Meth If you could eliminate one negative effect from meth what would you pick

[jsinger]

For me it’s the hyperthermia and it ties into the paranoia issues sorda
When im overheated and sweating unnaturally heavy and either at work or anywhere public I get so damn self conscious about it. I don’t even know the answer why for sure. Other tweakers will know immediately along with pry every one else. I feel eyes are all on me then I notice my tensed muscles movement and inactivity to stay still and i wanna run the fuck away but I refuse to let the negativity win and keep fresh bandannas to help along with changes of clothes.
It seems to have a life on its own and can be pleasantly surprised or disappointed bc the opposite happens. Today has been paticularly bad with huge beeds of sweat rolling off me since yesterday. I do have an impressively potent batch and good chances are its strictly from the non stop energy source.

 

[Electrum1]

I would eliminate the delusions of targeted cia artificial intelligence paranoia and the inflated belief of self importance, then people could just enjoy it in theory

 

[Electrum1]

Shit, that was two things, not one

 

[jsinger]

I would eliminate the delusions of targeted cia artificial intelligence paranoia and the inflated belief of self importance, then people could just enjoy it in theory

Thankfully I’ve only experienced that delusion once where I was convinced the cable van was dea watching me.
However the sweating issue only bothers me due to thinking everyone is watching me and casting negative judgement calling me a junky. So on the same page sorda. Ive always had pride to never get seriously spun and lose my grip on reality and when the shadow people were presenting themselves I thoroughly enjoyed the visuals. Random strangers in public who unless completely squared im sure can tell and that has no impact on me whatsoever
Yet it’s nearing full blown panic attacks.
I’m basically ready to mail it in at this point bc all my surprises are now bad. Irreversible brain damage is undeniable.
Any 20 year plus methamphetamine users out here hoo can share some experiences on issues where you have issues deciphering something being real or imagined?

 

[Aj2theMax1]

I would definitely do away with that subtle but convincing notion that I can put the world off for another few minutes... It won't make a difference, or nothing's really going on... What's another few minutes....
It's the beginning of lots of procrastination.
Yup

 

[Keif' Richards]

That's an interesting question. I hate to sound like a know-it-all, but the issue is more complex than that. We're talking about certain primary factors associated with Methamphetamine usage. These often lead to secondary symptoms and tertiary symptoms and so on. Someone might say "I wish we could eliminate Methamphetamine-Associated Dental Issues (Meth Mouth)" and that would be a good suggestion. The dental problems though are a result of several of these progressive mechanisms. Methamphetamine causes the release of these neurotransmitters making you high. This state of elevated neurotransmitter presence/activity leads to a quickening of vital functions like pulse, respiratory rate and blood pressure. This elevation leads to dehydration. Dehydration robs your mouth of its front-line defender, saliva. This leads to the rapid decay of the teeth, gums and oral mucosa.

Going even further, Methamphetamine-induced dehydration/malnutrition commonly causes a desire for sweetened drinks like soda, sports drinks or what have you. This all combines to cause the final problem of Meth Mouth, but all of these other symptoms leading up to Meth Mouth are negative and cause their own problems.

I think it's a cool idea for Drug Culture. I think these things are too interconnected to pick one with its own special reason for being picked.

 

[jsinger]

That's an interesting question. I hate to sound like a know-it-all, but the issue is more complex than that. We're talking about certain primary factors associated with Methamphetamine usage. These often lead to secondary symptoms and tertiary symptoms and so on. Someone might say "I wish we could eliminate Methamphetamine-Associated Dental Issues (Meth Mouth)" and that would be a good suggestion. The dental problems though are a result of several of these progressive mechanisms. Methamphetamine causes the release of these neurotransmitters making you high. This state of elevated neurotransmitter presence/activity leads to a quickening of vital functions like pulse, respiratory rate and blood pressure. This elevation leads to dehydration. Dehydration robs your mouth of its front-line defender, saliva. This leads to the rapid decay of the teeth, gums and oral mucosa.

