Imported vs domestic METH...experiences,likings,preferable choice...welcome
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tweex
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I always get mine from a local cook whom I pay a premium not to add cutting agents, and then purify it myself. So much sketchy shit floating around.
I'd manufacture myself, but I've got too much money and too many legal problems as it is. At least the first takes care of the second.
I'd manufacture myself, but I've got too much money and too many legal problems as it is. At least the first takes care of the second.
ecstasyboy717
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Pure glass straight from the chef.I have smoked 4 bowls and I've been up 2 days. i have a high tolerance but this is breaking through it :O
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95Land
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I've gotten straight from cooks and had a few be ridiculously generous in the amount they gave.
No pricing, even if youre estimating the amount he gave you.
I was never disappointed in the cooks tweek. It was the fucks that made it their business to get their own, add a bunch of msm and then resell it that made me decide to go to someone with a superlab connect.
Easier to deal with, the quality tended to stay super high and there was no waiting for the batch to get prepped. There was always a steady stream.
So, yeah. I ended up preferring the shit from Mexico/California.
No pricing, even if youre estimating the amount he gave you.
I was never disappointed in the cooks tweek. It was the fucks that made it their business to get their own, add a bunch of msm and then resell it that made me decide to go to someone with a superlab connect.
Easier to deal with, the quality tended to stay super high and there was no waiting for the batch to get prepped. There was always a steady stream.
So, yeah. I ended up preferring the shit from Mexico/California.
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ohshea
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Superlabs all the way.
NerdOnDrugs
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The best stuff will never be made in a superlab, just the best amount of decent stuff.
It's just like with weed, it's always gonna be the local cooker with his perfected recipe that will one day turn shards into diamonds... and he still smokes em.
It's just like with weed, it's always gonna be the local cooker with his perfected recipe that will one day turn shards into diamonds... and he still smokes em.
ebola?
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Never been near enough to the source to say.
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Wouldn't this just depend on the stipulations of 1st level wholesalers? Any large foreign lab would have the capability to produce very pure product (Breaking Bad pretty much created the myth that creating 98+ percent wares is so challenging as to involve esoteric methods). This is a really easy synthesis, involving relatively simple solvent washes at the end. You don't need special recipes...
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Wouldn't this just depend on the stipulations of 1st level wholesalers? Any large foreign lab would have the capability to produce very pure product (Breaking Bad pretty much created the myth that creating 98+ percent wares is so challenging as to involve esoteric methods). This is a really easy synthesis, involving relatively simple solvent washes at the end. You don't need special recipes...
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I would think that most meth here(at least where I live) is from Mexico. God, I can't imagine IVing shake and bake. I've seen news articles that methamphetamine is getting more pure due to cartels funds going to better lab/manufacturing equipment and the US methamphetamine act from 2005.
Seyer
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If you live within a couple hundred miles of the US/Mexico border, you cant pretty much guess that its Mexican made Meth.
limonov
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This doesn't directly relate to the OPs question, but I thought guys might find this interesting:
Here in New Zealand meth has become the most common/popular 'hard' drug out there...over the last 10 years or so NZ has gone from producing pretty much all meth used in NZ, to there being a real mix of NZ-produced as well as a lot of Asian produced shit (Burma, Indonesia & Thailand apparently? No way of knowing really) to the current situation where around 75-90% of meth on the market at any single point in time will be imported from Asia.
I'm not a big fan of meth- or stimulants in general- so my perspective is that of a predominantly non-stimulant user.
The DIY, made in some Maori/skinheads garage/barbeque/wool shed. The quality, colour and general level of impurities varied heavily, although I'd hazard to say that most of it was from poor production and a lack of any/proper purification...but if it was cut it was generally only lightly cut, friends of mine wash their meth regularly for IV (easier to purify 3.5g than micron filter 20-30 shots) and it's almost always ~75+. Making good quality meth isn't hard- most of it here made commercially uses ephedrine as its feedstock, it's really not hard. It's just whether or not the cook can be fucked and if he's willing to sacrifice the extra earnings.
