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Is it healthy to try Clonezepam to fall asleep?

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What happens after I take one? Would it help me put myself to sleep?

Is one 2MG tablet too strong or should I try half of one?

Do all the negative side effects really happen? Will I have to pee more frequently, and have panic attacks after taking one? I'm confused
 
If it is real deal stuff from pharmacy, I'd recommend 1/4 or max. 1/2 first time (0,5-1 mg). It should do the trick but if you need to get KO fast, I would dissolve it under tongue. 2 mg is not dangerous if you have no other sedatives in your blood and you don't need to be in your best condition for 24 hours.

If it is not real pharma stuff, there is no guarantee about consequences. I don't recognize the blister pack in picture, cos I probably don't live where you do.

Effects to bladder or bowel movements are rather minor, at least in that dose. I wouldn't be worried about that stuff.

You might have minor rebounds when it wears off which probably happens in 12-24 hours but nothing serious. You might be drowsy when you wake up.
 
It's never "healthy" to rely on Benzo's for sleep. Just as it's never healthy to rely on alcohol for sleep either. Benzo's can be an effective short term solution for insomnia, anxiety and panic attacks. But be warned, just like Alcohol, physical dependency can build very quickly to Benzo's, then before you know it, you're dealing with the rebound effects which are quite often many times worse than the initial systems the Benzo was used to treat.

It's also important to note that there's a big difference between quality of sleep and quantity of sleep. Clonazepam can easily knock a person out for a good 8-12 hours at a high enough dose if they have no previous tolerance to the drug or cross tolerance with other Benzo's or Alcohol. However much of this is what's known as "dead sleep". This is where you're kept in a low level sleeping state for an extended period of time and the duration of quality REM sleep is greatly shortened.

Using it as an occasional one off if you really must get to sleep for a certain time is "ok". But it's not something you want to make a regular habit out of due to the quick onset of physical dependency.

If it's your first time taking a benzodiazepine, I'd recommend taking no more that 0.5mgs (quarter of that tablet) as your first dose to see how you respond. The balance is to take just enough to help you fall asleep with a little effort, but not so much that it knocks you out cold without even attempting to get to sleep.
 
Frazzled1990 said:
It's never "healthy" to rely on Benzo's for sleep.
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To be pedantic, it is also very unhealthy to not sleep properly.
But I don't really deny anything else you say. Commonly there are way better options. And many people aren't even that great responders to daily benzo that it would put them into better place even at peak serum levels of benzo.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
To be pedantic, it is also very unhealthy to not sleep properly.
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I agree with this entirely. A good quality sleep works wonders for brain and body health. However, I would argue that a person does not sleep properly on Benzodiazepine's due to the reduction in the REM sleep stage, rendering the vast majority of the sleep in the N1 and N2 stage.

There's a common misconception that sleep duration is the most important thing. However, while it's perfectly normal for some people to require 8-10 hours of regular sleep, for others, as little as 5-6 hours is perfectly optimal for their own genetic make up. What is however vitally important is the overall quality of sleep. People who naturally sleep shorter hours tend to hit the REM stage more quickly than those who sleep longer hours. Some people can hit REM within the first hour of falling asleep, others may take 3-4 hours to hit the REM stage.
 
Frazzled1990 said:
It's never "healthy" to rely on Benzo's for sleep. Just as it's never healthy to rely on alcohol for sleep either. Benzo's can be an effective short term solution for insomnia, anxiety and panic attacks. But be warned, just like Alcohol, physical dependency can build very quickly to Benzo's, then before you know it, you're dealing with the rebound effects which are quite often many times worse than the initial systems the Benzo was used to treat.

It's also important to note that there's a big difference between quality of sleep and quantity of sleep. Clonazepam can easily knock a person out for a good 8-12 hours at a high enough dose if they have no previous tolerance to the drug or cross tolerance with other Benzo's or Alcohol. However much of this is what's known as "dead sleep". This is where you're kept in a low level sleeping state for an extended period of time and the duration of quality REM sleep is greatly shortened.

Using it as an occasional one off if you really must get to sleep for a certain time is "ok". But it's not something you want to make a regular habit out of due to the quick onset of physical dependency.

If it's your first time taking a benzodiazepine, I'd recommend taking no more that 0.5mgs (quarter of that tablet) as your first dose to see how you respond. The balance is to take just enough to help you fall asleep with a little effort, but not so much that it knocks you out cold without even attempting to get to sleep.
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Pissed_and_messed said:
If it is real deal stuff from pharmacy, I'd recommend 1/4 or max. 1/2 first time (0,5-1 mg). It should do the trick but if you need to get KO fast, I would dissolve it under tongue. 2 mg is not dangerous if you have no other sedatives in your blood and you don't need to be in your best condition for 24 hours.

If it is not real pharma stuff, there is no guarantee about consequences. I don't recognize the blister pack in picture, cos I probably don't live where you do.

Effects to bladder or bowel movements are rather minor, at least in that dose. I wouldn't be worried about that stuff.

You might have minor rebounds when it wears off which probably happens in 12-24 hours but nothing serious. You might be drowsy when you wake up.
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Ok thanks, I'll try 1/4 of it not now but I really need to.

Its not pharma stuff, it's from a health nutrition shop that sells shakes to people.
 
Hugs For Drugs said:
Its not pharma stuff, it's from a health nutrition shop that sells shakes to people.
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I'd be very wary of taking any substances being sold as a Benzo from a "health nutrition shop". There's always the potential that the tablets are fake pressed tablets and may contain other substances instead. Unfortunately, Fentanyl pressed tablets being sold as Benzo's is becoming more common place and it only takes a very tiny amount of Fentanyl to trigger an opioid overdose. Just something to remain wary of. It's always useful to keep some Naloxone on hand just in case and have somebody there who can inject you with it, should a Fentanyl overdose occur.
 