Going even further, Methamphetamine-induced dehydration/malnutrition commonly causes a desire for sweetened drinks like soda, sports drinks or what have you. This all combines to cause the final problem of Meth Mouth, but all of these other symptoms leading up to Meth Mouth are negative and cause their own problems.

I think it's a cool idea for Drug Culture. I think these things are too interconnected to pick one with its own special reason for being picked.

Definitely true and don’t feel bad for being well read on the subject. Completely hypothetical and an impossible thing to accomplish without all kinds of scientific research going into it. My issue with the sweating profusely is inter connected to increased paranoia and self absorbed thinking that all eyes are on me. Meth isnt the cause its inherently human trait to not show weekness and to feel like the center of attention and it’s so deeply ingrained we dont even consider it. Meth however creates an obvious reason for the heightened self awareness and due to the hatred of the drug culture we would prefer to keep our shit under wraps. I’m outting myself and consequently disowned by my own family and it hurts too however im fed up on shame bc I choose to use despite the risks. It’s my life and I’m living it the way it works best for me and unfortunately addicts and not even all addicts understand what I mean about the powerful responses we have towards shame and guilt

 

[Jabberwocky]

Paranoia. Delusions.

 

[unodelacosa]

I hate to sound like a know-it-all,

Nah, don't sweat it; you don't come across that way in my opinion

Meth Mouth … Dehydration robs your mouth of its front-line defender, saliva. This leads to the rapid decay of the teeth, gums and oral mucosa.

Dehydration is only one of many factors, the biggest of which is lifestyle / poor hygiene / neglecting to brush one's teeth. There are OTC products that can address dry mouth. And if that alone were enough to ruin teeth, every stoner across the country would be missing teeth and whatnot bc weed defs gives cottonmouth, too. Pot heads remember to brush their teeth. Meth is somewhat disinhibiting though, and ppl who are bad at doing meth allow themselves to become too distracted to remember to brush their teeth. That's a lifestyle habit that—once one is aware of it—is easily fixed or avoided altogether.

To your point though, dry mouth is a factor along with malnutrition, poor hygiene, and meth vapor's acidic nature and heat. Some suggestions: if you're vaporizing meth, I recommend using a small water pipe. The water provides a bit of filtration from the acidity and heat. After each hit, you should drink water to hydrate and wash away any acidity. Finally, set an alarm on your phone to remind yourself to brush at least twice, daily. Also, don't go overboard cleaning, just do your normal brushing and flossing and perhaps swish some Biotene around to combat cottonmouth.

Going even further, Methamphetamine-induced dehydration/malnutrition commonly causes a desire for sweetened drinks like soda, sports drinks or what have you.

Again, the same thing would apply to stoners if this were accurate. I'm telling you; it's lifestyle habits.

Personally, I wish meth did not eventually induce psychosis in certain individuals as it does. It's not everyone, and given a large enough dose, almost anyone can be thrown into an overexcited delirium. But some people's threshold is regrettably low for this reaction, and it's a shame since those people seem to be the ones who particularly become infatuated with this drug.

@jsinger Re:

"however im fed up on shame bc I choose to use despite the risks. It’s my life and I’m living it the way it works best for me and unfortunately addicts and not even all addicts understand what I mean about the powerful responses we have towards shame and guilt"

I feel you on this. I, too, reject feeling ashamed for using meth. It's not my fault other people suck at using or if they've never used it, they make ignorant assumptions about the drug, and it's hard to combat that. Consequently I have to sometimes be discriminating with whom I share this information. I won't simply use in front of anyone, but that has more to do with not making others feel uncomfortable. I'm otherwise not ashamed and will indeed puff in front of someone with an open mind even if they don't themselves use it.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

The stimulation

 

[jsinger]

Nah, don't sweat it; you don't come across that way in my opinion


Dehydration is only one of many factors, the biggest of which is lifestyle / poor hygiene / neglecting to brush one's teeth. There are OTC products that can address dry mouth. And if that alone were enough to ruin teeth, every stoner across the country would be missing teeth and whatnot bc weed defs gives cottonmouth, too. Pot heads remember to brush their teeth. Meth is somewhat disinhibiting though, and ppl who are bad at doing meth allow themselves to become too distracted to remember to brush their teeth. That's a lifestyle habit that—once one is aware of it—is easily fixed or avoided altogether.

