Heroin I'm thinking of trying heroin...some questions

[Pb109]

Hi guys,

So I'm thinking of trying heroin. It seems in this day and age with research chemicals and the dark web I don't have to leave the house to score now. Happy days. Let me tell you how I got to this stage. Back in 2011 I tried codeine for the first time (cwe). I absolutely loved it. I would probably say I did it only 2-3 times a week for 2 years....the dose increasing in small amounts all the time. Then in 2013 I started to dabble in tramadol. A friend gets over 100 pills every fortnight and gives me the lot. Tramadol is like a wonder drug to me. It gives me so much confidence and energy and helps me do my job which is pretty labour intense. My tramadol pattern is like this you see...9 days of constantly taking the drug and being the happiest, confident and most thoughtful person you can imagine. When I stop (well, they run out) I have 2 days of utter fatigue, brain zaps and some awful thoughts like what's the point of life etc. The next 3 days I'm kinda of back to normal but this pattern wil continue because I get another 100 tramadol.

I've been in this loop with tramadol for over a year and a half. The way I see it is that it's worth they 2 days of feeling like shit (withdrawals) so that the 9 days I'm on it im the happiest, funniest, full of energy guy that I think people like of me. You see I'm a shy guy and these drugs really bring a confidence out of me at work and in my social life.

Now, heroin. I have always wanted to try this drug. Probably just another drug to tick when you like to experiment with every kind of drug. My question is this...if I smoke some heroin will I ever get the same kinda high from codeine or tramadol again? Or will they drugs seem pitiful and not cut it after heroin? I do love the high from codeine and tramadol, Im just scared they drugs won't interest me after trying heroin. I don't want a heroin addiction, I just want to tick it of the list if you know what I mean.

Thanks for reading

 

[chantarr]

Sorry mate, heroin isnt another drug just to tick when you like to experiment. If u try it, i really really really hope that your whole world doesnt fall apart cuz im 99% sure it will, every single person i know that has tried it including me, has ruined there entire lives for it. Get ready to be kicked out of ur house, lose ur job if u have one, and if u dont steal from people get ready too cuz im sure ull have to without the job. Anyways man, good luck, if i were u id VERY much stick with the codeine and tramadol, u will never look back at those if u try h

 

[theedeadmau5]

lol if you thought codeine was the tits, then heroin will probably feel 10x better to you than busting a nut inside of a virgin. so yeah, codeine will be like taking tylenol after you start heroin. as for tramadol, it has stimulating effects so i doubt you will lose that after taking heroin since heroin has depressant effects.

 

[szuko000]

As the above poster and everyone else will say its not just something you play with because your bored or whatever. This single decision is the most important and life changing one you will ever make most likely, and you must view it like that. Once you open the door and look in there is no way to close it.

Having said that it will most likely ruin the other opiates for you because the euphoria will be more enjoyable. Odds are you won't want to take the weaker ones because they take more effort and don't provide the same feeling. You should watch your dosage on tramadol though it can cause seizures at high doses.

Should you choose to use heroin start very small it will most likely make you sick and it can make you very sick if you do too much, you can OD but more then likely you will get sick and won't be able to stay awake. Start very small because you can always do more but not less. Good luck and please seriously consider the life changing effects this single decision will have, no one is lying or exaggerating when they say it can ruin your life. It will not happen quickly you get the unique experience of "waking up" one day realizing you haven't skipped a day in 6 months and you never accomplished any of your goals. Maybe it was a fun 6 months but you did nothing, and that's when all the fun stuff happens.

 

[Drumminstoned20]

Ok , I'm not even going to give options . All ima say is don't do it . After years of using and researching different opiates ide say youde have a chance but if you get a kick from codeine ...... Heroin will be way too intense to handle and too risky addictive wise . Personally if you must ide wait untill you have several years of use and education experience before you consider it . That's one of the best ways to accidentally od . And if you did manage to buzz off it and live it wouldn't take long to grow a tolerance to such a weak drug like codeine .