Different colours would often indicate different qualities- I don't know them all, but I can remember yellow meth meant that they used excess iodine to ensure a full conversion of the ephedrine into methamp- so yellow shit tended to be strong, if stinky and obviously impure. Red was terrible to IV, what with all the red phosphorous sitting in it. Different candy colours tended to mean that the dipshit managed to turn pseudo into methmp, but didn't think to clean off the coating- meth does not necessarily make you as smart as you feel. Shake-n-bake is starting to gain some popularity, but it's almost always made for personal use as it's garbage and because...
Asian methamphetamine is the bomb. Whatever you get will most likely be brilliant white, cloudy clear or at worst a very light-piss-yellow (which isn't is a bad thing^). As I said cutting isn't that much of a thing here in NZ- misrepresentation and mixtures of drugs being sold as other things or under made-up names is rife, but cutting is rare- so the quality tends to be very consistently high. People have purified it- again, for IV, as well as curiosity- and it's almost always been 85%++.
As Ebola said- methamphetamine is just a chemical, you don't even want 'all' of it, just the dextro-isomer thank you very much. Breaking bad was quite realistic to a point, and it's still fairly well researched intelligent show, but all the stuff about cooking meth being difficult or chemistry requiring some sort of genius level understanding of chemistry is bullshit. The only reason you might need a university education to work in a superlab is to learn how to operate the various machines- but even then a lot of industrial chemists would be more familiar with such industrial scale equipment then even someone like Alexander Shulgin (who could do it- but he'd have to read the manual or be given a run trough). But really, file under poetic license.
As long as the cook goes to the trouble/time/cost of purifying their gear and IF it manages to work its way through the supply chain without getting stepped on too much then 95% pure meth made in a trailer should be indistinguishable from racemic meth made by GSK or Roche or Pfizer or whatever.
I would speculate though that the big meth producing cartels (for instance, in Burma, Indonesia, Thailand, Mexico) can afford to absorb the lost profit and consequently I'd imagine that their cooks would go to the trouble to producing virtually pharmaceutical grade meth...which is not to say that it's not cut further down the line, even within their own organisation. However by starting off at ~99% pure rather than ~72% pure when your ass pirate of a dealer decides to cut it heavily to make "FAT STACKZZ YO!!elevenone!" the cartel gear will still be ~49% while the DIY gear will be a pitiful 22%.
Plus with cartel gear the gram of meth that you have in your hand will be out of a kg bag, which is one bag from a production run of 250kg in the jungles of Burma...there's probably a lot of meth exactly like yours sitting around your city, so as long as the cut doesn't change too much there will probably be a level of consistency you just can't get from dealers who depend on cooks who only does 1/4lb runs as often as he can smurf the shit he needs. And shake'n'bake would be even worse I imagine- tiny runs of horrifically impure meth.
Jesus that was rambly, I'm not even on stims- I'm on smack!
Here in New Zealand meth has become the most common/popular 'hard' drug out there...over the last 10 years or so NZ has gone from producing pretty much all meth used in NZ, to there being a real mix of NZ-produced as well as a lot of Asian produced shit (Burma, Indonesia & Thailand apparently? No way of knowing really) to the current situation where around 75-90% of meth on the market at any single point in time will be imported from Asia.
I'm not a big fan of meth- or stimulants in general- so my perspective is that of a predominantly non-stimulant user.
The DIY, made in some Maori/skinheads garage/barbeque/wool shed. The quality, colour and general level of impurities varied heavily, although I'd hazard to say that most of it was from poor production and a lack of any/proper purification...but if it was cut it was generally only lightly cut, friends of mine wash their meth regularly for IV (easier to purify 3.5g than micron filter 20-30 shots) and it's almost always ~75+. Making good quality meth isn't hard- most of it here made commercially uses ephedrine as its feedstock, it's really not hard. It's just whether or not the cook can be fucked and if he's willing to sacrifice the extra earnings.