To your point though, dry mouth is a factor along with malnutrition, poor hygiene, and meth vapor's acidic nature and heat. Some suggestions: if you're vaporizing meth, I recommend using a small water pipe. The water provides a bit of filtration from the acidity and heat. After each hit, you should drink water to hydrate and wash away any acidity. Finally, set an alarm on your phone to remind yourself to brush at least twice, daily. Also, don't go overboard cleaning, just do your normal brushing and flossing and perhaps swish some Biotene around to combat cottonmouth.


Again, the same thing would apply to stoners if this were accurate. I'm telling you; it's lifestyle habits.

Personally, I wish meth did not eventually induce psychosis in certain individuals as it does. It's not everyone, and given a large enough dose, almost anyone can be thrown into an overexcited delirium. But some people's threshold is regrettably low for this reaction, and it's a shame since those people seem to be the ones who particularly become infatuated with this drug.

@jsinger Re:

I feel you on this. I, too, reject feeling ashamed for using meth. It's not my fault other people suck at using or if they've never used it, they make ignorant assumptions about the drug, and it's hard to combat that. Consequently I have to sometimes be discriminating with whom I share this information. I won't simply use in front of anyone, but that has more to do with not making others feel uncomfortable. I'm otherwise not ashamed and will indeed puff in front of someone with an open mind even if they don't themselves use it.

Im pretty sketchy with who I use around and i can be a bit sloppy and spill my dope if not in my comfort zone. At work I’m decent and at home it’s behind a closed door. Other than my roommates though I disclose my business and the reasoning is I don’t want to have to worry about trying to hide my buzz or appear sober and I figure those who know, know without saying a word. However if I am sleep deprived or have a decent buzz going I’ll get in my head about every and any customer who walks into the store will think I’m high bc im profusely sweating and stand out. And that’s all, that would happen but no matter how many times i remind myself that it’s non-consequential if the sweating remains profuse I’ll be a nervous wreck. The issue is becoming more problematic and it’s most likely due to meth and cognitive decline. I work at a gas station/head shop and we sell bubbles too so some of the customer base are tweakers. I do all the maintenance shit and do not deal with the public but still spend time on the floor.
I say that often as well lol just bc some pussies cant handle their dope doesn’t mean I cant lol. I need to tone that down bc while ive yet to lose my grip on reality, at least severely, its a possibility to still happen with years of chronic abuse as im witnessing my paranoia rise ten fold this year and it is freaking me out a bit

 

[fastandbulbous]

My sister calling me 'Walter White' and still finding it funny!

 

[unodelacosa]

I say that often as well lol just bc some pussies cant handle their dope doesn’t mean I cant lol. I need to tone that down bc while ive yet to lose my grip on reality, at least severely, its a possibility to still happen with years of chronic abuse as im witnessing my paranoia rise ten fold this year and it is freaking me out a bit

Maybe try throwing in some benzodiazepines to calm things down and fight the anxiety? It works for me, anyways…

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Being unable to sleep

 

[jsinger]

Maybe try throwing in some benzodiazepines to calm things down and fight the anxiety? It works for me, anyways…

