Benzos Is this possible, or is my friend lying to me? (40mg alprazolam 'adventure')

[SangerRainsford]

It was my friend's birthday on friday. we'd all given him little trinkets as per usual, but one friend of ours, who is prescribed 2mg of xanax/day, had an *entire* bottle accumulated from priors months. He gave the birthday-boy an entire bottle - 60mg alprazolam - as his birthday present, sometime in the afternoon on friday.

by early evening, it was clear the bday boy had consumed a decent amount, but he was still quite coherent and all. Hell, he even went to the bar w/ us, was able to talk/socialize and, after maybe 5-7 drinks, was "loopy". He still wasn't showing much of the characteristic "benzo'd out" symptoms though- minimal slurring, no tendencies to close eyes/put his head down, etc.

we ended up hanging and partying ALL night, well into saturday afternoon. at this point, it was just him and I and, we each had several more shots. I was ready to just crash, but he wanted to keep going. I said fuckit, i'm going to bed soon bro, let's start getting stuff cleaned up.

SOOOOooooo, he's watching TV, and I start getting his stuff inline (we were at my place), so I could just get some shut-eye.

I ask him where the hell his xanax went, as I wanted (*wanted* - of course I'd never take something unprescribed to me!) a few mg's to get some nice slumber. he says he has no idea where the hell he put it, but he was sure he left it at my place, and didn't bring it with him. a *thorough* search of my place finally, after like 20min, yielded a bottle with *19* pills left in it. He says he had no idea where the rest was, and that the 19 must've been what was left from the HALF of the pills (I personally saw him count them out into (2) 30pill piles when he received them. we tore the place up looking for the "missing 30" pills, to no avail.

I want to say he must've just eaten them all, but the truth is that this kid has NO tolerance to benzo's!!!!!! he was definitely messed up all night, but 11mg seemed like an accurate description (plus moderate drinking). When he finally went to bed around noon, he slept til maybe 6pm. I know that ppl with tolerance and a 'taste' for benzo's could definitely do a 41mg dosage over such a period, but even still they'd be groggy for days usually, and certainly wouldn't just sleep for 6hrs once they finally got into a real bed to sleep it off.

Is it possible, in any realistic way, that he actually consumed **41mg** of alprazolam?! W/O tolerance?? Plus booze? AND wasn't passing out any chance he got? It just doesn't add up in any way to me, i figure there *has* to be another spot with the other 30 pills SOMEWHERE, so I'm frantically trying to find it to get it outta my goddamn house (and back to the giver, not the birthday boy!).

I'm experienced enough w/ benzo's to know that, even when I had quite a superman-tolerance to them, that taking 60mg's in under 24hrs would have me passing out anytime I closed my eyes, and surely would have me sleep for like 50hrs once I did finally get to lay down. This kid was hanging out (slurring/stumbly, but still coherent enough), driving in cars, going to stores, etc, and only slept for a small while when he finally laid down in my bed (he even woke on his own, and was up-and-at-'em when he woke!). I know his tolerance is practically nil, and I know that, in the past, his tolerance - even while high-ish - would've had him falling asleep standing up on those dosages.

I truly believe the experience was an 11mg xanax experience, not a 41mg one. But the other 30 pills are still completely MIA, and given the way the night went down, there's zero chance that anybody else could've taken, or been given, any of his pills.

I can't make any sense of this, so i'm hoping ppl may be able to shed some light on this, before I have to tear apart every goddamn nook and cranny of my home to find this (possibly) missing package!!!
((IF he really did take 41mg, I know/doubt it'd be anything that'd hospitalize him <provided he took them over the course of many hours, at least>, but being able to stay up all night, when he barely slept the night before, and then not having a hibernation episode when he finally went down, is absolutely not characteristic of a 41mg xanax experience in a xanax-naive individual))

HELP PLEASE! I really just wanna end this saga! Oh and I saw him today, he's fit as a fiddle, active, normal, just that - as expected on an 11mg xanny experience - he can't recall much/any of what happened!!

 

[verso]

It's such a short-acting benzo that it's possible he may have taken 40 mg, but it would most likely be over the course of many, many hours.

I know that I have performed the xanax-disappearing trick once or twice before, and it goes a little something like this...

