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Interested in moving to Australia (Please read for details) :)

applesbliss

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Hi,
I've never left american soil before. Personally it's time for a move from my current place of residence: http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum18/HTML/012305.html?reload=20 Southern California aka "Desert Hell Hole"
Australia has always intrigued me by seeming such a vastly interesting and distinct place. A majority of Australians who I've conversed with seem to have so much pride in their country that it's blazingly inspiring. If you ask me (And many other americans) they might refer to america as, "The land of the weak, home of the slave, bible-thumpin'(In the south), close minded, moronic(Jerry Springer for the most part is real), disrespectful, corporation run country". America is very diverse and as such is very different depending on one state to the next.(Though after you've lived here for as long as I it generally becomes very mentally assimilated)
I'm originally from the right(East) coast of the states. I've made a few attempts at moving back in that direction. As ready and eager as I am to move, the times that I've tried to move back in the past months. The plans have just disappated(By something or another not coming to be).
From years of thinking to myself and being interested in the world as a whole. I've begun to think about places that would be magnificient and something different. Someplace that could potentially be comfortable.(Though I'm going into all of this assuming any move to a completly different country will have it's fair share of obsticals) I've considered Canada, the Netherlands(Don't speak dutch, heh), Mexico, and the UK. None the less, Australia seems to be a place that my heart is directing me.(If it doesn't work out to move back to the East coast of the US)
As idealistically as I'd love to live in a "perfect" world. Every country has it's own quirks and difficulties(It's a state of mind), human nature. Australia seems to have some radical and really cool ideas(Compared to america) and it seems like a place that would potentially culture my present worldview into something great it's never been before. Australians do seem friendly, like to play with crocodiles(J/K
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), and communicate respectfully(If you don't believe me just compare the American social forum to the Aus social forum). And I'm under the impression that american accents drive the australian women wild. j/k
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I'm not so much into the "ParTy scene" right now as I am into electronic music. I'm submerged into Progressive music(House, Trance, Breaks), IDM/ Experimental, Jungle/D+B, techno, and so forth. Not so much that I acually go to parTies to hear the music(Most clubs are age 21 and up over here). But I just enjoy listening to it anywhere. I'm not much of a dancer, but can give a good lightshow when I try hehe. I've gone through most of the common(And some not so common) recreational drugs, considered myself addicted to a few. I think at this point, I want to find somewhere comfortable to live. It doesn't really matter where, the drugs aren't important. But the music is and I think Australia has alot of opportunitly in finding someplace comfortable to live.
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The last two places I've moved have basically been picking a random person from classifieds. I ended up having better luck the second time(The place I presently reside) than the first. But I've been around Bluelight for two years and spent alot of time learning and exchanging in the information this board has to offer. All the while seeing the Bluelight "community" grow. And I tend to trust Bluelighter's and Bluelighter opinions many times more than a "random person". As such I'm not intending on finding just a "random" person again unless absolutly necissary.
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There alot of pride to be had in this board(Though it is just the internet).
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I'm thinking of moving to the Melbourne area, but am open to ideas about any areas of the country. I'm male(Everyone should know this by now
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), 20 years old, very responsible. And presently have a ISP / VoIP(Voice over Internet Protocol) job. Basically I get paid to surf the internet and occasionally people call me up with a problem and I resolve it. I'd like to try and find a similiar job(I'm sure there are plenty in Australia) and I'd consider practically anything in another field.
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Most importantly with this venture/adventure is finding a place to live. Due to my present circumstances I'd have to give a 30 days notice no matter what(Because I promised I would). So I'd have to secure a place for definite and then look at giving my 30 day rental notice. I'd hope to move someplace in roughly 2 months +/-.
The current exchange rate looks like it may work in my favour(Almost 1USD = 2AUSD). Even though it's gonna cost a 'fair penny' for the initial plane ticket for getting my arse over there and moving all my belongings(Not too many just cloths, computer, sentimental stuff, boombox, N64, ect..)
In all honesty and naturally there are many a concern about making a leap across the Pacific ocean. If I ever did need to come back to america for any reason it would cost alot and wouldn't be as easily accessable.
I've chatted with so many amazing Australian bluelighters and even lived with one for 4 months. Australians do r0x.
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Thank you for reading this extremly rambling post.
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Any adivce, directions on how to ride a kangaroo, places to live, job offers/possibilities, please post 'em up or e-mail me.
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Thank you!!!!
applesbliss | Shaun | [email protected]
P.S, Is there gonna be a international Bluelighter exchange program?
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Wow - big changes soon coming your way. As I read through your post, the thing that stood out the most is that you've never travelled out of the US before. I really admire your courage and ability to see the traps of your homeland, but I'm also a little concerned for you. Migrating is massive upheaval.
Rather than "move" to our wide brown land, I would suggest that you come here for a working holiday first, just to make sure you're really into it. I'm speaking from experience here - I spent nearly 2 years on a working holiday in Canada.
The reasons I recommend this course of action are many:
A working holiday allows you freedom to explore the country and pay your way. If you're seriously considering living in Australia, you can pin-point your preferred location and build yourself up a base of friends and employers. That way, should you choose to migrate, you'll have friends and sponsors that can aid you in the bureaucratic nightmare that immigration always is. You'd come to the country having made and informed decision, rather than 'cold canvassing'.
A working holiday would, in the event of you not liking oz or missing home/whatever, allow you to return home. As I understand it, USA is a bit "all or none" - there ain't no welcome committee for defectees...
Packing up everything you own into boxes and a backpack is *really* tough. During my time in Canada, i saw many people unable to handle the pressure and they were only on working holidays - not there for the long haul.
A working holiday is great because you get to fuck around for 12months, meet awesome people all around the country, find your feet and make and informed decision.
If I were you, I'd look into getting a working holiday visa, I'd ask my parents/family/friends to look after my belongings that I didn't sell, I'd buy an 85litre backpack and a Canada 3000 plane ticket.
travel is vital to the inner growth of an individual. I personally have grown and strengthened so much as a result of my travels and many of my priorities have changed. Not that I'm patronising you, but I think to make such a life altering decision as migrating to another country at the age of 20 is a little rash.
Go travel bro. and let me know when you're in Sydney!
all just my humblest of humble opinions...
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applebliss
looks like you are on the threshold of a lifechaging decision!
All I can say is go for it. We take this country for granted some times. I have recently come back from overseas and it made me realise just how lucky you are.
If you are looking to see as much of Australia as possible, the eastern seaboard is probably your best bet. Melbourne and Sydney would be the two cities in which IT work would be easiest to find. Apparently Sydney is the IT capital of Aust, but likewise work in Melbourne should be very easy to find. (There are many IT people who frequent this board who could no doubt put you in touch with IT contacts or IT recruitment agencies. http://www.monster.com is a general website that many general recruitment agencies search and post on)
In terms of lifestyle, Melb and Sydney are pretty close. Sydney is slightly more expensive to live, however, average salaries are higher. Sydney's weather is generally a little warmer and clearer, although Melbourne is beautiful in the winter.
Both have strong electronic scenes, with Melbourne music tending to be harder and faster generally. Both have thriving electronic communities.
And there are plenty of bluelighters in all Aust cities as well.
All the Aust cities have excellent cases to earn your company, but in terms of finding challenging IT work, saving on the air fare, having a base to travel from, and satisfying your Bluelight type urges, Melb or Sydney are probably your best bet.
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Yeah would have to agree with pinger on all counts, as much as I hate Sydney (Its just a rivalry thing). Also Unemployment is very low at the moment which means even if an IT job doesn't happen quickly you'll find something that pays well in the mean time.
 