Frazzled1990 said:
I'd be very wary of taking any substances being sold as a Benzo from a "health nutrition shop". There's always the potential that the tablets are fake pressed tablets and may contain other substances instead. Unfortunately, Fentanyl pressed tablets being sold as Benzo's is becoming more common place and it only takes a very tiny amount of Fentanyl to trigger an opioid overdose. Just something to remain wary of. It's always useful to keep some Naloxone on hand just in case and have somebody there who can inject you with it, should a Fentanyl overdose occur.
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It's not sold to people or advertised as a benzo, I known the lady for years, and she only sells this type of stuff to people she knows

I'll try beer before any of this, good thing I came to you guys first 🤞👍
 
Frazzled1990 said:
I agree with this entirely. A good quality sleep works wonders for brain and body health. However, I would argue that a person does not sleep properly on Benzodiazepine's due to the reduction in the REM sleep stage, rendering the vast majority of the sleep in the N1 and N2 stage.

There's a common misconception that sleep duration is the most important thing. However, while it's perfectly normal for some people to require 8-10 hours of regular sleep, for others, as little as 5-6 hours is perfectly optimal for their own genetic make up. What is however vitally important is the overall quality of sleep. People who naturally sleep shorter hours tend to hit the REM stage more quickly than those who sleep longer hours. Some people can hit REM within the first hour of falling asleep, others may take 3-4 hours to hit the REM stage.
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You are again right.

But I applied in this also logic that has came unfortunately very familiar to me that any KO with dog sleep is welcomed if option is to not to sleep. I don't care to explain it but I have such conditions that brute force KO is sometimes what I just happen to require or otherwise I am in loop where sleep deprivation increases at same pace than pain, stress and agony and I get nowhere. I turned to unemployment partially for the reason I could choose rather control over other factors than do meds.

Mirtazapine is great for sleep quality tho. Knock out goes for over 24 hours tho.

Having shitty benzo WD wave now tho. 5 months off. Vile stuff.
 
Hugs For Drugs said:
It's not sold to people or advertised as a benzo, I known the lady for years, and she only sells this type of stuff to people she knows

I'll try beer before any of this, good thing I came to you guys first 🤞👍
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If it's somebody that you know personally for many years and you know that you can trust them, then in all likelihood, you'll be fine. I'm sure she wouldn't purposefully give you anything that would endanger your life. Just make sure you know where she got them herself first. Knowing the initial source of the product is key to keeping yourself safe.

Beer's probably not the best idea, as you'll have to drink a fair amount of it and you'll just end up feeling hung over and groggy in the morning with a rough hangover following a rough sleep. Besides, you don't want to consume beer only to then take the Clonazepam later anyway. Alcohol and Benzo's are one of the most dangerous combinations, this is because they both act on the same receptors in the brain and can multiple the overall effect. This can lead to respiratory depression and then you may never wake up.

I'm not trying to put the fear into you. I know you're desperate to get some sleep. Just be wary of what you're doing and the combination of substances in your body and the potential interactions.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Having shitty benzo WD wave now tho. 5 months off. Vile stuff.
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I'm sorry to hear that, I've been there myself with protracted withdrawal. The thing that sped up my withdrawal recovery greatly was fasting. I consumed nothing but water for 14 days straight. Although I don't know the exact mechanism's as to how this worked, my hunch would be the elimination of neural inflammation. Once you reach about day 4 of the fast (day 3 and 4 are always the toughest to get past), the body enters ketosis and the inflammatory response shuts down. The body then breaks down cells in order to produce ketones (which is basically your bodies natural substitute for Carbohydrates). The good thing about this is that the body specifically targets the damaged cells first, including the cells in the brain that have inflammation left behind from Benzo use. The cells are then replaced with healthy new cells.

I realize this probably reads like complete pseudoscience, but it worked for me. After being in protracted benzo withdrawal for over a year with a series of waves and windows, 2 weeks of consuming nothing but water pretty much resolved everything. Even other issues I was having unrelated to benzo withdrawal cleared up as well.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
No it makes sense and fits coherently with what I know. Thanks. I'd consider 500 kCal/day fasting with salt.
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I'm not sure if that would work. I may be wrong, but I believe Ketosis is required. Consuming any calories may inhibit this from occurring. Ketosis may still be possible while consuming calories, but the process may take longer and it would require strictly carb-free calories. In saying that, jumping into a full 0 kCal fast for as long as 14 days straight away isn't the most sensible idea. It can cause blood sugar and insulin levels to plummet and may lead to hypoglycaemia in certain people. It would be more sensible to gradually reduce your calorie intake over several weeks until you finally reach 0, to prevent the possible risk of a hypoglycaemic shock to the body.
 
Fake tabs being possible aside. As has been said, any sedative is handy for sleep short term but can be (very) counterproductive if used for more than a few days.

I used to be addicted to Valium but I still find benzos, especially Zanax, useful for sleep. I set serious rules, set in stone, for their use. I will only use Zanax if there is something going on the next day which has me wanting to sleep well. (Insomnia is wanting to sleep well too much, worrying about sleep) I never use it just because I have insomnia if there is not an important thing the next day. (not just work) I will use never more than one day in a row and never more than once a week. I also lay the fuck down to sleep immediately after taking one so I don't get a buzz and enjoy that.

Set hard rules and use sleep aids as a tool only. If you're ever tempted to use them to relax before or after something or for a buzz then you have started down a slippery slope. Don't do that.

I find Lunesta to be just about as handy for this use and easier to get. Same rules apply. Lunesta has me tending toward rage for the first few hours the next morning, though. So, I have to be aware of that.
 
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