I would love a benzo and I do take em when they are around and I at one time abused the hell out of em I use them strictly for their purpose .5 mg alprolazam definitely calms my nerves. I don’t know how to obtain them and am diagnosed with social anxiety disorder. I’m a resident of Florida and I work under the table. Medicaid is only available if social security proves im disabled via mental illness.
I spent most my stimulus check on a true mental health evaluation and severe anxiety and bi polar manic depressive were both fairly obvious. It was 700 dollars for the test alone and then would need to see w different doc for prescription meds and mgnt of meds. There are state run avenues and i tried that route and appointment availablity was months long and wanted me to attend co occurring disorders addiction recovery meetings which I’ve done more then my fairshare of meetings and the length of time it would take is insane.
Baker act is quickest avenue to meds and this feeds my anger of society I guess. I was prescribed abilify and Zoloft through cerebral online and my mental health that i know best bc I’ve lived with it. Nearing 40 years but a doctor has to determine my issues and what’s best for me.not me, the fuck do I know? Every meeting with mental health screens anxiety shows an issue and on the right amount instead of looking away from people I think are excessively staring i engaged conversation with
I’m desperate for a benzo and know the right dosage of xanax. Busperin is supposed to be as effective and non addictive and willl try. I’ve done trail n error myself but no degree means I’m not smart enough or what but it frustrates me. I honestly believe this last run wouldn’t have started with correct anxiety medication.

 

[jsinger]

I would love a benzo and I do take em when they are around and I at one time abused the hell out of em I use them strictly for their purpose .5 mg alprolazam definitely calms my nerves. I don’t know how to obtain them and am diagnosed with social anxiety disorder. I’m a resident of Florida and I work under the table. Medicaid is only available if social security proves im disabled via mental illness.
I spent most my stimulus check on a true mental health evaluation and severe anxiety and bi polar manic depressive were both fairly obvious. It was 700 dollars for the test alone and then would need to see w different doc for prescription meds and mgnt of meds. There are state run avenues and i tried that route and appointment availablity was months long and wanted me to attend co occurring disorders addiction recovery meetings which I’ve done more then my fairshare of meetings and the length of time it would take is insane.
Baker act is quickest avenue to meds and this feeds my anger of society I guess. I was prescribed abilify and Zoloft through cerebral online and my mental health that i know best bc I’ve lived with it. Nearing 40 years but a doctor has to determine my issues and what’s best for me.not me, the fuck do I know? Every meeting with mental health screens anxiety shows an issue and on the right amount instead of looking away from people I think are excessively staring i engaged conversation with
I’m desperate for a benzo and know the right dosage of xanax. Busperin is supposed to be as effective and non addictive and willl try. I’ve done trail n error myself but no degree means I’m not smart enough or what but it frustrates me. I honestly believe this last run wouldn’t have started with correct anxiety medication.

Are you prescribed or buy off street?
Lack of universal healthcare really burns my ass and the state run bullshit is that.
I debated baker acting before bc i dont stand a chance of not dying in active addiction if I have to raw dog my issues

 

[unodelacosa]

Are you prescribed or buy off street?

I stocked up on the benzos I like and that suit me best, mostly acquired from RC sources (e.g: Etizolam, Metizolam, Clonazolam, Flubromazolam, Flualprazolam), but I also have pharmies like Xanax, Valium, and Klonopin wherein I know for fact these pills came from legit Big Pharma sources. However, they are not my own personal ℞s; as you know the healthcare system doesn't seem to recognize mental health issues as much as they should.

Florida has pill farms, but of course that's a real roll of the dice with all the Mexican fentanyl that's spread throughout the country and replaced most of the Chinese-born fent and its analogues. That shit is far too risky for my blood, literally and figuratively.

Lack of universal healthcare really burns my ass and the state run bullshit is that.

I'm totally with you on this.

I debated baker acting before bc i dont stand a chance of not dying in active addiction if I have to raw dog my issues

1. You're stronger than you realize, but first try to believe in yourself, as trite as it sounds.
2. There is no ℞ FDA-approved to treat compulsive meth abuse and dependency, unlike with, say, most opiate drugs, which have methadone clinics in the U.S. for example.
3. That said, Wellbutrin (Bupropion) is a new generation, atypical, antidepressant prescribed to control OCD, smoking cessation, compulsive eating disorders, and affect weight loss.
4. It's a meta-chlorinated, N-tert-butyl-cathinone stimulant.
5. Put another way, it's a beta-ketone-amphetamine with a 3-chloro group and an N-tert-butyl substitution.
6. It doesn't affect libido or make you feel sluggish.
7. Personally I find it to be a very useful tool in gently coming off of a daily meth habit.

