Bupe I'm An Idiot, Please Help (Sublingual Dissolve Question)

[ksralyv2mch]

I have recently taken a 2mg suboxone strip 26 hours from my last shot of heroin and I put it under my tongue (I was nauseated because that is one of my worse w/d symptoms) and my saliva was building up thickly and rapidly and I swallowed a lot during the process, tasting the distinct suboxone flavor. After it dissolved completely I heard you should swish your saliva around your mouth for like 10-15 minutes?! I tried this but after 1 minutes I was DROWNING in my saliva and afraid to swallow the spit ocean in my mouth for fear of puking. I kept it in for maybe 2 minutes and swallowed it and then I just had the tiny remainder of the taste in my mouth.

Now was my technique flawed? Cause I got no relief what so ever, and infact later (1 hour to be exact) I was waiting for my dope man with money, still sick except my anxiety was down cause I Was getting a bunch of heroin, and I shot up a gram and no tingles but all my withdrawals were gone and I was on a very very very very nice cloud... a very nice one and I almost got into a car accident on the way home and slept the rest of the day away (I acctually puked from being so high which hasn't happened in a long time and I puked up a bunch of orange suboxone flavored bile... so I assume I swallowed a majority of the suboxone that's why it didn't block it and it didn't help? If I gave my self cotton mouth before taking the suboxone would that help? Can anyone give me any tips, please?

Thank you

 

[oxlong27]

Some people take a couple of consecutive doses for the blocking effect to kick in. And depending on the severity of your dope habit it may take a week or so to start getting complete relief from the suboxone. Hang in there

 

[Johno88]

You really want to keep it in your mouth for at least 10 mins. Of course a gram will get over that no problems so no surprise there. If you want to stop you would of been better to have another 1-2mg of sub instead of the H. It should of held you then. Stick with it and good luck.

 

[dirzted]

This is a common problem, kinda a bad piece of advice for someone just getting on maintenance, but try just dissolving the strip in water, and putting the solution under your tongue. The solution will have a much, much faster dissolve time than the film itself (2-3 min tops) and is easier to keep under the tongue (for me at least).

Try getting your mouth as dry as possible before doing this, and tilt your head back without swallowing to drain the excess saliva after it's been in there for a little while.

I had this same problem and this was what has worked the best. I would also suggest waiting as LONG as possible to take a sub after stopping dope, although 26 hours is probably enough since you seemed very sick at that point, you can never be too cautious with precipitated withdrawals.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

Here is my question.. if, from what I've read, it takes 2-3 days to "stabilize" on bupe and you feel bad for those days, why not just kick CT? Is there no way to do a quick taper with subs?? What about shooting suboxone? I only have 2 2mg strips and one 8mg strip so I need to use it sparringly and as much of a taper as possible (I was thinking starting with 2mg under the tongue then injecting ~1mg for the full bio-availability, I know this is not an advisable but IDC I want off the dope and I'll take the risk, I'm a skilled IV user and it'd only be at the beginning that one time.)

 

[Zerwas]

If you want of the dope then IV is generally a massive step back. Just take the Subs as advised with the tips given here because they last longer that way and the blood-plasma-level will be more steady which is also much better for tapering.

Another fact is the Naloxone. I am not sure about this but it was added to the Buprenorphine to prevent this form of abuse and you do not want the naloxone to be active if you IV. (correct me if I am wrong here)

Also IVing things that are not made for that ROA has always big risks by itself.

So if you really want to get clean, use them sublingual and do a taper. Everything else is contraproductive to your goal.

€: There was another thread about the problems of sublingual administration, saliva etc. I do not find it now but there were more tips like brushing your teeth and using mouthwash before applying the Subs to increase the absorption. If I find it, I'll link it for you.

 

[DuckieMan]

I used to IV my sub strips because I have over active saliva glands, when that orange would go in my mouth I would instantly flood so much my cheeks would be puffy in a minute, I would sit there like a chipmunk trying to wait for the sub to dissolve, in total I would try and leave it in my mouth for 30-45 minutes including an attempt to swish. With this method I was having to use a whole strip for any relief. My habit was about 2-4 grams of h a day. Then I tried IV and was able to just do about 1 mg a day sometimes twice a day depending on craving. When you swallow the saliva it barely has any effect, also IV suboxone the bupe still has a higher binding affinity sp they add the naloxone for no reason other than fear.

 

[pill_billy]

kinda a bad piece of advice for someone just getting on maintenance,

it doesnt sound like hes getting em from the doc cause they would of told him how to take them and he wouldnt of this is how i heard your suspose to take em...

My habit was about 2-4 grams of h a day.

2-4 Gs a day?? really?? that has to be some fucking awful dope... at my worst i was doing between .5-1 g a day and got some amazing shit one day and fell out off of a shot of .1 (and i know it was only .1 cause the fucking cops took and weighed the rest and charged me having .9, which was to my susprise somehow only a misdeminor) havnt gone to court yet for it, kinda hoping they test the purity and let my lawyer know....

 

[DuckieMan]

Some of us do get to that point... I was doing 2-4gs a day, and it wasn't shit dope. Camden NJ dope. But before I switched to h I was doing 30-50 30s a day and my tolerance only became more switching to h. The guy I was getting 30s from was doing 40-50 80s a day, I would watch him swallow 10 at a time.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

40-50 80mg OxyContin? A day? How the hell do you even get that many...


So Duckieman since you seem experienced in it, what was the safest route and effective way of IVing the suboxone strips? For harm reduction reasons, did you heat up the water the way you would a heroin shot? How many times did you filter it? Plz help and thank you! We seem to have a similar problem cause I squirrel up too even when I don't have suboxone I have to keep spitting or I'll Throw up bile and dry heave hardcore

 

[DuckieMan]

40-50 80mg OxyContin? A day? How the hell do you even get that many...


