i'm having fun with ridiculously low doses of 25b-nbome

[klub]

last year i've obtained 100mg of 25b-nbome hcl powder, i made bunch of 100ug blotters measuring precisely with a micropipette for my dosage trials, started with 100ug-200ug felt nothing, then i tried 400ug. 400ug dosage felt just too much for the first 2,5 hours, after that i felt my first drug induced euphoria(i didn't ever used any other drugs than tobacco alcohol and weed until that time). because that the come up was terrible and much uncomfortable, i decided to not try it again, made 700-1000ug blotters and gave nearly all to my friends whom liked it while i was having a bad trip. on the following 6 months i tried and abused some other drugs; mdma, amphetamine, cocaine, methylphenidate, ethylphenidate, methylone and spice as i remember now. and lately, i had 25-30 pcs of 100ug 25b blotters left from before, i decided to give them a go.

weirdly, single buccal dose of 100ug 25b was really fun, i felt too good, mdma like empathogen feeling with less speed. i danced, rolled, my pupils dilated. after 6 hours, i had to ate, food was f'ing delicious, i kept swearing to the cooker while eating because he made it so delicious. then i spaced out some more listening to some good music, then i slept while effects of the drug were still on. no comedown or whatsoever. so i started eating those blotters every friday-saturday night, with a single dose of 100ug of course, i didn't ever redose in a day. intensity of effects started diminishing like in four weeks, but it still works, better than nothing. just i don't get overexcited every time. i only got hangovers when i drink too much, and nothing else. even there have been times i got so much in the mood, i couldn't make my friends believe i wasn't rolling on E.

you might call all these placebo, as i also think some of them were. but i got pretty much obvious non-placebo light visual distortions, intense feelings at touching things/people, dancing quality of light mdma dose and pretty much good headspace. these were not placebo.

during my synthetic drug life, the only drug i went overboard was ethylphenidate, i remember consuming total of 0,5g in a single night, snorted. i never took a whole e pill, because even half a pill has been more than enough for me time to time. my tolerance with those things are pretty low.

and i'm a 192cm 76kg pretty healthy male now, was 85kg one year ago, got down to 70kg during ethylphenidate abuse, then my eph stock finished, started eating properly and exercising.

what i want to know is, does anybody out there play with such small doses, am i the only one? please share your experiences.

 

[StreetHalo91]

I've never tried such low doses of 25b but it doesn't surprise me that it's possible to gain pleasure from them, it's such a powerful chemical... When NBOMe was legal here the vendor we used to buy tabs from sold them dosed at 1.2mg, despite selling other NBOMe tabs at about half that dose. We thought at first this was because 25b wasn't as potent as the other NBOMes so the doses needed to be higher, til we got round to trying the 25b tabs for the first time and were almost overwhelmed by how strong they were. Even taking half a tab at a time the experience could still be fairly intense (though a bit more manageable). I read somewhere that one of the earliest batches of 25b made available was cut with something that reduced it's potency so vendors increased the dosage based on this, then when purer 25b batches were made the average tab dosage stayed the same. I don't have a source for that so it could be bollocks, but it would definitely explain a lot... I've had a lot of trips on 25c tabs dosed at 300ug that, though relatively milder, were definitely psychedelic and a lot of fun, and I reckon even lower doses of it would be able to give enjoyable effects, I'm sure 25b would be similar. Those 1.2mg tabs though... took one and a half once (only once) and it was one of the craziest psychedelic experiences I've ever had, hallucinating things that weren't there and generally just out of my mind. Taking lower doses was definitely more fun. NBOMes at lower doses always reminded me a little bit more of MD type drugs in terms of feel and headspace, just with rainbow halos all over the place lol, at higher doses the feel was completely different...

 

[zn13bt]

^ Yeah, there was an old batch of 25B going around that was cut 50/50 with an inert substance (maltrose?). Don't really know why, since it's not like 1.2mg is any easier to measure than 600ug

OP: Have you tried just swallowing your blotters? Even though it's commonly believed that NBOMes are inactive orally, a few of us here have tried 25I and 25C this way and had it work at similar doses to sublingual or buccal. Since you measured your doses yourself any information you could provide would be very helpful.

