it. I'd much rather die today, than old and alone.

 

[dancinbabe]

You know whats really fucked..
I don't want to think about it... Because the second I stop and take the time to look at the bigger picture or to put things in perspective I relise what a stupid game I am playing with life.
I am (as most of you are too)too smart to take drugs when I stop and look at what they are so I don't. I got to websites like BL and I buy a tester and I make sure that I buy pills from people I know and I trick myself into thinking I know all about what I am putting into my body and what it is doing to me but actually I know shit..
And untill, a friend goes to hospital or I lose a friends life or even my own, I will continue to take drugs and put my life and my happiness at risk.
And my ignorance and denial will keep me there.
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"If computer games really affected kids, we would be running around dark rooms
at night, mucnching little pills and listening to repeditive music.."

 

[OrbMan]

Fuck yeah, this is a really good fucking topic CAUSE ITS THE TRUTH. About 8 months ago at a Billboards I was pilling with a very academically bright friend who was failing all his subjects at uni and he opened up to me about his drug usage. He said that he couldn't study like he used to, his concentration was low, he found it hard to control his emotions, his was lonely and generally more depressed. I probably should of heeded his implied advice cause that is how I feel after 3-4 months of hard drug usage (E and Speed and Marijuana). I'm starting to get my life back together with a positive attitude, regular exercise and commitment to uni, work and friends. IMHO if you pill each weekend for three months straight, you ain't never coming back the same

 

[RushingRococco]

Everything we do in life, we do it at a risk.... we never know whats gonna happen around the corner.
Life is too short to be thinking about - should I- shouldn't I, u do what you do coz you want to. If you feel uncomfortable about things and have to many worries and fears about it - leave it alone.
I live on the principle - we live life once, so go crazy don't stop, do whatever makes you happy - at least if you end up in a fucked situation - you were happy in your last moments.
In the light of drugs - moderation is the key - if you find yourself popping just so you can be happy - turn away now, give them the flick
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[Airwalk]

If we can't make it SAFE we can can damn well try to make it SAFER. And forget that whole thing about risk and reward.
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[babydoc_vic]

Well, it is kind of dodgy, I agree. However, there are things that I have experienced that have made it all worthwhile. I fully acknowledge the risks - I have seen some serious rave casualties as I worked in a psychiatric unit - but providing people are well informed and take precautions, you are less likely to die from illicit drugs than from alcohol or cigarettes. Providing you don't mainline ANYTHING (the most risky route and the hardest to reverse as absorption is so quick), don't take huge quantities and don't mix a huge variety of substances, you should be safe. You also need to give your body a good rest - the rave casualties I have seen have all been a result of multiple dosing and combining of different stimulants over a period of a few days, a recipe for disaster. I am pleased to see that people here are thinking seriously about the risks involved with this lifestyle - hopefully this will lead to people taking care of themselves and their friends.

 

[jakoz]

Freddo: Im not going to flame you - almost everyone that takes pills is in the same boat.
The people on here are among the most educated users in the world, and I guarantee that most here (me included) have taken a pretty big gamble lately (eg. taking a virtually unknown pill).
All you can do is test what you have, dont take something you dont know about, have people to watch out for you, and above all (for me at least) only take something which has been taken before and is proven clean.
Sure, the testers can be tricked, and sure you can get a bad pill, but what encourages me every time I come on here is the sheer number of people that WANT to know what theyre taking and WANT to be safe.
The fact that bluelight servers are crashing is testament to the fact that noone knew that such a huge amount of people actually gave a shit about what happened to them.
And another thing (damn rambling)... there are nearly 20000 users of this board. Of that, I would make a guess that 5000 of them are fairly well read on the dangers of E (and extremely well read compared to the general population). Now, throughout the next year, I would expect each of the 5000 to give advice, in the course of parties and such, to 10 or so people and friends. (Conservative estimate). These friends sometimes pass on what they have been told by a bluelighter. Fairly quickly, over 100,000 people have had at least SOME extra info compared to what they had.
This is the long way of saying that, although we take risks, people want to be safe and that because they do, through sheer numbers, it will save lives. The effect is exponential.
*Forgot what I was saying, but no sleep does that... there you go*
Oh yeh... well done everyone for simply coming on here. Youre helping yourself and your friends. The risks cant be cut, only cut down, but we can make it, in a broad sense, reasonably "safe".

 

[Tarsarlan]

Thumbs up to Jakoz...
I don't think it really is all that dangerous if you're careful... I havn't had a pill in the last year that I've had any doubts about because I didn't take it until quite a few people I know had already taken it... If a whole heap of people take the same pill I have and all have a good experience, I can be pretty confident I'm not going to keel over and die when I take it...
For this to work someone has to be the guinea pig, but there's enough people out there for it to not have to be us...
And even if we do have to be the one to try it, you don't have to take the whole pill at once... If you think about it, there's a rather small chance of death if you a) test the pill, b) buy if from a source you've used before, c) take only half, and d) don't take any other drugs
It might not be 100% safe, but no-one would die if they were careful...