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Bupe Important Question about Bupe Withdrawal

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matthew14

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I have been searching everywhere on how long you have to take suboxone to have it produce withdrawal? With no luck on a direct answer. To be exact I took 4 mg to begin, 4 mg 12 hours later then 2 mg, about 5 or 6 hours after that. So all the sub I took was 10mg in about 18 hour's or less should I expect withdrawal?
 
No. I asked this a few years back when I was trying to come off and the answer I got was 1-2 weeks. Of course it varies from person to person. 1 day of taking bupe won't have you dependent on it.
 
Cool, I would like more opinions, but thanks for your answer. I took the bupe for coming off a minor heroin habit of about 2-4 bags a day for a couple month's. I took it 25 hours after my last dose of H before bed (4mg) it helped a little but not to much, I was able fell asleep for about an hour or 2, then couldn't really sleep the rest of the night. Upon waking I took another 4mg, like I said before it helped but not tremendously, so about 5 hours later I took another 2mg, started feeling better but not totally, but it did make me sleep for 8 hours. Woke up this morning feeling much better like I was out of the water, almost back to normal better. Now later in the day I feel like ass again, I do have 2mg left of sub but I do not wanna take it and risk bupe wd after I am better from the h wd. At 7 tonight it has been exactly 3 days (72 Hours) since my last dose of H, but I'm scared to take the 2mg of bupe I have left since I am sooo close to the 3 day mark with no H..
 
the reason I'm asking is because I feel like complete ass in crazy withdrawal right now, and got 2mg of sub left in front of me, but am fighting it with all my power to not take it since the H is almost out my system in a matter of hours, and I been through sub withdrawal before and DO NOT wanna do that again.

also do not understand why I'm in such crazy withdrawal already when I have the sub in my system, my last dose was yesterday at 5pm (2mg) and It's about 3:00 pm the next day now and I'm in crazy WD?
 
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I did a 7 day taper starting around 7-8mg and dropped 1mg a day till I jumped off at that
I had a pretty long and nasty dope habit, and just being on the sub a week didn't have me totally dependent to them, actually it gave me the easiest wd I've ever had in my life

Don't worry about staying on it longer than 4 or 5 days, your wd will be easier I bet
The key is to dose/stablize for not very long/taper down and jump

I'm sure there is a sub mega thread with a plethora of info you could check out though if you would like to read up on more opinions
 
I used H for 1-2 months, I am almost 72 hours clean from the H, only had a 8 mg film and a half one of sub to detox with, I used 4mg then 12 hours later 4 mg, then about 5-6 hours later 2mg, now it's about 22 hours later and I'm back in crazy withdrawal, I have 2 mg of Sub left and am fighting to not take it since I'm hours away from being 3 day's clean from the H. But I'm in crazy withdrawal, worse than the 25 hours before I took the first 4mg of sub, what should I do?
 
You have to taper with the sub. You're going to go through withdrawal no matter what, the point of sub is just to lower your tolerance and only need to dose once a day because it has a long half life, therefore you'll have way less severe symptoms then just if you'd kicked heroin itself at that high tolerance level. You don't get addicted to specific drugs like heroin, bupe, etc.. you get addicted to opiates as a whole so it doesn't work where.. you take bupe for long enough to kick heroin but not long enough to get addicted to bupe.. you are dependent on opiates no matter what and no matter which one you're taking, it's just your tolerance level and the half life that changes how bad your withdrawals will be and how long they'll last. That's the point of switching to something like bupe and tapering.

So, to make the eventual withdrawal as easy as possible, gradually taper on the bupe until you get down to around .5mg's or .25mg's, and then stop. Taper over the course of about a week. Then when you hop off everything, you'll feel shitty, but the withdrawals will be bearable. You'll be able to function and whatnot. You wont be bedridden like you would have kicking dope flat out and no tapering.
 
I understand what your saying, but I would take it this way. Since H is a full agonist opiate and bupe is not that while on the bupe my body detoxed the H in the 3 days, and now I only have to withdrawal the remaining bupe from my body..
 
matthew14 said:
I understand what your saying, but I would take it this way. Since H is a full agonist opiate and bupe is not that while on the bupe my body detoxed the H in the 3 days, and now I only have to withdrawal the remaining bupe from my body..
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Indeed, but you will still experience the unpleasantness of physical dependency, even with a rapid taper.