Your low-dose 25B trips do sound similar to what I get with about 500ug of 25I - a nice mood lift and empathogenic body feel, and some sparkly visuals here and there but nothing too crazy.

 

[klub]

yeah for the thing about that batch, 1000ug blotters i made were crazy ass insane, maybe it was the later purer batch, i trust my vendor and he says 98%. i also had 25i, expecting a 500ug dose of it was equal to 1000ug 25b, later i saw it wasn't. but the only visuals i had throughout my life was from 3x500ug 25i blotters taken over a six hour period. i got some mirrored tribal patterns all over my vision at the +9:00... that was weird but it's possible bec i was on comedown from a party which i dosed pretty fair amounts of mdma+amphetamine+methylphendate (+alcohol+tobacco+weed+spice+cocaine in little amounts). and the visuals just lasted like 30 minutes, no psychedelic feeling.

that MDxx feeling and halos around every light is simply amazing, that baseline 100ug 25b trip got me out of my "rolling a pill every weekend" habit, i was just fine and didnt need more. music always felt great at the club i frequent, really pleasant head space. i recommed this to everyone who are able to dose their own tabs.

about swallowing blotters, i thought of that but in a REALLY wrong way, as i knew at that time nbome's potencies dropped by 16x and i was expecting of eating 5-6 500ug 25i blotters and having a light trip. i'm glad i didn't try it. but i plan dosing reasonable amounts orally on 25c now, which i plan to have in near future, i'll be happy to share information on this. maybe on 25i too but it just made me feel sick whenever i tried it sober, so i don't like it and don't want to waste my time on it.

about handling pure nbome powder, i always frigtened about mistakingly being dosed by it's dusts in air, i used gas masks thorugh out the whole process of opening the package and making a homogenous solution of it. at the first try i was reckless and got a tiny speckle of the solution i was making in my eye, 25b burns your eyes pretty wild, so don't even try ocular dosing. take all the unnecessary cautions when handling pure nbome, since a single accident could cost your life. or do it completely unprotected and have iv lorazepam somewhere easily accessible. better have both.

on the 25c thing, is it more sociable and more of a club drug compared to 25b? i plan on using it this way. i want to be able to behave properly or like just a little drunk.

 

[pupnik]

i play with quarter blotters pretty regularly
they are from 200 to 400 mics
25bnboh is my fave from 25c and 25i (when I ordered 25i I got some free samples of 25b)
but I like them all at 1/4 blotter dose range

so that's pretty close to your 100.

i tried higher but was too overcome with body sensations that I don't like. (such as gut wanting to squeeze out everything and twitchy)

 

[trogere]

Low doses of psychedelics are fun. I really like taking like 5mgs of 4-Aco-DMT and go outside enjoying the nature.

 

[StreetHalo91]

on the 25c thing, is it more sociable and more of a club drug compared to 25b? i plan on using it this way. i want to be able to behave properly or like just a little drunk.

I always preferred 25c for clubbing/partying as to me it feels a bit more euphoric, the headspace less confusing and the visuals a bit less intense (not that I don't like visuals or anything but when I'm out at some nutty jungle rave or whatever I don't want to feel too overwhelmed. As long as you're comfortable with the dose level before you take it out somewhere then socialising on it's fine in my experience. I know a lot of people on Bluelight don't like NBOMe (and I understand why), but I miss 25c being legal here, could feel so magical at the right level. The NBOH version was okay but nowhere near as fun.

 

[Xorkoth]

The chloro analogues in general seem quite special, for example DOC is my favorite drug. I've tried DOB, DOC, DOI, DOM, and DOT, and none of them even approaches DOC in overall perfection. I'd say if I ever try an NBX, I will try 25C-NBOMe.

 

[jason7]

OP: Have you tried just swallowing your blotters? Even though it's commonly believed that NBOMes are inactive orally, a few of us here have tried 25I and 25C this way and had it work at similar doses to sublingual or buccal. Since you measured your doses yourself any information you could provide would be very helpful.