Different colours would often indicate different qualities- I don't know them all, but I can remember yellow meth meant that they used excess iodine to ensure a full conversion of the ephedrine into methamp- so yellow shit tended to be strong, if stinky and obviously impure. Red was terrible to IV, what with all the red phosphorous sitting in it. Different candy colours tended to mean that the dipshit managed to turn pseudo into methmp, but didn't think to clean off the coating- meth does not necessarily make you as smart as you feel. Shake-n-bake is starting to gain some popularity, but it's almost always made for personal use as it's garbage and because...
Asian methamphetamine is the bomb. Whatever you get will most likely be brilliant white, cloudy clear or at worst a very light-piss-yellow (which isn't is a bad thing^). As I said cutting isn't that much of a thing here in NZ- misrepresentation and mixtures of drugs being sold as other things or under made-up names is rife, but cutting is rare- so the quality tends to be very consistently high. People have purified it- again, for IV, as well as curiosity- and it's almost always been 85%++.
As Ebola said- methamphetamine is just a chemical, you don't even want 'all' of it, just the dextro-isomer thank you very much. Breaking bad was quite realistic to a point, and it's still fairly well researched intelligent show, but all the stuff about cooking meth being difficult or chemistry requiring some sort of genius level understanding of chemistry is bullshit. The only reason you might need a university education to work in a superlab is to learn how to operate the various machines- but even then a lot of industrial chemists would be more familiar with such industrial scale equipment then even someone like Alexander Shulgin (who could do it- but he'd have to read the manual or be given a run trough). But really, file under poetic license.
As long as the cook goes to the trouble/time/cost of purifying their gear and IF it manages to work its way through the supply chain without getting stepped on too much then 95% pure meth made in a trailer should be indistinguishable from racemic meth made by GSK or Roche or Pfizer or whatever.
I would speculate though that the big meth producing cartels (for instance, in Burma, Indonesia, Thailand, Mexico) can afford to absorb the lost profit and consequently I'd imagine that their cooks would go to the trouble to producing virtually pharmaceutical grade meth...which is not to say that it's not cut further down the line, even within their own organisation. However by starting off at ~99% pure rather than ~72% pure when your ass pirate of a dealer decides to cut it heavily to make "FAT STACKZZ YO!!elevenone!" the cartel gear will still be ~49% while the DIY gear will be a pitiful 22%.
Plus with cartel gear the gram of meth that you have in your hand will be out of a kg bag, which is one bag from a production run of 250kg in the jungles of Burma...there's probably a lot of meth exactly like yours sitting around your city, so as long as the cut doesn't change too much there will probably be a level of consistency you just can't get from dealers who depend on cooks who only does 1/4lb runs as often as he can smurf the shit he needs. And shake'n'bake would be even worse I imagine- tiny runs of horrifically impure meth.
Jesus that was rambly, I'm not even on stims- I'm on smack!
NerdOnDrugs
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Are we judging the product on its pureness from right after it leaves the lab (a lab which might or might not have used cost saving measures in exchange for a less pure product but more profit), or by the time it finds itself less pure on average and in the hands of it's targets; people from LA to NY? Smaller domestic labs can get pure to the people in less time and with much less smuggling.
If it's latter, I'd say I'm right and the victor. If the former, then you're right... I don't envision many users waiting right outside superlabs to get spun.
And like ebola I have to plead ignorance on not having been near an actually one..
ohshea
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Does anyone here regularly acetone wash? Im curious as to how many people really do it
Seyer
Bluelight Crew
I know plenty of people who always acetone wash their Cocaine but not Meth.
ebola?
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True, but so can large labs that are in close proximity to the user (many SW cities are quite near Mexican labs), and pressure from wholesalers can cause purity to be maintained. But we're beginning to talk about trends in average purity rather than maximal purity, the latter being where your argument held more merit. SO, it seems that maximally pure product can be yielded from either type of source, and the average product from either source tends to be shitty depending on circumstance (the product of large labs being 'stepped on' as it goes through more hands, the product of small labs tending to be produced more sloppily).
ebola
ebola?
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Or I'd say anywhere on the West Coast. Pseudoephedrine is a prescription drug in Oregon...
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Seyer
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Just like here, but then again, I do live in the Australia of the Northern Hemisphere.