So then I asked ChatGPT. This is the result I received:

Some medications show promise in reducing methamphetamine use and improving treatment outcomes in clinical studies. These meds are used off-label, which means they are prescribed for a condition other than what they are FDA-approved for. The following are some of the medications that may be used in meth addiction treatment:

• Bupropion: brand name Wellbutrin, it's an antidepressant shown to curb meth abuse in some studies.
• Naltrexone: an opioid antagonist FDA-approved for alcohol and opioid dependence treatment, some studies show it may also be effective reducing meth abuse.
• Modafinil: a wakefulness-promoting medication studied as a potential treatment for meth dependence. It mitigates meth abuse and improves cognitive function in people with methamphetamine addiction.
• Topiramate: anticonvulsant studied for its potential to attenuate methamphetamine abuse. Studies found it improves treatment outcomes and reduces the severity of withdrawal symptoms.

It is important to note that these medications should only be used under the guidance of a healthcare provider or addiction specialist who is familiar with their use in the treatment of substance abuse disorders.

So that checks out with my experiences regarding Bupropion / Wellbutrin. Remember, don't be too hard on yourself. Speak nicely to yourself and figure out what you need to change and what you need to accept. Hope this helps, and good luck

 

[AlsoTapered]

It's interesting that methamphetamine is mostly a US thing. I was given a bag of meth in The Netherlands. I had a line, my GF had a line and we never touched it again. I mean, it made a nice gift for friends but we reached the paranoia/delusion stage in about 1 hour.

Plain dexamphetamine seems better to me.

IS there an amphetamine market in the US.

 

[unodelacosa]

It's interesting that methamphetamine is mostly a US thing.

I understand it's pretty big in Australia and several smaller EU scenes, especially those whose black market has connections w/Asian transnational criminal organizations (TCOs).

I was given a bag of meth in The Netherlands.

Are you 100% certain you had pure, mostly d-isomer methamphetamine hydrochloride? There are many chemical compound nicknames containing "meth" which is short for "methyl" as in CH₃ in organic chemistry nomenclature, a carbon with three hydrogens. Then again, the NL has a great reputation for HQ drogas.

I had a line, my GF had a line and we never touched it again.

How big were the lines? If anything on the scale of a line of, say, cocaine or ketamine, w/zero tolerance to methamphetamine, there's a high chance you both took too much if it was as clean as I suspect. It takes much less meth then many ppl think, and anyway, it's really best when inhaled. Insufflation hurts like a bastard.

I mean, it made a nice gift for friends but we reached the paranoia/delusion stage in about 1 hour.

Definitely took too much. Best to have a benzo on hand to cool your proverbial jets when you want or need to, ya know?

Plain dexamphetamine seems better to me.

It's a better productivity tool, but "smoking" (vaporizing, technically) the right amount of meth is a wonderful, euphoric, aphrodisiac mindblower but almost entirely a recreational stim. It's safe if used responsibly w/harm reduction techniques. Know your limits and do not abuse drugs. Do everyone a big favor and use responsibly or not at all.

IS there an amphetamine market in the US.

Yes, of course, but Big Pharma has the gangster lock down on that market via Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexedrine, et al. D-amphetamine or Dexamphetamine or Dextroamphetamine is a thinly veiled way of saying “d-amphetamine”. The “d” is short for “dextro”—or “dextrorotatory”—referring to the preferred optical isomers of the crystalline form for its psychoactive effects in the CNS whereas the other isomer only affects the peripheral nervous system.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

IS there an amphetamine market in the US.

Prescription amphetamines, such as the ones mentioned in the post above, are very common in the United States.