"Hey! I just got my prescription filled! It's a 3 month prescription, so I'm going to take 8 right now!"

(2 hours later...)

"It's a 3 month prescription! I'm going to take another 8 right now!"

(2 hours later...)

"I know that sniffing xanax is stupid and wasteful, but it's a 3 month prescription!"

(2 hours later...)

(2 hours later...)

(2 hours later...)

(The next day...)

"Hey....... dude, seriously, where's all my xanax?"

 

[SangerRainsford]

i feel stupid asking this, but are you exaggerating at all? I mean, I'm NOT exaggerating a single bit of that story.... it's true, the time from when he got that bottle (around noonish on friday), til when we discovered he had no fuckin idea where they were*), was about noonish on saturday, and we never slept).
is that actually possible in a benzo-naive person?
(*=off the bat, he couldn't find ANY of them, then he found a bottle with 11. the "premise" we're working on is that, of the two 30-pill piles that were on my kitchen table, they must've been in different containers, him having gone through 19 from the container we found. I just cannot wrap my head around a kid having gone through 49mg of xanax, plus a hefty amount of booze, in about 24 hrs when he had little/no tolerance to booze/benzo's, was tired before this entire ordeal began, *and* didn't even pull a hibernation when he finally went down!!)

if this is possible - that this happened, w/o him falling asleep at the bar/in the car/once we were home watching tv - and not even needing much sleep despite passing out in a great bed w/o disturbances, than i can kinda comfortably stop tearing my house apart.
/you know how it is trying to find something that someone else hid while they were fucked up - it's insane, especially something so small... i'm going nuts, and if i spend 5+hours tearing through my house, for nothing, i'm gonna fuckin lose it!!

//EDIT: the one thing I CAN be sure of is that nobody else shared w/ him, and he had them in a zippered-pocket the entire night, which is where we found the remaining 9mg when we were back. but i never left his side that night, so he wasn't hadning them out to ppl, there's no chance whatsoever that someone touched them at my house, and i personally didn't touch anything <was the designated sober person, BORING!>, so they're either in his stomach or in my house. The latter makes far more sense, given the circumstances i cannot really find the 1st scenario viable at all!!

 

[wcote]

If he has NO tolerance to benzo's not a chance.... especially with the booze.... he would be out cold or dead IF he has no or little tolerance.

Even if he had a tolerance to have the much and booze would put him right out of it.... proper messy.

 

[SangerRainsford]

his tolerance goes something like this, on average (this is over the past, say, 6mo - 1yr)
some weeks he'll be 100% sober
if he has a 'drinking weekend', he can get to almost 10 drinks before he's spinning/puking
with benzo's, maybe 3-4mg xanax has him all chilled out

the one thing that is kinda abnormal with him, tho, is that w/ benzo's he doesn't really appreciate the "chill" quality they give, he does have a tendency to want to feel 'fucked up', which doesn't really happen with benzo's if you get what i'm talking about. that's the ONLY thing that gives me any worry that perhaps he did eat them all, but, BUT, the "logical" part of me says it's simply impossible, no fucking way could he get them friday afternoon, find 50mg missing on saturday afternoon, and somehow during that time he drank at least a pitcher of beer and two jager shots.... it just seems to me that anyone w/o a 'significant' tolerance wouldn't have even made the ride home, let alone gotten here w/ the sun up and begged us all to go to the beach with him....

/am still searching for them right now, if i find them they're going right back to the gift-giver, he's not getting his grubby hands on those bitches if they are, in fact, still in existence!!

 

[Secobarbital]

I swallowed 40 at once one time. If you have no tolerance, this is hard/impossible to do. It's hard to die off just alprozolam though so OD isn't a big risk unless mixed with another drug which you guys were doing, thus making what you guys did unsafe. Once you get the tolerance, it's real hard to come up with enough to do any real damage other than not remembering anything.

 

[mrflowers00]

i've taken 50mg with a six pack of beer and came out fine but i have a high tolerance to benzos but also a very low tolerance to alcohol

 

[verso]

i feel stupid asking this, but are you exaggerating at all?

No, I'm not exaggerating. That's how it happens, or, in my experience that's how it happens, at least.

