So I have this friend who isn't very experienced with stimulants at all(snorted meth twice when I gave it to him) and I recently was prescribed 20 mg focalin xr. Well this is a really good friend of mine and I want to get him as fucked up as possible without(or with relatively low) danger. I have also acquired some caffeine pills, which I find compliments fOcalin very nicely. I already know I'm going to let him snort 10 mg of crushed up focalIn, but what would be a (relatively lol) safe dose of oral caffeine to go with that for a noob? I was thinking at least 400 mg of caffeine with the insufflated 10 mg of focalin. What are your opinions/suggestions?? And sorry btw if I posted this in the wrong section!!!
the key is relatively low danger like you said, and mixing stimulants with caffeine your first time is just not a good call let alone 300mg of it.
Is it the lack of the other isomer in focalin that makes you like adding caffeine? I could personally see that because I do lack all sorts of peripheral stimulation with my dexedrine... and both focalin and dexedrine are the dextro isomer instead of a racemic mix of levo and dextro amp/methyphenidate (or in the case of adderall being 75-25%, I just meant racemic as in both isomers being in the drug like Ritalin and Concerta are dl methylphenidate... both are present, and I believe equally as well, which really sucks glad there is a focalin so I can try it someday when there is no patent on the drug, or if someone gives me some )
I'd say 200 really no more than 250. Thats still quite a bit to mix with a drug upon first ingestion of that substance. That's if you must mix it with caffeine. Why don't you just give him more of the focalin and 0 caffeine? You said he tried meth a couple times right? That 10mg focalin wont be too strong if he had a proper meth experience at all I wouldn't think, in terms of fun and euphoria. Although he is not experienced with stims that meth really should make him able to handle 10mg focalin easy, you can start there though. He may have a horrible time just because of the caffeine... just because you mix it like that does not mean someone who is going to be taking 10mg (shows me that chances are he is probably somewhat either new or nontolerant, possibly overly sensitive but if its his first time using focalin, we have no idea to tell till after dosing and waiting till it works) is going to think thats a good combination.
I could be wrong who knows he could love it... we don't want anyone thinking the caffeine was the best idea for mixing into the experience and possibly taking something else for the first time down the road and remembering "hey i mixed 300mg caffeine with that focalin, so why not try it with this Adderall? (don't know if that person did or did not take that before, but any stim goes where Adderall did into that sentence, like a variable would "x") "Oh damn I think something went wrong I took 30mg adderall and 300mg of NoDoz why am I so tense?" lol, that last little comment makes me laugh I like using examples that are obviously stupid... no offense I'm not calling you dumb OP. I'm not doing that at all. I am a heavy stimulant user 100mg+ d-amphetamine a day and I don't catch a physical push, which is ok most of the time, and I would not add caffeine to catch that physical push.
I would not and I do not mix caffeine with stimulants like amphetamine or methyphenidate... regardless if its the dextrotary isomer or not. Caffeine of all the stimulants is one I don't add to other stimulants. Not that I mix my stimulants in most cases just noticed that it can make the primary drug very very uncomfortable... rather easily actually.
this is an example but sometimes when I'm only able to take the last 20mg of my 900mg in total prescription (90 tabs = 900), and its the only dose I have left, the first dose as well of the day for example... then I may take it and then several hours (4-8 hours) later start drinking something with a little caffeine like Diet Coke or something relatively lower in caffeine content. The amount of 300-400mg would be equivalent to a couple energy drinks... depending on the size... I'm going by the basis of a 12 ounce "not too strong in strength" energy drink. Like 2 redbulls that are about 12 ounces would be really 300mg of caffeine, actually still less than that... so we are talking 3 redbulls is what you are thinking in the first post. thats really quite excessive, random people are sensitive to caffeine, due to its difference in receptors it uses, and not sensitive to psychostimulants. I'm moreso one of those people. 200mg caffeine can give me too many jitters and anxiety sometimes actually. But 50mg dexamphetamine won't cause ANY jitters or anxiety (no shit *about myself I mean* about not getting jitters its the d-isomer, I'm surprised how little of anxiety I do get from loads of dexedrine though... its like its TOO easy to handle... so then yesterday over a 24 hour period that thought ended up with me dosing all together 200mg, and then I got a little tense... not bad, well kinda for a short short time.)
So thats just my thought, but if you must 200 seems good, he can always take more caffeine. I'd just take more focalin though personally. 10 first time is ok. Even 15 or 20mg with no caffeine at all besides a Coca Cola, or whatever you drink assuming soda is liked to be consumed... if not well you know what else has it in there. Everything damn near.
Note: I know everything does not have caffeine in it. LOTS of drinks and supplements do though. Even some of those marijuana detox drinks have 100mg caffeine in them which made me swap over to a different brand (which if you know what I mean, those really work btw if done correctly, every time I used it after smoking weed up to 6 hours before my drug tests, used a drink thing, and it worked like ten times for probation... its called "the stuff" %), thats a different topic though so I'm done rambling haha).
You know what you can do is just give him the focalin first then see if he needs more or some caffeine after it peaks, although its a short peak, he should get there quick after railing the shit though.
If he is sensitive to the stimulants effects though like your first sentence states pretty much, I would NOT recommend adding any caffeine at all... let him feel the focalin first alone. Maybe a couple times even until he feels pretty good on a set dose. Then maybe add caffeine but not 200 or 300 and hell especially Don't give him 400mg and say try this out for size on his first time ESPECIALLY. I cannot emphasize enough thats WAY too much caffeine for most people, speed addicts or not, adding it to a speed like drug for the first time, start lower add more maybe later. You can always take more, but can't undo what you took figuratively speaking. I JUST now glanced up at your post and saw that again... was like oh shit then fuck that idea hold the caffeine.