This has nothing to do witjh this post but... good to see you on bluelight again pinger
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People seem to be forgetting the actual legalities fo being able to pick up and move here.
What about resdiency visas? I know someone who's been trying to move here from America to live and work permanently for the last couple of years, but she can't get a visa. I think it's relatively expensive as well.
So i rekcon working holiday all the way, then you could maybe even set yourself up a bit here if you decide you want to make the move, talk to the right people about moving etc etc, then go back to the states for one last hurrah (because if you come on a holiday here you'll definitely want to stay
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Flashfire ditto ditto. You said it all.
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Applesbliss... one thing you have to do, is not move somewhere just because you know someone from there, or you've heard it's good.. like Flashfire said, move arouns, see where you like, don't tie yourself down to one place because its all you know - otherwise you may as well stay in the US. Besides... Melbourne doesn't really have much in the way of nice scenic beaches (unless you drive for 1.5 - 2 hrs) and it wouldnt be Australia if you didnt at least spend a big chunk of time at the beach.
 
Flashfire is spot on - I second that too.
Mona - for foreign yoof, its no problems to get a working holiday visa - and for IT people, the points scheme for permanent residence is heavily loaded in their favour - should be no problem for him. Single, male, white, (grad?), english 1st language, under 30, IT specialist - shoo in.
 