I have taken ridiculous, copious amounts of both klonopin (clonazepam) and xanax (alprazolam) before. I used to take so much adderall during the school week that I would literally come home on a Friday night, throw myself onto the couch, and make little stacks on the coffee table out of my klonopin or xanax, you know, like poker chips. I would reach down every couple hours or so, pick up a stack, and throw it down the hatch.

I can't recommend doing that, of course, and I promise you that I suffered the consequences, but it does go to show that it's definitely possible.

 

[OEandricearoni]

If i remember right it's pretty hard to od on xanax, so it's possible he took a shitload of it. Then again, if you guys were hanging out at your house with a big group of friends it's possible your friend gave a bunch of them away to people and just didn't remember because he was drinking and was on xanax. You'd think he'd be ridiculously messed up if he took 40 milligrams of xanax AND was drinking though. That's like cant walk anymore messed up. I never would take more than a milligram or two when i was drinking on xanax, and even with that small amount it always resulted in like blackout fucked up. I dont know how anyone could drink on 40 milligrams of xanax and still be coherent unless they had like a crazy xanax tolerance or something.

 

[xbloodwhipx]

Well, you forget things on xanax so its very possible he did forget he took them and kept taking more but if he was drinking it should of killed him right?

 

[tyrael]

.....
I know that I have performed the xanax-disappearing trick once or twice before, and it goes a little something like this...
.....

Bahahahah! (this made me chuckle a little verso, well done!! ^^). Observational humour - one of the oldest methods to "crack a joke"!!!

 

[tyrael]

I can also attest to verso's comment* on the amnesic affect of all benzos (!) an d especially during poly-drug use (in this instance == acohol + alpraz.

It is "here" (read: poly-drug usage) where (id say) majority most of the problems lie.

*i'm sure we've all experienced it!!

 

[Pegasus]

There's really no telling man, he could have eaten them or he could have been careless and lost or had them stolen. It is not uncommon for people to go way overboard with this drug when trying to use in a recreational way.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

this isn't unheard of, as tolerance is acquired rapidly.

He may have hid 30mg of it and you may haven't found it.

Either way, trust me, people do this, although I do not and have no desire to.

 

[CounTerOrdeR]

Its totally possible, but damn that is alot.

Ha, last time i got my rx filled for clons i took like 6(.5s) then i decided i would buy a mickey of rum to potentiate the clons so i didnt eat my whole script in 2 days like every other time. Nope. Doesnt work. I woke up the next morning with the booze all gone and 3(out of 60) pills left.

Oh shit was my buddy ever mad,i supposedly told him i would save him 5 a couple of time when i was in a stupor when he heard i only had 3 left he was like "you know what you hit rock bottom just fucking keep them", *click!.. Benzos are funny lil things. Never have i come across anything as addictive as clons, not H not coke, not oxy... and they dont even get you fucked up. Like i said funny lil things...

 

[Antecessor]

How about if he was using amphetamines, then 40mg and grog wouldnt have touched him!

 

[caminaus]

Have had many random nights boshing Valium, tamazi's, amoung other drugs etc and it is amayzing what the body can with hold (and still be standing).. It def wouldn't be out of the question for your mate to have taken all of your tabs and still wake up 6 hours later. sometimes the effects that would normally effect you seem not too when you take more and you can fight the feeling! but you can go for days having taken lots of different drugs including downers... wake up 3 hours later and get back on it again.

Having said that I got on it one weekend with a mate we bought 40 indian 10ml valium each he boshedn about 70% of his in one night and i took mine consistantly over the weekend, he woke up on the monday having shat the bed from passing out on the friday night. (lucky to wake up i suppose) and i lost my job... ohhh the joys of benzo's, as im sure with alot of us, too many crazy stupid stories to even remember!

<snip>

 

[krychick]

I once took 30mgs of Xanax at once, my max script was 4mg/day, but I'd go over sometimes, I don't think I had ever taken more than 6mgs in a day at that time (I was taking them therapeutically then). I was also taking Vicodin at the time but don't think I took them together. I was awake for a bit but then everything became pretty blurry, I passed out and slept for a long time. Woke up fine. I think it is possible.

 

[muvolution]

There isn't much harm reduction value here. You guys can steer it towards HR, or just keep talking about how much xanax you or your friend took that one time, and I can send it over to Drug Culture. Let me know.