When I first abuse opioids I had 0 tolerance and two weeks nodding off on bupe left me with no physical dependence that I remember, but I was so naive I probably wouldn't have noticed the minutiae of misery.
 
matthew14 said:
I understand what your saying, but I would take it this way. Since H is a full agonist opiate and bupe is not that while on the bupe my body detoxed the H in the 3 days, and now I only have to withdrawal the remaining bupe from my body..
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Lol H or bupe whatever they are both opiates don't make a difference if its considered a partial one. If you don't want to taper on sub's in fear of getting addicted to something you already are physically dependent on then just withdrawal from the H and don't take sub's just roll around in bed for a week or 2 or taper sub's using micrograms(the easiest way)
There's no way to say how long you need to take sub before your mind starts to become addicted to it in the sense that you've taken it too long because everybody's different.
 
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matthew14 said:
I understand what your saying, but I would take it this way. Since H is a full agonist opiate and bupe is not that while on the bupe my body detoxed the H in the 3 days, and now I only have to withdrawal the remaining bupe from my body..
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You'll still be physically dependent no matter what.. only the withdrawal severity and duration will change depending on what opiate (whether it be a full agonist or partial like bupe) and what your tolerance is/dose you come off at.

You don't detox from H while on bupe, that's not how it works. You're just replacing the heroin with bupe.. continuing the same dependency, just with a different drug with a longer-half life and that doesn't stimulate the opiate receptors nearly as much as heroin. So you're going to have to go through withdrawal no matter what, it's just that tapering on the bupe to a low dose, will make the symptoms less severe. That's the point of tapering, and the point of switching to bupe specifically, is that it has a long half-life so you only have to dose once a day, and it also doesn't stimulate the receptors like H does, so you wont get high on it and thus have a very hard time with tapering just like one would if they tried to taper on the H itself (which is technically possible.. just very difficult to do as it requires an incredible amount of self control, and as an addict, that's something you don't have).
 
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Yeah man I don't know anybody who was ever able to successfully taper with their DOC like that (besides chronic pain patients and whatnot, but I'm talking addicts who've been using to get high).
 
Yea if you could taper your heroin use and control it then you wouldnt be in the predicament you are in. Addicted to heroin.
Lol that's why methadone was used for matinence and tapering.
 
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Yea if you could taper your heroin use and control it then you wouldnt be in the predicament you are in. Addicted to heroin.
Lol that's why methadone was used for matinence and tapering.
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Yeah, but methadone is a full agonist, and probably one of the more sinister and of last resort, I would think bupe easier to taper than methadone. Hell I used methadone to get high. Loperamide is a full agonist but it's unique features I think make it easier to taper, but that's just me. I'd only get on methadone if I couldn't stop shooting tar or something, and since that is not the case, I'm stuck with lope. All the features make it preferable, legal, otc, no high, cheap as fuck.

It's all relative to your situation. A rapid bupe taper of >2 weeks should be rather mild I should think.
 
I have done this before when I was in the same predicament and suceeded, and was clean up until the point my girlfriend of 14 years broke up with me, now I am at rock bottom and have nothing left, I want nothing more than to be clean. I actually slept 8 hours last night, and woke up feeling much better, took some l-tyrosine, made a couple liters of lemon / lime water and jogged / walked for a mile. I still feel much better than I did yesterday, but I feel a little worse after reading some of the above posts unfortuently. I have no means to get more sub, and don't wanna relapse, at 10pm tonight the sub's 72 life from the last dose I took is over. I only took 10 mg in a 18 hour period at 4,4,2..
 
Well unfortuently I relapsed, but on the bright side I got my hands on some sub's and I'm going to do a proper taper this time. Going to suck waiting 32 Hours to take the sub though, I only waited 25 last time and it didn't work very well, got me sicker for a hour then I felt just a little better after that.. Also my grandpa is in the hospital for 2 weeks and he's letting me stay in his mansion, so I have my own personal rehab mansion to get clean. It truly is a perfect chance for me to be off the H for good...
 
It takes awhile to become physically dependent on bupe, if you're not currently dependent on opioids and never really have been...

Using a drug like bupe to make a detox go more smoothly works, but nothing completely eliminates withdrawal, especially if you have a history of opiate dependence...

Some people do "luck out" on their first few detoxes, and are able to taper painlessly...but when you reach the point some of us have, where you've kicked opiates more times than you can count on both hands...we become fully dependent with a few days of use, and the withdrawal symptoms are brutally painful.....

If you barely have a habit to begin with, tapering with bupe could do more harm then good...especially if you're using high doses like 8-16mgs to start the taper...If you're going to use bupe to taper, you shouldn't use anywhere near that amount..You should start around 2mgs, cut down in .5 mg increments, and only take the bupe for 5 to 7 days max....Any longer than a week, you're gonna start getting dependent to the bupe itself, which has a much more long, drawn-out withdrawal than just about any full agonist opiate you may be trying to come off of...
 
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