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Tryptamines Identifying dmt a fumarate or not

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Is there a simple way to tell if a sample of 5-bromo-dmt is fumarate, or acetate,hcl etc.? Sorry I’m not too chemically inclined, but trying. I understand the fumarate would not be best to smoke. It is just yellowish powder but , I’m sure that doesn’t help.
Thanks in advance
 
Are you able to email/contact your source?
If not, you could probably try a melting point test.
 
arrall said:
Are you able to email/contact your source?
If not, you could probably try a melting point test.
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Thanks for the reply

I am not able to contact the original source. So im
On my own. I was suggested first to see if it dissolves in water. And if it does, it’s a salt(but what kind would not be known). If it does not dissolve easily in water, then I should see if acetone dissolves it and if that is the case then it would be freebase?

My main concern is whether it is fumarate as I have been reading if it IS fumarate, I should basify it with soda. I know how to do that last part lol.

How would I conduct the melting point test?

I will be seeing if it is water soluble first, just havnt had the chance to try yet. Maybe this afternoon though

So, im kind of wondering if I should just go ahead and heat with some baking soda if
It dissolves in water, and if it does not dissolve in water, then probably just let it be. I don’t think any other forms are a problem
For smoking it (but I could be wrong)
 
If it dissolves in water, the highest likelihood would be DMT Fumarate though no one here can tell you for sure. For whatever reason, the tryptamines have a hard time forming Hydrochlorides (HCL), so they are rare, and I've never seen any sulfates either. I have made the acetate, and it is actually an oil that is very difficult to work with, so we can usually rule that out. DMT freebase is what is usually* supplied. It has a very low melting point, generally from 47-64c depending on the polymorph.

According to https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/DMT_Fumarate the melting point of the fumarate is 152c.
I can't even find a reliable source of the melting point for the HCL so that alone tells me something.

Because there is such a large different in melting point from the fumarate and the fb, a hobbyist could determine the difference. For a low tech melting point, you could put some incombustible material over a flame ( i would vote ceramic but you could use metal as well if you give it time to thermally equalize) then put a thermometer up to the surface of that material. When it is 75 throw a few mg on the surface and see if it melts. If it does, you probably have the freebase.... If it doesn't, you probably have a salt.

If so, continue heating the material while holding the thermometer to the surface and record what temperature it does melt...

It doesn't have the precise control/accuracy of scientific meltpoints but because the range is very different, you can use use a less sophisticated system to differentiate between the 2.

Hopefully this helps
 
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