Help! Is it possible to develop tachycardia from the first mega dose of magic mushroom ?

[danxo]

Hi @ll, tachycardia from first mushroom trip?

after my first and only trip on golden teachers ( 5g dry ) half a year ago my heart rate is constant elevated.


Pulse went from 60 to 90 and even higher that night.


Now a Doc did a EKG, found tachycardia and gave me Bisoprolol for it to take 1.25 mg 1x daily.


Can this still be a mental issues or is it physical?


Is it possible that there was a issues before hand and the trip only triggered the racing heart beat in this situation?


I could need some input about this topic.


Thank you for all the insights you may have, cheers!

 

[perpetualdawn]

I'm glad you got some medical attention about your heart. I remember you posted that you had a wildly high resting heart rate earlier, so I'm glad to hear you got it checked out. Is this beta-blocker helping?

My thoughts are: There is a big interplay between the mind and the heart. I think everyone has noticed how a single thought in the right context can make your heart race, without a physical impetus. I don't think it's impossible that the mushrooms could have triggered a cascade panic or anxiety state where you are much more prone to a racing heart than what is normal, or even a chronic elevated heart rate.

If the mushrooms did have a role in this I wouldn't expect that it was due to a direct pharmacological effect or you'd hear about this kind of thing more often. It would be more likely to have been a catalyst that nudged that psycho-somatic system that was already close to a tipping point over into a different mode/state.

It could also be pure coincidence. Sometimes things happen at the same time.

What do you think is going on @danxo ?

 

[paranoid android]

It could definitely trigger anxiety and a racing heart. Any anxiety can do that. I find having trip killers on hand just so i know i can end a trip is helpful

 

[danxo]

I'm glad you got some medical attention about your heart. I remember you posted that you had a wildly high resting heart rate earlier, so I'm glad to hear you got it checked out. Is this beta-blocker helping?

My thoughts are: There is a big interplay between the mind and the heart. I think everyone has noticed how a single thought in the right context can make your heart race, without a physical impetus. I don't think it's impossible that the mushrooms could have triggered a cascade panic or anxiety state where you are much more prone to a racing heart than what is normal, or even a chronic elevated heart rate.

If the mushrooms did have a role in this I wouldn't expect that it was due to a direct pharmacological effect or you'd hear about this kind of thing more often. It would be more likely to have been a catalyst that nudged that psycho-somatic system that was already close to a tipping point over into a different mode/state.

It could also be pure coincidence. Sometimes things happen at the same time.

What do you think is going on @danxo ?

thanks for your answer. beta blockers making heart burn, do not feel any positive effects from it yet. it is very small dose of 1,25mg and only couple a days.

 

[danxo]

It could definitely trigger anxiety and a racing heart. Any anxiety can do that. I find having trip killers on hand just so i know i can end a trip is helpful

thanks for answering!

first part might be right, but how do I deal with this?

it is already some time ago so second part does not help because it is too late for that now

 

[Quasimoto]

first part might be right, but how do I deal with this?

Breathing techniques, meditation, healthy diet/exercise, and learning to not be overly concerned about your heart rate.

If you have anxiety, checking your hear rate will only make it worse, its a negative feedback loop.

 

[danxo]

Breathing techniques, meditation, healthy diet/exercise, and learning to not be overly concerned about your heart rate.

If you have anxiety, checking your hear rate will only make it worse, its a negative feedback loop.

thanks for the reply. I already did it all. how do I learn to not be overly concerned about the heart rate
yes, that is correct. I just feel it (something is wrong ) I do not have to check it all the time.
it is just there

 

[Quasimoto]

thanks for the reply. I already did it all. how do I learn to not be overly concerned about the heart rate
yes, that is correct. I just feel it (something is wrong ) I do not have to check it all the time.
it is just there

Go to a doctor and get an ECG test. They will say you are fine (probably). Then you can use that as a mental tool to question your anxiety about it.

Mushrooms are not cardiotoxic nor associated with cardiac events.

 

[danxo]

I did ECG . tachycardia it says, so does the doc

 

[danxo]

how to question your anxiety about it?

 

[pupnik]

A strong trip can definitely shift your psychological disposition
The big hope is that it improves your disposition, with a view to how the nature works in synchrony.

Sometimes people emerge from this more disturbed than soothed.

I am sorry that you are taking the medical diagnosis of symptomatic tachycardia instead of going for psychological counseling.
Don't PM me about this, I am not speaking from first hand experience, but I am experienced with doctors doing what will appear to be professional even if it is not the best treatment.

 

[Quasimoto]

I did ECG . tachycardia it says, so does the doc

Like said, tachycardia is a symptom not a disease. If the doctor did not diagnose you with anything, it's likely just anxiety. We aren't doctors here and can only speculate. If the doctor thought something was wrong, they would have given you a device to wear that monitors your heart rate over 3 days.

You never even posted what your heart rate is, cross referenced by age/sex/BMI.

how to question your anxiety about it?

