Is it just me or is main stream rock/hard rock dead

It's not dead, it's just being overgrown by commercially produced, recycled bubblegum pop.

This happened in the 80s too, if you recall. Then the "grunge" thing tore that shit to te ground and lit it on fire.

There's lots of good stuff out there, you just have to look for it. The Black Keys, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Gary Clark Jr, Black Mountain, the Allah Lahs (probably not "hard rock, more 60s garagey"), Black Angels, there's a whole landscape out there. It just takes some digging.
 
It kinda sucks you have to research and go look for good rock bands though. In a way, I do view it as a positive as many said it is fresh and you see them at intimate clubs rather than arenas but a negative because you may have to wade through 10 oceans of shit until you find the few islands of good music.

Namnoc, we are pretty much the same age and I tend to agree that rock was over sometime in the early 2000s but a lot of that also has to do with my nostalgia for the 90's when I was a young, idealistic and far less jaded man than I am now and some of the best times of my life occurred then. I think it is just an inevitable consequence of getting older.
 
I think in some ways it is also the sign of an artform getting older.
Every form of art has had surges of creativity and innovation that have been driven by technical and contextual evolution.
In the case of rock music, the excitement it generates - and wildness and rebellion it thrives upon - is dependant on the social context it exists within.
As the taboo of sex and drugs becomes something of a quaint nostalgic memory, rock'n'roll - at least as we know it - loses a lot of its power.

Also, from the technical side of things - just as visual art, film and photography has been changed aesthetically by the digital age, so has rock music.
That warm crunchy guitar tone that is ever-present in "classic" rock music from the 60s and 70s? It comes from (literally) heated-up amplifier valves - not solid state modern amps with digital effects piled on top of it.

Likewise the valve microphones used - and the reverb chambers that were used to create that beautiful resonant vocal sound you hear in a lot of old recordings - 40 or 50 years ago, these things were created manually in studios - often with a bare minimum of equipment, and and only a handful of tracks to record and overdub with.
These days, with digital reverb modulation, and unlimited tracks in the studio - producers are spoiled for choice and possibilities - but to the detriment, in some senses, to the "rock'n'roll sound".

Digital reproductions of the kind of sounds we associate with rock music are close - but arguably still a really long way away from creating a sound as beautiful as older styles of rock music.

And the way i see it, when people like me start thinking that the sound of old technologies were better, we run the risk of falling into the kind of nostalgic romanticisation of the past that i think of as the enemy of creativity and innovation.

When rock'n'roll starts looking like a bunch of rehashed stereotypes and cliches - yep, it starts to suck.

I agree that the last great era of interesting - and popular - rock'n'roll was in the early to mid 90s.
There is something i envy about previous generations growing up with (new) music that they could enjoy with lots of other people, and which helped define certain eras.
The postmodern hybridisation of musical styles - and pillaging of the past - seems to reflect a lot of what is going on in other art forms, and society more broadly.
my ear, a lot of new rock music sounds either obviously derivative, "retro" kitsch cliche or just over-compressed flat sounding rock-by-numbers. The gems are truly few and far between - and great when you find them.

But i tend to think of it sometimes as analogous to what was called "trad jazz" in the UK in the early 60s - generic jazz music, played by people culturally removed from its origins and stripped of a lot of the raw excitement and power of the jazz that inspired it.

Similarly, i think the best rock n roll today avoids the specific genre purism that is associated with a lot of the rock music that informs it (whether it is grunge, psych rock, punk or whatever) - and just branches out in whatever direction people want to go in.

The record industry's heyday is long over, but that isn't entirely bad or good (for artists or consumers) - arguably it is a bit of both.
Rock might be dead but i still love it :)
 
That is a great fucking post spacejunk. I agree that discounting modern technology is something many so called purists do, but it is here to stay. Maybe we just have not yet seen or heard truly talented musicians in the non-electronic music realm create the perfect fusion of the old and the new on a grand scale, but it seems unavoidable and may be the next era of great rock music.

I think a lot of people dislike technology in rock, pop or whatever because of what it can do to vocals. Anyone can sing now because a computer can fix any of their flaws and I admit, it feels like cheating. But many dont realize the amount of technology all bands utilize. You already mentioned amps and production, but those were already utilizing tech, although more primative and thus gave a grittier or more authentic sound. But, hell even drummers on regular kits are doing similar things, especially in metal. I just started drum lessons after 20 years of wanting but never doing, and my teacher and I were talking about how the speed which metal guitarists can play is too fast for many of the drummers to physically keep up with, so they add computer generated beats to make up the difference. Is this cheating, too? I tend to think not because metal has gotten faster and faster and fans want it, so they use the tools at their disposal. They still are outstanding drummers, but their body's have limits, so I just view it as not compromising their vision or creativity because of our physical incapabilities.
 
U guys can talk about the old days and all that but hook me up with a good keyboardist with a decent voice and I'll play the guitar. I'm in the Southern California area too. Got a car though. People like to bitch about how awful music is, but no one will get up and play. Just bitch, bitch, bitch...
 
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