So Duckieman since you seem experienced in it, what was the safest route and effective way of IVing the suboxone strips? For harm reduction reasons, did you heat up the water the way you would a heroin shot? How many times did you filter it? Plz help and thank you! We seem to have a similar problem cause I squirrel up too even when I don't have suboxone I have to keep spitting or I'll Throw up bile and dry heave hardcore

He would doctor shop like all hell, he had like 8 people going to 4 different doctors. I wish I had micron filters when I did, but I just dissolved in water let it sit a bit and filtered 5-6 times through tight cotton. I used about 80 8mg strips this way using at most 2mg a day. Had my main vein I liked get a bit hard near the end, but it went back to normal when I gave it a break, never any issues other than that. I'm sure most wont recommend it but sublingual was just too tricky and ineffective for me, especially if I had to use one before work, IV was a lot faster, quicker onset when sick, and didn't need much compared to sublingual.

Since its just a couple you have, tight cotton should be fine. If you do get more id suggest micron filters.

 

[pill_billy]

40-50 80mg OxyContin? A day? How the hell do you even get that many...


So Duckieman since you seem experienced in it, what was the safest route and effective way of IVing the suboxone strips? For harm reduction reasons, did you heat up the water the way you would a heroin shot? How many times did you filter it? Plz help and thank you! We seem to have a similar problem cause I squirrel up too even when I don't have suboxone I have to keep spitting or I'll Throw up bile and dry heave hardcore

yea how 40-50 80s wouldnt kill you is beyond me.... but anyways you can IV sub films... and if your put heat to it will gel up... from my experiences w subs (only 2-3) just throw it in the spoon put water to it and let it sit for about 5 mins then mix it up and filter it REALLY good.... and if you are at all WDing do not do it.... i did that once and thought i was going to die, my eyes got yellow and shit it was just not good.... but if your over the WDs you will get a nice lil buzz from it but dont do to much

 

[DuckieMan]

yea how 40-50 80s wouldnt kill you is beyond me.... but anyways you can IV sub films... and if your put heat to it will gel up... from my experiences w subs (only 2-3) just throw it in the spoon put water to it and let it sit for about 5 mins then mix it up and filter it REALLY good.... and if you are at all WDing do not do it.... i did that once and thought i was going to die, my eyes got yellow and shit it was just not good.... but if your over the WDs you will get a nice lil buzz from it but dont do to much

Tolerance never stops building, most people can't support a habit like that, but there's those of us that were able to lol. He wouldn't only do that many 80s he was also doing multiple 10 mg percs also added. At that time I was just starting and an 80 would destroy me, I also had no clue how he lived doing that much oxy and soap. But he was 45 and looked like he was in his 70s so I'm sure it was very bad for him.

Yellow in the eyes usually means.liver failure... Shouldn't normally happen when IV bupe. The nice thing about IV bupe is if you do go in to precipitated withdrawal is it doesn't last nearly as long as if you did it sublingual.

 

[dirzted]

Ya, IV bupe may have benefits for solely the perception of it's effects, and nothing else. There is talc, and many other horrible-for-your-veins fillers in the pill that can only be stopped by using a .2nm micron filter. IV'ing any formulation presents a risk for SERIOUS vascular damage as well as other possible negative complications. Even if it's a bitch to put them under your tongue (which there are ways around and really is not a good excuse to IV them) at the very LEAST just SNORT THEM.

 

[Kid Amine]

Yes, I have a tip: dont drive high. It's extremely reckless and if you want to fuck up your life, that's fine, dont directly fuck up a complete stranger's life.

eta: yes, you can do a quick taper with subs, one 8mg strip is sufficient to last 4-9 days

 

[ksralyv2mch]

yea how 40-50 80s wouldnt kill you is beyond me.... but anyways you can IV sub films... and if your put heat to it will gel up... from my experiences w subs (only 2-3) just throw it in the spoon put water to it and let it sit for about 5 mins then mix it up and filter it REALLY good.... and if you are at all WDing do not do it.... i did that once and thought i was going to die, my eyes got yellow and shit it was just not good.... but if your over the WDs you will get a nice lil buzz from it but dont do to much

What do you mean dont do this while WDing???? that is the only reason I am doing this! lol To kick heroin, derr

Ya, IV bupe may have benefits for solely the perception of it's effects, and nothing else. There is talc, and many other horrible-for-your-veins fillers in the pill that can only be stopped by using a .2nm micron filter. IV'ing any formulation presents a risk for SERIOUS vascular damage as well as other possible negative complications. Even if it's a bitch to put them under your tongue (which there are ways around and really is not a good excuse to IV them) at the very LEAST just SNORT THEM.

Well it's the strips, not the pill so there isn't nearly as much fillers, I imagine. I have a high tolerance and only one 8mg strip and two 2mg strips. I have to make these work for a taper or I have to go through the BS detox programs they have here, and I'd rather stay at home...

 

[dirzted]

What do you mean dont do this while WDing???? that is the only reason I am doing this! lol To kick heroin, derr



Well it's the strips, not the pill so there isn't nearly as much fillers, I imagine. I have a high tolerance and only one 8mg strip and two 2mg strips. I have to make these work for a taper or I have to go through the BS detox programs they have here, and I'd rather stay at home...

First, he means don't do it UNTIL you are actually in withdrawal, otherwise you risk going into precipitated withdrawal.
Secondly, yes, by mass, there may be a higher buprenorphine to filler ratio than other formulations, but it does NOT matter, the filler is enough to do the same amount of damage.