Trust the doctor and come to the conclusion that there is nothing physically wrong with you. Anxiety can have powerful effects on the body, most notably by increasing your heart rate. When you notice your heart rate and think it's high, this creates more anxiety... which then speeds up your heart rate even more. It's a negative reinforcing loop.

Switch your mind to something else. Trust the ECG. Trust the doctor. Learn not to trust your anxious thoughts. Don't believe everything you think.

Also try putting it into perspective. Exercising makes your heart rate go up tremendously, but it's not dangerous.

I may be stating the obvious, but if you are naturally this anxious about your heart rate, you should avoid doing drugs.

I have seen so many posts exactly like this one, "I did drugs once and ever since my heart rate is high". It's very common. What is most likely going on is they started paying attention to their heart rate for the first time in their life, and now are anxiously obsessing about it, compounded by the sociological fear of drugs being harmful.

 

[pupnik]

yeah, but the doc proscribed blood pressure pills, so I would not exactly trust the doc.

 

[danxo]

yeah, but the doc proscribed blood pressure pills, so I would not exactly trust the doc.

correct

 

[danxo]

Like said, tachycardia is a symptom not a disease. If the doctor did not diagnose you with anything, it's likely just anxiety. We aren't doctors here and can only speculate. If the doctor thought something was wrong, they would have given you a device to wear that monitors your heart rate over 3 days.

You never even posted what your heart rate is, cross referenced by age/sex/BMI.



Trust the doctor and come to the conclusion that there is nothing physically wrong with you. Anxiety can have powerful effects on the body, most notably by increasing your heart rate. When you notice your heart rate and think it's high, this creates more anxiety... which then speeds up your heart rate even more. It's a negative reinforcing loop.

Switch your mind to something else. Trust the ECG. Trust the doctor. Learn not to trust your anxious thoughts. Don't believe everything you think.

Also try putting it into perspective. Exercising makes your heart rate go up tremendously, but it's not dangerous.

I may be stating the obvious, but if you are naturally this anxious about your heart rate, you should avoid doing drugs.

I have seen so many posts exactly like this one, "I did drugs once and ever since my heart rate is high". It's very common. What is most likely going on is they started paying attention to their heart rate for the first time in their life, and now are anxiously obsessing about it, compounded by the sociological fear of drugs being harmful.

even if the doc would thought that, he does not have that device himself. you need to get it from somewhere else a specialist not the regular doc.
he only has long time blood pressure but not long time EKG ecg

I put the heart rate in there. m 35 pulse went from 60 to 90 in rest. never had any problems before, also always lower pulse than now, could also bring it down actively with breathing.

I am aware of negative reinforcing loop.

-Switch your mind to something else. Trust the ECG. Trust the doctor. Learn not to trust your anxious thoughts. Don't believe everything you think.-

I did that, and would not be posting here if it just worked out like that.

so should I exercise or not?

to your point: if you are naturally this anxious about your heart rate, you should avoid doing drugs -> it is not natural for me. something like that never happened to me, ever before. If that would be the case I would have had this problem earlier but it is only since the day I described

to the rest of your post: I get what you are saying and what you mean, but it is not like that. I did only this kind of drug the first time, and I did not just start paying attention to the heart rate then for the first time in my life. ( resting pulse always 60, now it is 90-120, when in movement even higher)

like said before, I always knew it, I could actively lower it and it was never this high, and it went always back down before that event. I am not obsessing about it just now and no sociological fear of drugs being harmful

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I don't know what the blood pressure med/beta-blocker was but I think some are pretty benign, I do propranolol for PTSD symptoms and most any prescription or illicit drug I have used has caused more prominent side effects and I would consider it ok to prescribe something that takes the thoughts off of it, if it is psychological that could help with really curing out of it, if that is possible. I don't see obvious issue with the doctor here but I don't know what's the drug that was prescribed either.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

If doctor didn't advice against exercising, definitely exercise. Correctly moderated exercise is one of the most important things to do with many conditions. Professionals can guide you to utilize it to heal instead of harm.

 

[Quasimoto]

m 35 pulse went from 60 to 90 in rest.

That's not very abnormal for your age, especially if you do not regularly exercise. I am 35 and mine hovers around 72-80, and I routinely jog.

so should I exercise or not?

Yes. Get into aerobic exercise. This will naturally bring down your resting heart rate and is the most effective way to do so. When you strengthen your heart from cardiovascular heart rate, your resting heart rate goes down.

 

[danxo]

where does it say that I do not exercise regularly?

That's not very abnormal for your age, especially if you do not regularly exercise. I am 35 and mine hovers around 72-80, and I routinely jog.

this might all be fine for you, but that does not automatically mean it has to be fine for me.

for whatever the age: something like that does not just change like that overnight, right?

I think we can all agree on this point

 

[danxo]

I don't know what the blood pressure med/beta-blocker was

bisoprolol 1.25mg daily.



how long does it take to show effect, somebody know?


I think bisoprolol might be a bit different to propranolol

does propanolol maybe take the thoughts off of it more?