ab - you know we don't want your kind here
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Damn americans flush with money, taking our jobs and our women :P
Like I said before, Australia is a great place to live and many of us here don't realise it until we see how other people live. Perhaps it would be a good idea to travel first (ie backpack) to some South East Asian countries. Everytime I travel abroad to countries which aren't as developed as Aus / Usa, I come back with a better appreciation of what I have and how lucky I am to live in Aus. Maybe you would see your situation at home in a different light?
Not that I wanna discourage you from coming to aus, I just wanna give you options mate.
*bunny hop*
Otherwise, any major Aus city is fine and each offers different things. Maybe include our eastern seaboard in a backpacking trip also? (Bris / Syd / Melb and maybe Can). I've lived in both Syd and Melb and I love both but for different reasons. As for IT salaries - the difference is about 5% but cost of living is higher in syd - mainly rent. I suspect your decision will be made for you when you find a job.
Try www.itjobs.fairfax.com.au or www.jobnet.com.au
These are both IT career websites and will help you identify opportunities.
You may also need to check with immigration - I don't know how our Working Visa laws work here.
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Thank you everyone so much for your imput. I wasn't even sure if anyone was awake over there at this time. I'm not even sure what time it is over there right now, heh.
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I'm at work right now so I'm going to sit down when I get home and write a really well thought out reply and take a good look at the advice given.
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As haste stated, good to see you post, Pinger!
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As far as visa, I'm glad I've gotten the responses I have, making me aware.
I thought it would be much simplier, e.g: get passport, pack stuff, move(With everything else in between
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Well I mean any harm and would only want to contribute to the well-being of the country if I did move. So don't think they would have any reason to decline me.
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I admire your courage applebliss.
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I think the one thing you'll notice from moving out of cali is the air down here. While melbourne and syd can get a little hazy in the middle of summer, drive for 30 minutes and you'll be amazed by how blue a sky can get (and don't start on the stars
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As for travel advice, i can't help much because I haven't done enough of it
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As well as all the stellar advice you have already received, I thought I would let you know that the IT industry here is desperate for experienced people. While i don't know much about your particular speciality, (my husband is the It expert, not me) it is well known that we have a shortage of people to fill positions. This would certainly work in your favour if you were looking at residency. Check out that link www.itjobs.fairfax.com this is where my husband usually finds work.
As for where to stay, Melbourne is generally cheaper than Sydney as far as accomodation. So it might be a good place to start. I'm sure you could find a bluelighter who had a room going.
As for smog, in Melbourne we do get a bit but you don't have to travel far to get away from that.
I'm afraid that you are wrong on one count though - the American accent DOES NOT drive us females wild. But it's not offensive either! In general we are accepting, tolerant people. Although our present government is conservative, they are not bible thumpers (thank god!!!) I have to say this is a good place to live.
And you can get lessons in kangaroo riding and crocodile games!
 
I would agree with flash. Do the working holiday thing first (not that you wont love it here..)
"I'll always call Australia home"
But as said, it gives you time to explore. Yourself said it is varied so you must see the place first and decide which is best for you (**cough**Melbourne..**cough**uhumm)
But goodluck with whatever you do!
 
apples man! Australia will probably be a huge change... not to say it's not worth it... anyways... i'm in canberra... it's ok, not brilliant but then i'm kinda critical, the big plus about canberra is cheap ass housing... anyways if you come to the land of crap beer, dodgy tourism and ugly women... i'll come and visit you wherever you are. Before i move out to brazil or the UK....
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Good luck bro!
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Having lived in the UK & New Zealand, I have to say that I could never leave Australia.
As a country it has so much going for it (except for its present government and inability to apologise...but that should change soon...!).
Both Sydney and Melbourne are beautiful, for different reasons...but give me the eastern seaboard anyday... beach, beach, beach and..what's that flash of white sand?..oh, that's beach...
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Now if only I could find 10 acres rolling down to the beach, that was affordable..it would be bliss...
A friend of mine works in IT recruitment...
try www.atria.com.au
Good luck - big move, but well worth it!
 
I don't have much to ad as everything has already been said... but I will say that I agree with most of it..
Coming from an IT background,, Melbourne & Sydney are where alot of head offices are, so those two places are your best bet...
Umm you mentioned you don't like 'smog',, well out of Sydney & Melbourne, I'd say Sydney's got the worst pollution as it has the blue mountains stopping it from being blown away, but in saying that, it isn't anywhere near as bad as Cali,,, having been there myself I know what you are referring to...
We aussies, for the most part, are great people and yes we do, for the most part, love our country and fellow aussies.. as with any country, we do have some yobbo's, but our yobbo's give us character LOLOL hell some of our best known yobbo's now live in the US, Paul Hogan immediately comes to mind, closely followed by Russell Crowe LOLOL
ANywayz,, just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in,,, where do I get change for a dollar ????
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applebliss,
I moved to Melbourne from Canada in October of last year. I'd never been to Australia before and didn't know anyone here but it has been the best decision that I've ever made in my life. If you come here, be prepared to have the piss taken out of you - Australians love making fun of Americans (just like Canadians do!)
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My situtation is somewhat different from yours in that I was offered a contract job here so that my employer looked after all of the visa stuff for me. But from talking to people here, I think that it is possible to come over on a visitor's visa and then try to get a work visa. I'm now considering trying to stay in Australia permanently.
As for shipping stuff...bring the bare minimum. Your best bet might be to have things packed up and get a friend to ship things over once you're settled in here. Remember that electrical standards are different here so there's really not much point in bringing too much electrical stuff. And I don't think that North American gaming systems work on the tvs here (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about that).
Feel free to email me if you want to know more...
 
not much advice i can give that hasnt already been covered .. but yeah if you are looking for house, trance, breaks, jungle/D&B, techno, etc .. theres no shortage of that over here, in Melbourne. I believe the same goes for Sydney.
 
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