I've read a few people saying that NBOMes do have effects when taken orally and I'm thinking that what's happening here is that the blotters are complexed and the complexing agent is allowing the NBOMe to absorb right through the stomach lining. I say that because I know for a fact that the pure powder has no effect whatsoever orally. I tried it myself a couple times and nothing. The only difference would be the lack of complexing agent. Since it's "complexed", the NBOMe must actually be bound to the complexing agent, so it would stay complexed whether it's on your gum or in your stomach and the NBOMe part probably doesn't get deactivated by enzymes until it leaves the stomach and goes into the intestines. Odds are that it would be only partially absorbed through the stomach though, since there would be a large amount of liquid in there unlike on your gums, but for all I know it may even be all absorbed. Maybe people just thought it would be inactive orally so they never swallowed the blotters right away, not realizing that complexed NBOMe is much more absorbable than pure.

Maybe this is why people can pass off NBOMes as acid. Maybe people really are getting effects even when swallowing the blotters right away. You would think that somebody would have noticed that before but maybe not. Few people would have swallowed the blotters right away because they all have been told that it would be inactive and they didn't want to waste it. Somebody should do a test to tell us for sure if blotters work when swallowed right away. Maybe they really do. Not do it yourself blotters with no complexing agent though. It would have to be the commercial ones. I never had any NBOMe blotters so I really don't know. I only had the pure powder, which I dissolved in alcohol and a little water and mixed with 40x as much inositol as a carrier, dried the mixture and snorted the powder or put it under my tongue. Worked great that way but completely inactive orally.

 

[klub]

i tried higher but was too overcome with body sensations that I don't like. (such as gut wanting to squeeze out everything and twitchy)

Have your girl with you in case you gut to squeeze, i bet i would've been much fun for both of you

edit: i indeed like that feeling on 25b, it's not gut wanting but it feels nice to grab things, touch fine linens/fabrics, and playing foosball is really fun, you constantly feel great because you're squeezing the handles tightly with a reason when you're around with people. not just some freak gone nuts and squeezing things.

I always preferred 25c for clubbing/partying as to me it feels a bit more euphoric, the headspace less confusing and the visuals a bit less intense (not that I don't like visuals or anything but when I'm out at some nutty jungle rave or whatever I don't want to feel too overwhelmed.

that's the exact thing i wanted, wonder if it will work as same on me.

I've read a few people saying that NBOMes do have effects when taken orally and I'm thinking that what's happening here is that the blotters are complexed and the complexing agent is allowing the NBOMe to absorb right through the stomach lining. I say that because I know for a fact that the pure powder has no effect whatsoever orally. I tried it myself a couple times and nothing. The only difference would be the lack of complexing agent. Since it's "complexed", the NBOMe must actually be bound to the complexing agent, so it would stay complexed whether it's on your gum or in your stomach and the NBOMe part probably doesn't get deactivated by enzymes until it leaves the stomach and goes into the intestines. Odds are that it would be only partially absorbed through the stomach though, since there would be a large amount of liquid in there unlike on your gums, but for all I know it may even be all absorbed. Maybe people just thought it would be inactive orally so they never swallowed the blotters right away, not realizing that complexed NBOMe is much more absorbable than pure.

Maybe this is why people can pass off NBOMes as acid. Maybe people really are getting effects even when swallowing the blotters right away. You would think that somebody would have noticed that before but maybe not. Few people would have swallowed the blotters right away because they all have been told that it would be inactive and they didn't want to waste it. Somebody should do a test to tell us for sure if blotters work when swallowed right away. Maybe they really do. Not do it yourself blotters with no complexing agent though. It would have to be the commercial ones. I never had any NBOMe blotters so I really don't know. I only had the pure powder, which I dissolved in alcohol and a little water and mixed with 40x as much inositol as a carrier, dried the mixture and snorted the powder or put it under my tongue. Worked great that way but completely inactive orally.

i'm not sure about that, correct me if i'm wrong, hpbcd complexes release the drug trapped inside when it encounters with heat/water, so even if complexing nbomes increase oral bioavailablity it wouldn't be too much, only a little bit from a small part of the molecules meet stomach lining before they release the nbome molecule inside to stomach fluid.