 

[theedeadmau5]

i feel like if you came here first before actually doing it, then you're not ready for it. i'm with everyone else here, please reconsider. if you're getting your rocks off from tramadol and codeine then why would you want to fuck that up? you can ask every single heroin addict in the world, if they had a chance to go back and not take that first dose, they would in a heartbeat. another thing that should scare you is the withdrawal, because if you do happen to want to kick it down the road from now you are going to be in an actual living hell. it will almost be as if god is making you pay for all the times you were wasted.

during your addiction you will start losing friends, your family will no longer want to be around you, you will possibly lose your job, you will be broke, you will not eat, you will start to look sick all the time, you will age faster. and when you withdraw you will want to kill yourself and you will soon find out that the hardest thing to do in the world is staying clean. all because you wanted to "try" heroin. there is no trying this shit and just putting it down. there are some drugs like coke and opiates that you can do that with, but not this shit. i don't know you, but please, do not do it

 

[mostly-human]

It's kind of like the decision some teenagers make to experiment with smoking cigarettes; it can have surprisingly long-reaching consequences..

Most people I know that were heavy into MDMA, weed, psychedelics, even speed/meth (though to a lesser extent, meth is a pretty fucked drug) eventually got passed it and went on to live a normal life..

Once you get into heroin, there's no guarantee you're going to get a habit obviously, personally - i used heroin less than 5 or 6 times a year for a good decade before I got addicted. But fuck me, once you get addicted, you're an addict for life - even if you're clean, you're still an addict. You'll never shake that, even if you manage to kick the habit and never use again for the rest of your life, you'll still be a fucking heroin addict for life. And by that I mean, the rest of your life, every day, will be a conscious effort/decision to not score heroin.

 

[szuko000]

^ I do not agree with that last part at all. It is entirely possible to move on and never think about it again, I think the idea of "always thinking about it forever" may apply to a lot of people but not everyone. It has a lot to do with duration and frequency of usage. I fully believe its possible to get clean move away and change your life to the point where you don't think about it ever. That's not to say you won't have a sort of nostalgic reminiscing upon it but people do that about everything first love, high school (if It was fun) ect ect.

It is a good thing to add though because you never know how you will respond to it.

 

[fizzymk]

Sorry mate, heroin isnt another drug just to tick when you like to experiment. If u try it, i really really really hope that your whole world doesnt fall apart cuz im 99% sure it will, every single person i know that has tried it including me, has ruined there entire lives for it. Get ready to be kicked out of ur house, lose ur job if u have one, and if u dont steal from people get ready too cuz im sure ull have to without the job. Anyways man, good luck, if i were u id VERY much stick with the codeine and tramadol, u will never look back at those if u try h

You need to really read and re-read the quoted post here OP...all of this is dead on right, Im almost at the end of my rope now and every bit of money I get goes straight to heroin, Ive borrowed close to $500 just this week alone, and have not worked much the past week, so this will be tough to pay back, I havent done anything illegal yet, but when the time comes when I have ZERO money and ZERO chances to get any, I cannot honestly say I will stick to be a law abiding citizen.

Heroin is not something most people can keep under control and stick to purely recreational use, you WILL want it daily, the high is very good and EXTREMELY addicting, once you get a taste of it, you WILL want more, and more and more. Eventually the first thought of your day will be how I can get together enough money to cop.

If you are happy with tramadol, PLEASE stick with that, even if you have to go thru mild w/ds here and there, heroin w/ds are on another level and you dont want to experience these...suicide will seem like the only relief.

Plus, as it was already mentioned, once you start heroin, you will not want to go back to a lesser drug, especially tramadol, as that is pretty weak on the list of drugs, once you get to using heroin, you could take 20 tramadols at once and you would not feel them, once on heroin, ONLY heroin will do from then on.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Wouldn't reccomend jumping from Codiene and Tramadol to heroin. You will love it then have certain days you have set up to use it, be miserable the days you don't have it, then start making exuses to use, then get hooked. I mean, if your gonna do it, your gonna do it, but, hell, start with weaker ones before jumpin onto heroin with just Codiene and Tramadol as your opiate experience...

