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If all drugs were legalised

doofhard

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What would happen, would the majority of the country go on a massive bender or would things stay on a par with today.

I don't think legalising some (maybe not all) would change things all that much. People that take drugs take them regardless of the legality of them so would things change?
 
Legalisation can be viewed as distinct from regulation, don't forget that. Just because something is decriminalised or legalised doesn't mean that it will be freely available to all..... ie alcohol. Just a point I thought I'd throw in =)

Also, currently I think you could argue whether illegality or simply the price of drugs is more of an influencing factor. For most of us, I think nothing would change because we take drugs anyway and price is the main thing that prevents us from taking more (c'mon I'm a student!). But for others who are scared from drug experimentation by illegality, legalisation would be great to allow a go!

Yeah I don't think things would change that much, they might gradually, but it wouldn't be party city I think.
 
if all drugs were legalized...then the vested interests who control nations and governmental regimes that are producers of same drugs - such as the CIA, and those groups with stronger and longer strategic plans - would lose their income, as the only revenue would come from taxing the product, and very little of that would trickle down.

ie it'll never happen.

"yes i am paranoid, but am i paranoid enough?" sorry its genetic.
 
I don't know how mainstream society would handle it, cos "drugs are bad". I've seen some of the most rational people I've ever met put up a brick wall in regards to drugs - logic goes on holiday.

So with that in mind, I think it would be interesting to see how many of them would change their mind completly and maybe try something, and also how many of them no longer think of drugs as "bad" (although they might still not do them personally). It would be a good excercise in seeing exactly how receptive some people are to the spoon feeding of information.
 
^^^^^^ Pleonastic

yeah that is exactly what i was getting at. It would be interesting to see who says no to drugs because they rationally believe they are bad, or because 'its just the law'
 
The problem I see with this is that when people first try alcohol, a lot of people overdose many times in their early experiences. This is fine in the case of alcohol because there's a huge threshold between feeling effects, feeling great, feeling sick, and actual serious medical emergency. This safety margin is not present with MOST of the illicit drugs we choose to take, so these drugs would either be self-regulating (too many people dying from accidentally or intentionally taking too much at the wrong time - unacceptable consequence of legalisation), or would have to be tightly controlled in the beginning at least to give people TIME. Time to learn what drugs are, what they do, what happens during/after, when to say know, when to say no, and when to walk away. These are not pieces of information that are freely available in society, and the vast majority of people out there do not currently have access or knowledge of the wonderful Bluelight samizdat that you have.

BigTrancer :)
 
People who have actually spoken to major heroin importers imprisoned in Australia stay that these guys recognise that they would be out of business almost over-night. Therefore, most of the criminogenic aspects of keeping drugs illegal would be nullified. Yet as with most things, changing one part of the equation merely creates problems in another. There would be macro related harms such as eluded to by nanobrain, certain economies would crumble and the harm involved in redistribution of power and wealth could be catastrophic. Then there would be micro related harms eluded to by BT- plus look at statistics indicating the rising abuse of unrestricted drugs such as panadol. As for the need to denounce drugs, well in the absence of state and law enforcement other groups would take their place (just look at the salvation army Brian Watters- what an uninformed tool- get back into bed with little johnny ya creep!). Indeed the first drug to be banned in aus was the smoking of opium directly targeting chinese immigrants (apparently to stop them ensnaring vulnerable white anglo women and seducing them) while the rest of the white population used opium in laudnum quite happily. The use of the CJS in the arena of drugs merely is one of political control rather than aimed at social utilitarianism. It needs to become a public health problem, with the emphasis on harm minimisation and demand reduction, with the law reserved for that part of the 'drugs problem' that actually directly threatens one dominion
 
I will readily admit that current hard drugs are not likely to be legalised anytime in the near future due to health, economic and moral reasons. Although I often wonder if it would be worthwhile to legalise and regulate the sale of cannabis and mescaline.

Both are drugs with (relatively) extensive records of medical research, both have been in use for thousands of years with a clean safety record (cannabis all over the world, mescaline thru cactii used by Native and Central Americans), both have a large margin between a recreational and a harmful dose.

By encouraging the use of these "safer" drugs by commercially providing pure, reliable access it would possibly lessen the reliance on comparitively unsafe street drugs and may even change the publics current negative view on the use of recreational substances.

I welcome critisism of this view because I would honestly like to find out if others think this is feasible.
Perhaps I should give this it's own post as it is partially but not wholly relevant to the broad legalisation topic.
 
we'd have a substantially improved public healthcare system to deal with the fuckups and (marginally) fewer corrupt narcs!
 
mescaline thru cactii used by Native and Central Americans), both have a large margin between a recreational and a harmful dose.

By encouraging the use of these "safer" drugs by commercially providing pure, reliable access it would possibly lessen the reliance on comparitively unsafe street drugs and may even change the publics current negative view on the use of recreational substances.


mmm...with all respect ME_AM_PRODUCT, I very much doubt you'd ever get the general public or drug users in general to accept that an active amount of mescaline is healthier than many synthetics. Particularly when the required 250-400mg makes almost everyone vomit. Now to you or I it may quite reasonable to suggest this is the ultimate spiritual purge, but I somehow can't see all being convinced :\

If you're interested in reading of 1 man's ideal that a variety of intoxicants could/should replace alcohol as society's preferred "Doors in the Wall", pick up (or d/l via sharefile) a copy of Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception". At age 18, this book - or should I say the author - had a profound influence over the way I began to interpret the world and definitely changed how and who I saw as the real heros/revolutionaries of their time. Huxley was certainly one of these.