maybe if you take NBOMe HCl's on empty stomach, you might get a fair amount absorbed through mucosa before the enzymes are produced and released into the stomach fluid.

now i got another weird idea, could we make properly dosed NBOMe tablets with such inhibitors that block enzymes inside stomach which break up the NBOMe structure? maybe blocking the enzymes for only a limited time until like a 60% of the drug absorbed(around a hour is fine i guess) may help both absorption of NBOME HCl through the stomach and not fuck up the gastric system to be able to ingest what you eat during tripping, this is important cause i like to eat on nbome's.

 

[StreetHalo91]

that's the exact thing i wanted, wonder if it will work as same on me.

I hope so! All my mates who've tried it like this have had positive results with both NBOMe and the NBOH versions, just make sure not to dose too high (you'll probs still have fun but dancing/socialising will become a lot more difficult lol). Especially sick in proper clubs with big soundsystems and banging tunes, music appreciation through the roof.

 

[Xorkoth]

I've read a few people saying that NBOMes do have effects when taken orally and I'm thinking that what's happening here is that the blotters are complexed and the complexing agent is allowing the NBOMe to absorb right through the stomach lining. I say that because I know for a fact that the pure powder has no effect whatsoever orally. I tried it myself a couple times and nothing. The only difference would be the lack of complexing agent. Since it's "complexed", the NBOMe must actually be bound to the complexing agent, so it would stay complexed whether it's on your gum or in your stomach and the NBOMe part probably doesn't get deactivated by enzymes until it leaves the stomach and goes into the intestines. Odds are that it would be only partially absorbed through the stomach though, since there would be a large amount of liquid in there unlike on your gums, but for all I know it may even be all absorbed. Maybe people just thought it would be inactive orally so they never swallowed the blotters right away, not realizing that complexed NBOMe is much more absorbable than pure.

Maybe this is why people can pass off NBOMes as acid. Maybe people really are getting effects even when swallowing the blotters right away. You would think that somebody would have noticed that before but maybe not. Few people would have swallowed the blotters right away because they all have been told that it would be inactive and they didn't want to waste it. Somebody should do a test to tell us for sure if blotters work when swallowed right away. Maybe they really do. Not do it yourself blotters with no complexing agent though. It would have to be the commercial ones. I never had any NBOMe blotters so I really don't know. I only had the pure powder, which I dissolved in alcohol and a little water and mixed with 40x as much inositol as a carrier, dried the mixture and snorted the powder or put it under my tongue. Worked great that way but completely inactive orally.

There is actually a thread in here somewhere where people experimented with oral dosing of NBOMes, I believe people even tried the pure powder, and nearly everyone who tried found the effects similar to sublingual, much to all of our surprise.

 

[zn13bt]

^ Yeah, I'm one of those people. I've been using pure powder, not complexed blotters. I have no idea why it would work for me and not for jason7.

 

[jason7]

^ Yeah, I'm one of those people. I've been using pure powder, not complexed blotters. I have no idea why it would work for me and not for jason7.

I don't know, I took a pretty solid dose of 25c orally and felt nothing whatsoever. Later I tried injecting some into an enteric coated fish oil capsule to see if it would work by bypassing the stomach and again I felt nothing, though it's possible that the capsule leaked and came apart in my stomach from the needle hole I made in it. Maybe people have different metabolisms or something and it works on some people and not others. I really felt absolutely no effects. I would think that if you made it into tablets or capsules with a lot of complexing agent that it might absorb through the stomach though.

I did find the thread about oral NBOMes http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/667868-NBOMe-oral-activity-experiment?highlight=oral+nbome but it starts out with a bunch of posts where people got no effects and then later a couple where they did. So that didn't clear much up. One of the active ones involved an NBoh so maybe they are orally active, but the same post also mentioned 25i, though he didn't say NBOMe or NBoh but presumably it would have been NBOMe.