 

[fizzymk]

^^^Right on!! Most people start on tramadol, tylenol 3 or 4, codiene, etc, then jump to hydrocodone/ vicoden, then to percocet, roxis, oxycodone, then stronger opiate like methadone, Opana, Fent, MS Contin, etc.....THEN make the jump to the BIG H.

But if laws and regulations in the UK are anything like the US in recent years, more and more people just starting out on opiates probably dont have much choice other than H, its pretty tough and pricey to be a pain pill addict now, new laws meant to curb their abuse and diversion to the street have made finding regular pills tough, around here they used to be about 50 cents to a buck per MG, you could find roxi 15s and 30s left and right just about anywhere, but now, when they do come available, its more like 2 or 3 bucks per mg, most people around here switched to H once all these fucking laws went into effect. H is a better bang for the buck anyway.

Our state Govt is seeing though, these new laws meant to control pain pill abuse has only created a shit load of heroin addicts, so it kind of backfired imo. Im not sure what the state was thinking, I guess they thought if everyone couldnt get pain pills, they would just stop altogether LOL, Id like to know what fantasy land they are living in thinking like this!!!

 

[The Doc.]

Heroin will become priority over tramadol pretty quick yes. I'm not going to waste my time telling you not to do it because your different than everybody else in the way you know you won't get addicted

Have fun start small especially if buying pure diamorphine from a vendor its best to buy a point scale to ensure mgs. If this isn't possible use a tiny speck of dust on the peice of foil then try smoking it. Don't go snorting a big line or you may OD which can happen very easily with snorting the drug. Not to say smoking won't make you OD but it certainly is a lot harder to since your lungs can only hold so much smoke.

Keep in mind the HCL salt form of diamorphine doesn't smoke very well unless its in base form or unless you create a 50:50 ratio of caffeine powder and heroin mixed together.

 

[Screaming_Skull]

Ya, know price disccusion isn't allowed but it backfired BIG TIME in the US also. Pills have always kinda been kinda expensive, but once they became harder to get prices went up and people switched to H, or some kind of maintaince. They are making to big a hoopla over this IMO, there are always gonna be pill/opiate addicts, always have, always will be. People WILL swtich to H if they have a habbit, so I don't what the fuck the DEA or whoever is thinking, except making it harder for people who need the meds to actually get them because doctors are scared to write what the person needs...hell, if H was around my area I would have swtiched to it in a heartbeat while I was using pills everyday(it's odd it's not in the deep south...it's just pills and Meth here, sure there has gotta be a small circle of it around here though.) But anyway, kinda went off topic. Maybe look for some Dihydrocodiene instead of H, thinks it's like twice as potent as Codeine, but, really, don't jump from Codiene and Trams to fuckin H...

 

[Kid Amine]

" Probably just another drug to tick when you like to experiment with every kind of drug."

I thought that too. God damned how wrong I was with that one. If you like downers, you will love heroin: it's perfect. Then sometime later, maybe a year, maybe 5, you are taking it just to not feel like shit. and yes, it will forever ruin low power drugs like ultram and codeine. I could have a 55 gallon drum full of those things and couldnt give them away, nor eat them. that's how I view 'em now, even vicodin is worthless to me, oxycodone only good in triple digit milligram doses. Heroin will completely and permanently fuck your enjoyment of other, lesser opiates. btw, there's a very high chance of also winding up with hep C and getting a felony conviction if you decide to do heroin. please dont be an arrogant ass like I was and think this couldnt happen to me (you), read all these posts carefully, they are on point.

 

[Hecticus]

^ Codeine for a non tolerant can be just as euphoric as heroin imo. Tolerance gains rapidly with regular use and codeine becomes useless fast. Heroin has the advantage of a longer duration and different routes of administration like Rectal and especially Intravenous. I don't recommend Heroin and especially using it IV. If Tramadol still works why ruin it? Because i guarantee after a small run on gear your tolerance will sky rocket leaving tramadol in the dust, Heroin WILL become your main focus.

 

[mostly-human]

It has a lot to do with duration and frequency of usage.

Yeah, when I say addicted here, in this context, I mean once you've done 5-10 years or whatever. Not once you first form a habit. I mean, once you totally and utterly ruin your life with heroin, you're pretty fucked thereafter, you aint ever gonna forget it.