Doors Of Perception (roughly re-paragraphed from pdf file; phase_dancer)


Excerpts from pages 19-21, written sometime around 1953

Ours is the age, among other things, of the automobile and of rocketing population. Alcohol is incompatible with safety on the roads, and its production, like that of tobacco, condemns to virtual sterility many millions of acres of the most fertile soil. The problems raised by alcohol and tobacco cannot, it goes without saying, be solved by prohibition.

The universal and ever-present urge to selftranscendence is not to be abolished by slamming the currently popular Doors in the Wall. The only reasonable policy is to open other, better doors in the hope of inducing men and women to exchange their old bad habits for new and less harmful ones. Some of these other, better doors will be social and technological in nature, others religious or psychological, others dietetic, educational,athletic. But theneed for frequent chemical vacations from intolerable selfhood and repulsive surroundings will undoubtedly remain.

What is needed is a new drug which will relieve and console our suffering species without doing more harm in the long run than it does good in the short. Such a drug must be potent in minute doses and synthesizable. If it does not possess these qualities, its production, like that of wine, beer, spirits and tobacco will interfere with the raising of indispensable food and fibers. It must be less toxic than opium or cocaine, less likely to produce undesirable social consequences than alcohol or the barbiturates, less inimical to heart and lungs than the tars and nicotine of cigarettes.

And, on the positive side, it should produce changes in consciousness more interesting, more intrinsically valuable than mere sedation or dreaminess, delusions of omnipotence or release from inhibition. To most people, mescalin is almost completely innocuous. Unlike alcohol, it does not drive the taker into the kind of uninhibited action which results in brawls, crimes of violence and traffic accidents. A man under the influence of mescalin quietly minds his own business. Moreover, the business he minds is an experience of the most enlightening kind, which does not have to be paid for (and this is surely important) by a compensatory hangover.

Of the long range consequences of regular mescalin taking we know very little. The Indians who consume peyote buttons do not seem to be physically or morally degraded by the habit. However, the available evidence is still scarce and sketchy.* Although obviously superior to cocaine, opium, alcohol and tobacco, mescalin is not yet the ideal drug. Along with the happily transfigured majority of mescalin takers there is a minority that finds in the drug only hell or purgatory. Moreover, for a drug that is to be used, like alcohol, for general consumption, its effects last for an inconveniently long time. But chemistry and physiology are capable nowadays of practically anything.

If the psychologists and sociologists will define the ideal, the neurologists and pharmacologists can be relied upon to discover the means whereby that ideal can be realized or at least (for perhaps this kind of ideal can never, in the very nature of things, be fully realized) more nearly approached than in the wine-bibbing past, the whiskydrinking, marijuana smoking and barbiturate-swallowing present. The urge to transcend self conscious selfhood is, as I have said, a principal appetite of the soul.

When, for whatever reason, men and women fail to transcend themselves by means of worship, good works and spiritual exercises, they are apt to resort to religion's chemical surrogates-alcohol and "goof pills" in the modern West, alcohol and opium in the East, hashish in the Mohammedan world, alcohol and marijuana in Central America, alcohol and coca in the Andes, alcohol and the barbiturates in the more up-to-date regions of South America. In Poisons Sacres, Ivresses Divines Philippe de Felice has written at length and with a wealth of documentation on the immemorial connection between religion and the taking of drugs. Here, in summary or in direct quotation, are his conclusions. The employment for religious purposes of toxic substances is "extraordinarily widespread.... The practices studied in this volume can be observed in every region of the earth, among primitives no less than among those who have reached a high pitch of civilization.

We are therefore dealing not with exceptional facts, which might justifiably be overlooked, but with a general and, in the widest sense of the word, a human phenomenon, the kind of phenomenon which cannot be disregarded by anyone who is trying to discover what religion is, and what are the deep needs which it must satisfy." Ideally, everyone should be able to find self-transcendence in some form of pure or applied religion. In practice it seems very unlikely that this hoped for consummation will ever be realized. There are, and doubtless there always will be, good churchmen and good churchwomen for whom, unfortunately, piety is not enough. The late G. K. Chesterton, who wrote at least as lyrically of drink as of devotion, may serve as their eloquent spokesman.

The modern churches, with some exceptions among the Protestant denominations, tolerate alcohol; but even the most tolerant have made no attempt to convert the drug to Christianity, or to sacramentalize its use. The pious drinker is forced to take his religion in one compartment, his religionsurrogate in another. And perhaps this is inevitable. Drinking cannot be sacramentalized except in religions which set no store on decorum. The worship of Dionysos or the Celtic god of beer was a loud and disorderly affair. The rites of Christianity are incompatible with even religious drunkenness. This does no harm to the distillers, but is very bad for Christianity. Countless persons desire selftranscendence and would be glad to find it in church. But, alas, "the hungry sheep look up and are not fed." They take part in rites, they listen to sermons, they repeat prayers; but their thirst remains unassuaged. Disappointed, they turn to the bottle. For a time at least and in a kind of way, it works.

Church may still be attended; but it is no more than the Musical Bank of Butler's Erewhon. God may still be acknowledged; but He is God only on the verbal level, only in a strictly Pickwickian sense. The effective object of worship is the bottle and the sole religious experience is that state of uninhibited and belligerent euphoria which follows the ingestion of the third cocktail.

We see, then, that Christianity and alcohol do not and cannot mix. Christianity and mescalin seem to be much more compatible.....
 
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very interesting!

tho i cant ever see such drugs as ecstacy and say meth, ever legalised. and i dont think its such a good idea from the consumers point of view. can u imagine the strict control they would put on pills for example? the doses would be small, and highly priced. there'd more than likely be limits to how much u could get. and strict screening even, to see who is "stable" enough to get them.

i know it sounds silly, but something like this would more than likely happen. and yes, there r benefits, but the pros and cons are very even.
 
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