 

[zn13bt]

This morning I woke up and took 400ug on an empty stomach of a 25B solution I made a few months ago (from powder, not complexed, no blotters involved here). About an hour later I started to notice a few body tingles, at which point I started eating some breakfast (just a bowl of cereal and a glass of grape juice, nothing too heavy). Then over the following hour the tingles became more prevalent, there was plenty of gut activity (had to go poo three times), and colors became more vivid. It's definitely active orally, for me at least.

Please note that I did not take any special precautions to enhance bioavailability or bypass enzymatic action in the stomach or whatever. All I did was measure out a liquid dose and swallow it. This is my third oral dosing experiment with NBOMes (the other two were with 25I) and the main difference I can detect from buccal dosing is that it takes about 2-3 times as long for first effects to appear. (Well, and also I don't have that nasty metallic numbing taste lingering in my mouth to deal with, not that I miss that!) It takes at least an hour for any effects to first manifest and another hour for them to fully develop, which is in line with oral doses of other phenethylamines and suggests that absorption through the intestines and first-pass metabolism through the liver is indeed taking place, and does not significantly inactivate the NBOMe molecule despite all speculation to the contrary.

 

[Vlao]

I recently tried out about a third of a blotter of my 25b/25i combo blotters (600/800ug, if I recall correctly) after having had full ones. I was out on a field about to watch the sun set with friends when I first took it but everybody ended up leaving early that day, leaving me alone wandering around the streets tripping slightly at night which was pretty freaky, even though it was a small dose. I got home and, with a definite disease going on, tried to overwhelm the fear with positive vibes. An hour of listening to of Montreal, closing the wardrobe (because a towel looked like a witch) and three Shrek films later, I went to sleep feeling content at 6am, the NBOMes having worn off. I'm a general lightweight so even that third of a blotter probably impacted me more than it should have, but small-medium doses of NBOMe are definitely preferable to larger ones in my opinion, my bodyload with larger ones makes me feel really uncomfortable and puts me in a bad headspace.

 

[klub]

yeah when i first had my 400ug dose of 25b i wasn't able to bear it, i had only ligh visuals of tracers but i felt really anxious and sick. by the way it was my first ever phenethylamine exprience, even before mdma or amphetamine, i only had cocaine and weed before it.

i'm on 125ug of 25i right now because i ran out of my 100ug 25b blotters, also with mild amount of alcohol, 3-4 vodka drinks. it doesn't feel anywhere near 25b, i feel good but with no body energy, i wasn't able to dance well, only wanted to sit-lie maybe sleep. i also had larger doses of 25i(1000ug-1500ug) but they made me only to need more lying and sleeping, i really don't know why. i didn't ever get that trippy high on 25i, but only some light visuals, as i told before. it just doesn't hit. even thought lots of my friends like 25i and i supply them with it a lot. i prefer a more 25b'ish high and some speed on top of it. that's why i'm interested on 25c right now. some of you might just say have some clean mdma, but 25x's are FAR more cheaper and effective at lower doses and don't have much hangover, they are cleaner in my opinion. i'd also like having fine ecstasy pills then bear it's comedown but for doing it i really need a good party of friends who all gonna have good time with me.

 

[Vlao]

yeah when i first had my 400ug dose of 25b i wasn't able to bear it, i had only ligh visuals of tracers but i felt really anxious and sick. by the way it was my first ever phenethylamine exprience, even before mdma or amphetamine, i only had cocaine and weed before it.

All of my NBOMe experiences have been after LSD, so I had some psychedelic experience. My acid trip (~250ug on my ~9st body) was far stronger but everything was so beautiful, this childlike feeling of discovery pervaded everything in which it felt like every stimulus was entirely new, I found myself eating salad and an entire container of pate out of excitement. Because of this intense enjoyment, when taking NBOMes I always used that as a benchmark and I think that made me enjoy it less. The second time I used NBOMes, I saw it as its own chemical and I got far more into it that time, though the anxiety you mentioned and an uncomfortable bodyload which felt like my insides were collapsing under strain put me into what is far from a great mindframe for it anyway. Smaller doses meant less of that discomfort. I'm yet to strictly 'microdose', but I'll give it a shot this week and say how it goes.