 

[DrGreenthumb]

Not everybody gets addicted to heroin on their first try, it's like saying if you try whiskey once you'll definitely become alcoholic. it doesn't do any use to keep repeating baseless propaganda. However, you've already got an addiction to similar but milder drugs, you sound more likely that most people to get addicted, are you sure you want to kick it up a notch again? Tramadol is going to be hard enough to come off without doing H too. Tramadol has SSRI anti-depressant effects too, that makes the withdrawal extra tough, it's what causes your 'brain zaps', heroin might not fully substitute for tramadol, so you could be getting yourself addicted to two similar & particularly dangerous drugs at the same time, good luck with that, you're going to need it.

Heroin isn't going to produce the same kind of feelings as tramadol either, I think you're benefiting from the SSRI effect of tramadol more than the opiate effect. You're just not going to get that same 'happy, fun, full of energy' feeling off heroin & other people certainly wont see you that way. You're more likely to get those feelings from anti-depressants (supervised by a doctor), or on a much more intense short acting level from psychedelics or empathogens. H is going to be more like codiene, but much stronger & faster acting, tramadol has some very different effects to other opiates/opiods.

If it was me, I'd do a slow taper off the tramadol, make sure it lasts so you don't get withdrawals, but be disciplined & keep taking less gradually until you can come off without withdrawal symptoms, do a healthy lifestyle (exercise, eating & sleeping properly), meditation & then psychedlics/weed (only when totally off the tramadol). I'll only use opiates for pain, there are nicer drugs, imo. Tramadol can cause potentially deadly seizures if you push it too far too, it's not something to binge on or mix with other opiates/opiods/serotonin affecting drugs.

 

[Bliss26]

There are a million reasons not to try H. Don't do it.

Top Reasons Not To Try H

1. If you can't control yourself making Tramadol last 14 days, H will be no bueno.

2. More addictive than other opiates

3. Will screw up your ability to get high on lesser opiates. This is important!! Think about those 18 blissful Tram days a month. Gonzo! Tram/ codeine will be like taking a vitamin c.

4. Will cost you $$$$, and solely you will lose your possessions

5. LE gets their panties in a wad way tighter finding H on you than codeine!

6. More chance of accidental OD than pills

7. Instead of being the funny outgoing guy at work, you'll be the obvious druggie

8. Impurities/ cuts make it way more of a risk

9. You don't graduate from tram to H. There are several other drugs that make more sense

10. It makes NO SENSE to kick tolerance into the stratosphere when you're feeling great on tram!!

 

[smackydowners]

yeahh, fuck, its really not worth the risk. you are happy now and you can get high on trams!
i wouldnt even take the advice of mocving onto dhc or oxy either you idiot! all youll do is lise your ability to feel tramadol.
i was exactly like you, using dhc as a way to make my day better. and it worked for a coupke years and then tolerance got me, id feel fuck all.
youre on thin ice at the min, mate.
DONT TAKE SMACK, ITS NOT LIKE OTHER DRUGS THAT ARE DEMONISED BY THE MEDIA, ITS REPUTATION IS 100% DESERVED!

 

[downerhead]

What can I say,everyone above already said it all and they are 100% right on.You're gonna do what you're gonna do but kiss your job,family trust,friends,happiness and self respect goodbye.Took me years to get addicted but I did .You WILL start to iv it,you will most likely get Hep C or some other bloodborne disease,and you will most likely catch a felony record.Smack isn't really a drug you can do just a little bit,once in a while.Sure, you may be able to keep it that way for a couple/few years.I did.But rest assured,it's got the whole rest of your life to get you and it will.Heroin is not a game and will fuck your life up like few other things can.There's not a day that goes by that I don't kick myself in the ass for doing it and,even after a little over 3 years off the shit I still think about it every day.You couldn't pay me to put myself through that again.If you do choose to go down that road,be prepared for life to suck in ways you never thought possible.If you think the couple of dys with no tramadol sucks,wait until you have a dope habit and no money or way to score.What's even worse is when you do something to get arrested and go to jail dope sick.You will pray for death.